45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 14)

[paua]

borcy said:

If trump is found guilty what's the likely range of punishment?

Hanged, drawn & quartered? ( should be for the document theft/ sale to foreign players)

[Kowalski655]

Byker28i said:

About to break into a song and dance number?

[Byker28i]

paua said:

borcy said:

If trump is found guilty what's the likely range of punishment?

Hanged, drawn & quartered? ( should be for the document theft/ sale to foreign players)

Cohen got three years for his part, of which trump was a unindicted co-consoirator until Barr killed trumps obstruction investigation and any federal charges against him.

Weisselberg coundn't testify because the DOJ under Barr gave him immunity to testify against Cohen, weaponsiation by trump/Barr of the DOJ to punish Cohen for his lack of loyalty, which had the knock on he couldn't testify in this case
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/politics/all...


Should add remember that trump/Barr got Cohen sent back to prison to try to stop him writing his book.

[Bonefish Blues]

Kowalski655 said:

Byker28i said:

About to break into a song and dance number?

Great deals on your next car.

[Byker28i]

Nebraska GOP primary, trump still lost 17.2% to Haley
https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/...

In Maryland lost almost 20%
https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/...

9.4% to Haley in West Virginia
https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/...

[borcy]

Byker28i said:

paua said:

borcy said:

If trump is found guilty what's the likely range of punishment?

Hanged, drawn & quartered? ( should be for the document theft/ sale to foreign players)

Cohen got three years for his part, of which trump was a unindicted co-consoirator until Barr killed trumps obstruction investigation and any federal charges against him.

Weisselberg coundn't testify because the DOJ under Barr gave him immunity to testify against Cohen, weaponsiation by trump/Barr of the DOJ to punish Cohen for his lack of loyalty, which had the knock on he couldn't testify in this case
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/politics/all...


Should add remember that trump/Barr got Cohen sent back to prison to try to stop him writing his book.

Prison sentence or a fine in this case?

[Byker28i]

borcy said:

Byker28i said:

paua said:

borcy said:

If trump is found guilty what's the likely range of punishment?

Hanged, drawn & quartered? ( should be for the document theft/ sale to foreign players)

Cohen got three years for his part, of which trump was a unindicted co-consoirator until Barr killed trumps obstruction investigation and any federal charges against him.

Weisselberg coundn't testify because the DOJ under Barr gave him immunity to testify against Cohen, weaponsiation by trump/Barr of the DOJ to punish Cohen for his lack of loyalty, which had the knock on he couldn't testify in this case
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/politics/all...


Should add remember that trump/Barr got Cohen sent back to prison to try to stop him writing his book.

Prison sentence or a fine in this case?

My guess is prison sentence and fine, suspended pending appeal. Cohen got three years, trump 'should' get more as it was at his direction, for his benefit...

I believe each charge can have a $5k fine, with a possible 3x multiplier if there was a financial gain (not in this case - although AMI undeclared campaign benefit?), plus a year in jail. As with Cohen, unusual to give first offenders the full amount, but this is trumps third fraud trial...

However trump will stall, appeal for years etc.

[Crafty_]

There is no chance that even if the jury are unanimous in a guilty verdict that a presidential candidate will get a custodial sentence. I just do not see it happening for the same reasons he hasn't been locked up for breaching gag orders in this case and others when any other person would have been.

Despite the evidence which appears to be pretty damming from reports, I suspect the jury won't agree.

[barryrs]

Crafty_ said:

There is no chance that even if the jury are unanimous in a guilty verdict that a presidential candidate will get a custodial sentence. I just do not see it happening for the same reasons he hasn't been locked up for breaching gag orders in this case and others when any other person would have been.

Despite the evidence which appears to be pretty damming from reports, I suspect the jury won't agree.

I'm of the view that he will be found guilty of a misdemeanour and not a felony, which he will then sell as being exonerated.

Regardless I personally don't think he will win the presidency.

[Hustle_]

Bonefish Blues said:

Kowalski655 said:

Byker28i said:

About to break into a song and dance number?

Great deals on your next car.

Can I speak to you about our lord and saviour Donald Trump?

[DanL]

Byker28i said:

Quite the piece by AP News about Speaker Johnson speaking out in support of trump outside the court

"It was a remarkable moment in modern American politics: The House speaker turning his Republican Party against the federal and state legal systems that are foundational to the U.S. government and a cornerstone of democracy."

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-speaker-mi...


Claims it was his own idea to go
https://twitter.com/i/status/1790519288157401457

It’s this that I find most troubling, to be honest. Trump claiming it’s all nonsense is one thing, but an entire political party actively undermining the legal system is another thing entirely.

[Prolex-UK]

DanL said:

Byker28i said:

Quite the piece by AP News about Speaker Johnson speaking out in support of trump outside the court

"It was a remarkable moment in modern American politics: The House speaker turning his Republican Party against the federal and state legal systems that are foundational to the U.S. government and a cornerstone of democracy."

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-speaker-mi...


Claims it was his own idea to go
https://twitter.com/i/status/1790519288157401457

It’s this that I find most troubling, to be honest. Trump claiming it’s all nonsense is one thing, but an entire political party actively undermining the legal system is another thing entirely.

Democrats need to get message across to the undecided voters that if Trump gets his way it may be the last election they have.

[captain_cynic]

Prolex-UK said:

Democrats need to get message across to the undecided voters that if Trump gets his way it may be the last election they have.

I'm pretty sure thats their intent from what I've seen in the last few months however campaigning hasn't even really begun yet.

The Dems also have to be careful not to rely too much on Trumps failings, they also need to promote why they're the party of economic strength as that is what a lot of Americans vote on.

[Astacus]

Kowalski655 said:

Byker28i said:

About to break into a song and dance number?

Yeah maybe “tomorrow belongs to me”

[Chimune]

Bonefish Blues said:

Kowalski655 said:

Byker28i said:

About to break into a song and dance number?

Great deals on your next car.

[ScotHill]

Astacus said:

Kowalski655 said:

Byker28i said:

About to break into a song and dance number?

Yeah maybe “tomorrow belongs to me”

"We could've been anything that we wanted to be;
But don't it make your heart glad -
That we decided, a fact we take pride in,
We became the best at being bad."

[Mortarboard]

Byker28i said:

Oh Eric, we heard testimony that you were directly involved in the scheme, knew all about it, at a time you were meant to be running the company, not Daddy

Still keep pushing Daddy's talking point like his other lackeys


Notice how Don Jnr isn't trusted anywhere near the camera?

Oh dear indeed.

The "official" story on the "definitely not a maga radio station" I listen to for the shiz is that:
- Cohen arranged an nda, which is a typical legal service/work
- trump paid these legal services as a business expense
- marked them as legal expenses, so all kosher, honest guv

Apparently this is the view of the legal expert presenter.

(Problem is, of course, that it was for the campaign's benefit, not the trump business'. Making it a campaign expense not recorded as such. Hiding such payments is illegal, and when done to influence an election, raises from misdemeanor to felony)

Post-truth revisionism isn't going to count in these court cases.

M.

[Byker28i]

captain_cynic said:

Prolex-UK said:

Democrats need to get message across to the undecided voters that if Trump gets his way it may be the last election they have.

I'm pretty sure thats their intent from what I've seen in the last few months however campaigning hasn't even really begun yet.

The Dems also have to be careful not to rely too much on Trumps failings, they also need to promote why they're the party of economic strength as that is what a lot of Americans vote on.

Dems have just done a $130m ad buy, to start coming soon. trump hasn't bought any yet
But as we've been saying, Dems need to start pushing the message especially about trumps tax cuts for the rich, his quid pro quo selling US policy to the companies for personal profit...

[borcy]

Byker28i said:

borcy said:

Byker28i said:

paua said:

borcy said:

If trump is found guilty what's the likely range of punishment?

Hanged, drawn & quartered? ( should be for the document theft/ sale to foreign players)

Cohen got three years for his part, of which trump was a unindicted co-consoirator until Barr killed trumps obstruction investigation and any federal charges against him.

Weisselberg coundn't testify because the DOJ under Barr gave him immunity to testify against Cohen, weaponsiation by trump/Barr of the DOJ to punish Cohen for his lack of loyalty, which had the knock on he couldn't testify in this case
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/us/politics/all...


Should add remember that trump/Barr got Cohen sent back to prison to try to stop him writing his book.

Prison sentence or a fine in this case?

My guess is prison sentence and fine, suspended pending appeal. Cohen got three years, trump 'should' get more as it was at his direction, for his benefit...

I believe each charge can have a $5k fine, with a possible 3x multiplier if there was a financial gain (not in this case - although AMI undeclared campaign benefit?), plus a year in jail. As with Cohen, unusual to give first offenders the full amount, but this is trumps third fraud trial...

However trump will stall, appeal for years etc.

I'd guess a fine. I can't see him being sent to prison. If he is found guilty and fined, does that move the needle much with swing voters?

[Byker28i]

Morning Joe has ccused NYT of pushling a poll thats heavily skewed in trumps favour

According to Scarborough, he believes the Times has been pushing sketchy polls showing trump leading because it allows them to get multiple stories out them to drive the news cycle.

"And yes, the New York Times, when they have all of these experts questioning the methodology, when they are calling 20 percent of the people likely voters who had never voted before or didn't vote in the last two primaries or never voted before, when they are even quoting people who say they are switching their vote from Joe Biden who have never voted before? I'm sorry! The New York Times has to know what they are doing! "