Y'know how Islam gets called medieval?
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Zaxxon said:
So the 9 yr old, the mother and the doctors now get to live their lives without this bulls
t, guilt ridden, vile pox of a religion?
Sounds like a blessing
The girl wasn't excommunicated. Only the adults that made the decision to abort. Otherwise they should have left the pregnancy alone, so that all 3 die, then that is Gods will not mans intervention.t, guilt ridden, vile pox of a religion?Sounds like a blessing
Normal Catholic service resumes.
Zaxxon said:
So the 9 yr old, the mother and the doctors now get to live their lives without this bullst, guilt ridden, vile pox of a religion?
Sounds like a blessing
It wouldn't suprise me none if the Mother still wanted to be part of the Church, such is the power it holds over people.t, guilt ridden, vile pox of a religion?Sounds like a blessing
If you were part of any other group or organisation tied to such much hate, bigotry and general retardation that put the 'club' first over a 9 year old rape victims life, you might consider resigning in protest. Sadly, it doesn't work like that in the case of religion.
My wife's grandmother came here from Northern Ireland where she was brought up catholic and she carried on her faith. The man she married was in the army and did some training in Ireland and that's where they met. He was catholic as well but wasn't really practising.
She went to mass 3-4 times a week and gave any spare money (which was not a lot)to the church. Her husband was a drunken, lecherous sod who had a number of women in the area and he would regularly beat his wife. He once beat my MiL when she was a teenager because she had seen him with one of his women.
They finally divorced in the 60's sometime and as such she was told she was no longer welcome at her local church, he was still welcomed however as she had instigated the divorce.
My mothers parents (named Joseph and Mary) were also regular catholic church goers and he was another drunken arse that would beat his wife and children on a regular basis. He would come home pissed as a newt in the early hours of Sunday morning, rape his wife and beat her if she protested. The kids knew to keep quite because if they tried to find out why their mother was crying so loudly they would be beaten as well.
The next morning Mary would try her best to see to her 9 kids while Joseph would be in church complaining to anyone who would listen about his wayward wife who couldn't be bothered to attend mass.
Mary stuck with him but hardly left the house, he was seen as an upstanding member of the church community who very notably stuck by his slovenly wife.
I'm not religious at all, but the problem in my mind is not religion itself, I know some find great peace and comfort in it - my Mother was one, but the bigoted sometime fundamentals that administer it.
She went to mass 3-4 times a week and gave any spare money (which was not a lot)to the church. Her husband was a drunken, lecherous sod who had a number of women in the area and he would regularly beat his wife. He once beat my MiL when she was a teenager because she had seen him with one of his women.
They finally divorced in the 60's sometime and as such she was told she was no longer welcome at her local church, he was still welcomed however as she had instigated the divorce.
My mothers parents (named Joseph and Mary) were also regular catholic church goers and he was another drunken arse that would beat his wife and children on a regular basis. He would come home pissed as a newt in the early hours of Sunday morning, rape his wife and beat her if she protested. The kids knew to keep quite because if they tried to find out why their mother was crying so loudly they would be beaten as well.
The next morning Mary would try her best to see to her 9 kids while Joseph would be in church complaining to anyone who would listen about his wayward wife who couldn't be bothered to attend mass.
Mary stuck with him but hardly left the house, he was seen as an upstanding member of the church community who very notably stuck by his slovenly wife.
I'm not religious at all, but the problem in my mind is not religion itself, I know some find great peace and comfort in it - my Mother was one, but the bigoted sometime fundamentals that administer it.
slow_poke said:
Pothole said:
Why is this story in that paper and on this site now? It is at least 3 years old.
You've been here long enough to know that Europhobia, despising Labour and loathing Catholicism are pretty much par for the course.DieselGriff said:
My wife's grandmother came here from Northern Ireland where she was brought up catholic and she carried on her faith. The man she married was in the army and did some training in Ireland and that's where they met. He was catholic as well but wasn't really practising.
She went to mass 3-4 times a week and gave any spare money (which was not a lot)to the church. Her husband was a drunken, lecherous sod who had a number of women in the area and he would regularly beat his wife. He once beat my MiL when she was a teenager because she had seen him with one of his women.
They finally divorced in the 60's sometime and as such she was told she was no longer welcome at her local church, he was still welcomed however as she had instigated the divorce.
My mothers parents (named Joseph and Mary) were also regular catholic church goers and he was another drunken arse that would beat his wife and children on a regular basis. He would come home pissed as a newt in the early hours of Sunday morning, rape his wife and beat her if she protested. The kids knew to keep quite because if they tried to find out why their mother was crying so loudly they would be beaten as well.
The next morning Mary would try her best to see to her 9 kids while Joseph would be in church complaining to anyone who would listen about his wayward wife who couldn't be bothered to attend mass.
Mary stuck with him but hardly left the house, he was seen as an upstanding member of the church community who very notably stuck by his slovenly wife.
I'm not religious at all, but the problem in my mind is not religion itself, I know some find great peace and comfort in it - my Mother was one, but the bigoted sometime fundamentals that administer it.
My paternal granmother was taken from her mother at around 6 years with her twin brother, put into a nun-run workhouse where the lad died within 24 hours after being locked in a cupboard. She was physically abused and ran away at the age of 14 or so, her actual age was not known. She 'married' a chap in Liverpool and had 18 children (those who did not survive their 1st birthday were not counted). Her hubby was seriously injured in WWI, losing one lung and part of another, and from what I've gathered could not leave the house. He certainly could not walk up stairs. So she had to provide for all her kids.She went to mass 3-4 times a week and gave any spare money (which was not a lot)to the church. Her husband was a drunken, lecherous sod who had a number of women in the area and he would regularly beat his wife. He once beat my MiL when she was a teenager because she had seen him with one of his women.
They finally divorced in the 60's sometime and as such she was told she was no longer welcome at her local church, he was still welcomed however as she had instigated the divorce.
My mothers parents (named Joseph and Mary) were also regular catholic church goers and he was another drunken arse that would beat his wife and children on a regular basis. He would come home pissed as a newt in the early hours of Sunday morning, rape his wife and beat her if she protested. The kids knew to keep quite because if they tried to find out why their mother was crying so loudly they would be beaten as well.
The next morning Mary would try her best to see to her 9 kids while Joseph would be in church complaining to anyone who would listen about his wayward wife who couldn't be bothered to attend mass.
Mary stuck with him but hardly left the house, he was seen as an upstanding member of the church community who very notably stuck by his slovenly wife.
I'm not religious at all, but the problem in my mind is not religion itself, I know some find great peace and comfort in it - my Mother was one, but the bigoted sometime fundamentals that administer it.
She kept the fact that her mother had not married her father a secret from her kids as she was ashamed. She had been told so many times that she was evil because of her illegitimacy that she believed it.
Everyone involved in long dead and one can't hate the institution for past acts of barbarism. However with stories such as this showing how little it has changed one should bring up the past.
There are so many actions of the church in this which are immoral: blaming the child (although generously not excommunicating her), the parents and the doctors for moral decisions is bad enough but then allowing the child's abuser to remain in the institution despite his grave crimes: what can one say?
Sinaed O'Conner was threatened with excommunication for tearing up a photograph. The rampant child abusing priests, whose actions generated the heinous photograph tearing up, was punished by being moved. O'Connor has/had, it would appear, severe mental problems. The priests were meerely self indulgent.
It's a mixed up church.
The church has been left behind when it comes to morals. They seem to regard the epitome of good to be following a set of guidelines whereas this doctor, seemingly a 'good catholic', made a decision based on his morals. He did good.
All churches should be obliged to conform to the moral standards of the day. If I can't call a person fat because it is considered abusive then they should not be allowed to take any form of action against someone who has made a difficult decision based on morals.
Islam is medieval in many ways. One only has to look at their treatment of women. But the catholic church is every bit as bad.
This is an old story but one which should be repeated until the church confesses that it was in error. Or, in other words, for ever.
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