Birmingham Council - "The end of services as we know it"
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-20...
Anyone got any info on how this council grew under ZanuNuLabia? One rather suspects this is merely a case of the profligacy of the Brown years being wound back to the norm.
Anyone got any info on how this council grew under ZanuNuLabia? One rather suspects this is merely a case of the profligacy of the Brown years being wound back to the norm.
hornetrider said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-20...
Anyone got any info on how this council grew under ZanuNuLabia? One rather suspects this is merely a case of the profligacy of the Brown years being wound back to the norm.
I don't live there any more, being now in thrall to Walsall for my sins but as I understand it Brum has been recently run by a Con-Lib coalition until the recent local elections.Anyone got any info on how this council grew under ZanuNuLabia? One rather suspects this is merely a case of the profligacy of the Brown years being wound back to the norm.
I think they were doing OK, controlling budget restraints and upsetting some LGA workers (nudgenudge) until recently when the lefty backlash to CMD and Littlemindcleggy got underway.
Possibly fuelled by the predominance of LGA Employees and perhaps ethnically inspired voting?
Any road up, as we Brummies say, the result was a guaranteed "Gotcha-Cameron-you-dratsab" undermining the previous lot's work.
Edited by perdu on Tuesday 23 October 23:32
EvoraEvora said:
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tty Council employs as of now, wait for it 25 FULL TIME Union conveners, at £50k per annum salary - I could make an immediate £1.25million saving here? - staggering, absolutely staggering.
No They would get rid of street cleaners or some other low paid workerstty Council employs as of now, wait for it 25 FULL TIME Union conveners, at £50k per annum salary - I could make an immediate £1.25million saving here? - staggering, absolutely staggering.first...
My (Labour) council were proud of the fact they didn't have any redundancies. Instead what they did was identify posts that were no longer needed, then move those staff into something called the "Switch Team". This was the resulting pool of staff without porfolios, who were then given a chance to go for other posts that were coming up due to natural wasteage over a period of time. IIRC there were over 300 members of staff on the switch team at one point, costing around £8M per year.
They have very recently offered substantial cash settlements for people to leave the council altogther, but still have not had any redundancies as such. Nobody has brought up that £8m has to be paid for with taxes or borrowing money. I didn't realise that our council was being ran as a charity to keep people in work when their jobs had been identified as no longer necessary, just so the labour council can proudly proclaim they have not had any redundancies.
They have very recently offered substantial cash settlements for people to leave the council altogther, but still have not had any redundancies as such. Nobody has brought up that £8m has to be paid for with taxes or borrowing money. I didn't realise that our council was being ran as a charity to keep people in work when their jobs had been identified as no longer necessary, just so the labour council can proudly proclaim they have not had any redundancies.
Whether or not too high a proportion of Birmingham works for the council or the aforementioned Labour council keeps people in work whose jobs aren't required isn't the whole story. If you sack these people they'll be out of work, completely. I don't think anybody here wants us to put more people on the unemployed scrapheap.
hornetrider said:
Oh dear.
Are you saying you do want to put more people on the unemployed scrapheap?People on here get upset when a car factory closes and loses jobs, but if a public sector worker gets laid off you rejoice in glee. Irrespective of where either of them worked, the end result is the same to that person; they don't have a job anymore.
It's a shame, of course but what happens in business when two big company's merge? The management parts and usually a lot of other parts get joined and there are two people doing the job of one so there are redundancies.
It's a harsh reality but one that councils are going to have to suck up.
Sympathy? When it's happening in the private sector regularly? None.
Oh, and they are only 'out of work, completely' until they find another job. Like everyone else.
It's a harsh reality but one that councils are going to have to suck up.
Sympathy? When it's happening in the private sector regularly? None.
Oh, and they are only 'out of work, completely' until they find another job. Like everyone else.
Edited by Oilchange on Wednesday 24th October 00:28
You talk about the public sector having to suck it up, but it'll be the lower paid 'workers on the ground' who will suffer the most. Council Chief Executives won't have to suck it up, those in charge of employing more people than their Council can afford in the first place won't have to suck it up. Those in Government who over the years slimmed down the private sector and expanded the public sector won't have to suck it up. I have the sympathy on the strength that the private sector is unwilling or unable to make up the ground of the public sector job losses, so those people will most likely be unemployed for a while. We'll save x amount from the Councils budget to pay it out in Social Security instead and I'm not sure that's productive.
martin84 said:
those in charge of employing more people than their Council can afford in the first place won't have to suck it up.
So you agree they can't afford to run such a bloated organisation. Ergo non-essential jobs will have to go and those workers will need to find gainful employment elsewhere.No biggie.
'It's st for us so I want it to be st for them' isn't going to get us anywhere but bankrupt as a country on many levels, not just financially. This 'us vs them' of the private and public sector mentality which exists on here is depressing to say the least.
I don't like seeing people lose their jobs, irrespective of what sector they were in. When it's their own fault that's fine, but when it's the fault of others then it's not. The public sector expanded by 2 million since 1997, the Government actively encouraged public sector employment and offered many of the safeguards and guarantees which private sector employment doesn't. It's not the workers fault the Government went out of it's way to slim down the private sector, it's not like they could've got a job which didn't exist.
t for us so I want it to be st for them' isn't going to get us anywhere but bankrupt as a country on many levels, not just financially. This 'us vs them' of the private and public sector mentality which exists on here is depressing to say the least.I don't like seeing people lose their jobs, irrespective of what sector they were in. When it's their own fault that's fine, but when it's the fault of others then it's not. The public sector expanded by 2 million since 1997, the Government actively encouraged public sector employment and offered many of the safeguards and guarantees which private sector employment doesn't. It's not the workers fault the Government went out of it's way to slim down the private sector, it's not like they could've got a job which didn't exist.
Mojoo said:
I dont think anyone really cares about the private sector
Those people don't matter
I'm not sure where you've got your 'everybody hates me' complex from, but you carry on.Those people don't matter
hornetrider said:
So you agree they can't afford to run such a bloated organisation. Ergo non-essential jobs will have to go and those workers will need to find gainful employment elsewhere.
No biggie.
It's easy for you to say it's no biggie when you're in gainful employment. Would you be saying that if you'd just got the sack and added to the monumentally huge unemployment scrapheap, fighting it out with 50-100 candidates for every job and having to send 100 applications to even get 5 responses? That's the reality for most out there at the moment, so that's why I won't join PH's celebration of sackings. I've been there when the sNo biggie.
t first hit the fan a few years ago and it was beyond horrid, so unlike you I don't wish it on others.Only on PH does the majority think unemployment is a good thing.
Define contribute? Do you want the public sector workers to switch to the private sector? In that case you'll run into problems, because the unemployed outnumber vacancies by roughly 4 to 1 nationally, and by a hell of a lot more than that in certain regions. How do people get jobs which don't exist? Everyone here seems to think if we sack everybody then we solve the problem, well you need to answer exactly how that works and how people can obtain jobs which don't exist before asking me for my answer. You need to come up with an answer before you can ask me for 'another' one.
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