Golden Dawn Neo-Nazi party in Greece
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Did anyone watch this on Channel 4 News the other night? Shocking stuff, could not believe hoe racist these people were,and so openely. It made for quite uncomfortable viewing.
These parties are gaining seats throughout Europe- by effectively the same way as Hitler did back in the 1930's by blaming race for the problems in our economy.
What is our world coming to? I am genuinely getting worried about the future!
Link to documentary here: http://www.channel4.com/news/golden-dawn-film-gree...
These parties are gaining seats throughout Europe- by effectively the same way as Hitler did back in the 1930's by blaming race for the problems in our economy.
What is our world coming to? I am genuinely getting worried about the future!
Link to documentary here: http://www.channel4.com/news/golden-dawn-film-gree...
I think it's a bit of a leap to suggest that we'll see a return of the Third Reich.
Greece has a voting system designed to allow minorities a voice. They have parties in parliament from right across the spectrum, and if you are going to have a proportional voting system you have to be prepared to hear some quite unsavoury views from the extremes.
Greece has a voting system designed to allow minorities a voice. They have parties in parliament from right across the spectrum, and if you are going to have a proportional voting system you have to be prepared to hear some quite unsavoury views from the extremes.
mattnunn said:
Well if they get an MEP elected you can bet the Ukippers will probably be sharing lobby space and croissants with them.
You just can't help yourself, can you ?If they get an MEP, they may well at least ask what the hell the EU has done to their country to keep the Euro project alive.
Mr_B said:
If they get an MEP, they may well at least ask what the hell the EU has done to their country to keep the Euro project alive.
Indeed. Not sure why UKIP is even being mentioned in the same sentence as these neo-Nazi thugs, and the mess Greece finds itself in is partly the result of Eurocrat Socialists who delivered false prosperity based on easy credit.mattnunn said:
Well if they get an MEP elected you can bet the Ukippers will probably be sharing lobby space and croissants with them.
Golden Dawn don't have any MEPs, but they align themselves with the European National Front. UKIP are members of Europe of Freedom and Democracy.
Coincidentally, the European National Front have no seats at present, so I'm not sure where the idea of a strong racist sentiment sweeping across the EU is coming from.
Leicesterdave said:
Did anyone watch this on Channel 4 News the other night? Shocking stuff, could not believe hoe racist these people were,and so openely. It made for quite uncomfortable viewing.
These parties are gaining seats throughout Europe- by effectively the same way as Hitler did back in the 1930's by blaming race for the problems in our economy.
What is our world coming to? I am genuinely getting worried about the future!
Link to documentary here: http://www.channel4.com/news/golden-dawn-film-gree...
If you allow unchecked immigration into a country which cannot support its own people, let alone the immigrants, you will get war.These parties are gaining seats throughout Europe- by effectively the same way as Hitler did back in the 1930's by blaming race for the problems in our economy.
What is our world coming to? I am genuinely getting worried about the future!
Link to documentary here: http://www.channel4.com/news/golden-dawn-film-gree...
MX7 said:
mattnunn said:
Well if they get an MEP elected you can bet the Ukippers will probably be sharing lobby space and croissants with them.
Golden Dawn don't have any MEPs, but they align themselves with the European National Front. UKIP are members of Europe of Freedom and Democracy.
The party takes a tough stance on crime, immigration, especially from Muslim countries, and terrorism. It supports the promotion of immigration from non-Muslim countries in order to protect the "Christian identity" of Italy and Europe, which, according to party officials, should be based on "Judeo-Christian heritage".[86][89] Because of this, the party has been labeled as "xenophobic"[115][116] and "anti-immigrant".
The "True Finns" party MEP is also in the grouping with UKIP, they are undoubtly NAZIs in all but name, okay they may not have the nut jobs which the 3rd Reich had but they are National Sociallists.
The Danish people's party (I can categorically tell you because I've lived there) are a pretty nasty bunch of racists.
The list goes on... The current MEPs Greece has on the right from the Popular Orthodox Rally aren't exactly welcoming of foreigners and taught this Golden Shower lot everything they know.
The only lunatic racist Farage won't talk to is Andreas Mölzer and that's only because he's a better politician than Farage is.
mattnunn said:
As are Lega Nord (Berlesconi's boys) of whom the wiki says....
The party takes a tough stance on crime, immigration, especially from Muslim countries, and terrorism. It supports the promotion of immigration from non-Muslim countries in order to protect the "Christian identity" of Italy and Europe, which, according to party officials, should be based on "Judeo-Christian heritage".[86][89] Because of this, the party has been labeled as "xenophobic"[115][116] and "anti-immigrant".
The "True Finns" party MEP is also in the grouping with UKIP, they are undoubtly NAZIs in all but name, okay they may not have the nut jobs which the 3rd Reich had but they are National Sociallists.
The Danish people's party (I can categorically tell you because I've lived there) are a pretty nasty bunch of racists.
The list goes on... The current MEPs Greece has on the right from the Popular Orthodox Rally aren't exactly welcoming of foreigners and taught this Golden Shower lot everything they know.
The only lunatic racist Farage won't talk to is Andreas Mölzer and that's only because he's a better politician than Farage is.
As you support PETA I thought you might find this interesting...The party takes a tough stance on crime, immigration, especially from Muslim countries, and terrorism. It supports the promotion of immigration from non-Muslim countries in order to protect the "Christian identity" of Italy and Europe, which, according to party officials, should be based on "Judeo-Christian heritage".[86][89] Because of this, the party has been labeled as "xenophobic"[115][116] and "anti-immigrant".
The "True Finns" party MEP is also in the grouping with UKIP, they are undoubtly NAZIs in all but name, okay they may not have the nut jobs which the 3rd Reich had but they are National Sociallists.
The Danish people's party (I can categorically tell you because I've lived there) are a pretty nasty bunch of racists.
The list goes on... The current MEPs Greece has on the right from the Popular Orthodox Rally aren't exactly welcoming of foreigners and taught this Golden Shower lot everything they know.
The only lunatic racist Farage won't talk to is Andreas Mölzer and that's only because he's a better politician than Farage is.
1) PETA president and co-founder Ingrid Newkirk has described her group's overall goal as "total animal liberation." This means no meat, no milk, no zoos, no circuses, no wool, no leather, no hunting, no fishing, and no pets (not even seeing-eye dogs). PETA is also against all medical research that requires the use of animals.
2) Despite its constant moralizing about the "unethical" treatment of animals by restaurant owners, grocers, farmers, scientists, anglers, and countless other Americans, PETA has killed over 14,400 dogs and cats at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. During 2005, PETA put to death over 90 percent of the animals it collected from members of the public.
3) PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified "domestic terrorist" group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing recommendation, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. And PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that "blowing stuff up and smashing windows" is "a great way to bring about animal liberation."
4) PETA activists regularly target children as young as six years old with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda, often waiting outside their schools to intercept them as they walk to and from class-without notifying parents. One piece of kid-targeted PETA literature tells small children: "Your Mommy Kills Animals!" PETA brags that its messages reach over 2 million children every year, including thousands reached by e-mail without the permission of their parents. One PETA vice president told the Fox News Channel's audience: "Our campaigns are always geared towards children, and they always will be."
5) PETA has used a related organization, the PETA Foundation, to fund the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), a deceptive animal rights group that promotes itself as an unbiased source of medical and nutritional information. PCRM's president also serves as president of the PETA Foundation.
6) PETA runs campaigns seemingly calculated to offend religious believers. One entire PETA website is devoted to the claim-despite ample evidence to the contrary-that Jesus Christ was a vegetarian. PETA holds protests at houses of worship, even suing one church that tried to protect its members from Sunday-morning harassment. Its billboards taunt Christians with the message that hogs "died for their sins." PETA insists, contrary to centuries of rabbinical teaching, that the Jewish ritual of kosher slaughter shouldn't be allowed. And its infamous "Holocaust on Your Plate" campaign crassly compares the Jewish victims of Nazi genocide with farm animals.
7) PETA has repeatedly attacked research foundations like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, because they support animal-based research that might uncover cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases. PETA president Ingrid Newkirk has said that "even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we would be against it."
mattnunn said:
MX7 said:
mattnunn said:
Well if they get an MEP elected you can bet the Ukippers will probably be sharing lobby space and croissants with them.
Golden Dawn don't have any MEPs, but they align themselves with the European National Front. UKIP are members of Europe of Freedom and Democracy.
The party takes a tough stance on crime, immigration, especially from Muslim countries, and terrorism. It supports the promotion of immigration from non-Muslim countries in order to protect the "Christian identity" of Italy and Europe, which, according to party officials, should be based on "Judeo-Christian heritage".[86][89] Because of this, the party has been labeled as "xenophobic"[115][116] and "anti-immigrant".
The "True Finns" party MEP is also in the grouping with UKIP, they are undoubtly NAZIs in all but name, okay they may not have the nut jobs which the 3rd Reich had but they are National Sociallists.
The Danish people's party (I can categorically tell you because I've lived there) are a pretty nasty bunch of racists.
The list goes on... The current MEPs Greece has on the right from the Popular Orthodox Rally aren't exactly welcoming of foreigners and taught this Golden Shower lot everything they know.
The only lunatic racist Farage won't talk to is Andreas Mölzer and that's only because he's a better politician than Farage is.
Alas, Golden Dawn and EDL are not very far apart.
Second, if you're too lazy to type in your own argument, you should at least credit the source. As it is, you've C-n-P-ed reactionary arguments phrased for rabble-rousing. These are not your own thoughts; they are designed for the readers of USA Today. This inability to put forward your own cogent argument has the effect of undermining the point you are trying to make.
Finally, a special request: please don't apply your logic to this thread's subject matter. Ta.
BliarOut said:
As you support PETA I thought you might find this interesting...
1) PETA president and co-founder Ingrid Newkirk has described her group's overall goal as "total animal liberation." This means no meat, no milk, no zoos, no circuses, no wool, no leather, no hunting, no fishing, and no pets (not even seeing-eye dogs). PETA is also against all medical research that requires the use of animals.
2) Despite its constant moralizing about the "unethical" treatment of animals by restaurant owners, grocers, farmers, scientists, anglers, and countless other Americans, PETA has killed over 14,400 dogs and cats at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. During 2005, PETA put to death over 90 percent of the animals it collected from members of the public.
3) PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified "domestic terrorist" group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing recommendation, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. And PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that "blowing stuff up and smashing windows" is "a great way to bring about animal liberation."
4) PETA activists regularly target children as young as six years old with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda, often waiting outside their schools to intercept them as they walk to and from class-without notifying parents. One piece of kid-targeted PETA literature tells small children: "Your Mommy Kills Animals!" PETA brags that its messages reach over 2 million children every year, including thousands reached by e-mail without the permission of their parents. One PETA vice president told the Fox News Channel's audience: "Our campaigns are always geared towards children, and they always will be."
5) PETA has used a related organization, the PETA Foundation, to fund the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), a deceptive animal rights group that promotes itself as an unbiased source of medical and nutritional information. PCRM's president also serves as president of the PETA Foundation.
6) PETA runs campaigns seemingly calculated to offend religious believers. One entire PETA website is devoted to the claim-despite ample evidence to the contrary-that Jesus Christ was a vegetarian. PETA holds protests at houses of worship, even suing one church that tried to protect its members from Sunday-morning harassment. Its billboards taunt Christians with the message that hogs "died for their sins." PETA insists, contrary to centuries of rabbinical teaching, that the Jewish ritual of kosher slaughter shouldn't be allowed. And its infamous "Holocaust on Your Plate" campaign crassly compares the Jewish victims of Nazi genocide with farm animals.
7) PETA has repeatedly attacked research foundations like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, because they support animal-based research that might uncover cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases. PETA president Ingrid Newkirk has said that "even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we would be against it."
First, nice and early thread derail. Congrats.1) PETA president and co-founder Ingrid Newkirk has described her group's overall goal as "total animal liberation." This means no meat, no milk, no zoos, no circuses, no wool, no leather, no hunting, no fishing, and no pets (not even seeing-eye dogs). PETA is also against all medical research that requires the use of animals.
2) Despite its constant moralizing about the "unethical" treatment of animals by restaurant owners, grocers, farmers, scientists, anglers, and countless other Americans, PETA has killed over 14,400 dogs and cats at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. During 2005, PETA put to death over 90 percent of the animals it collected from members of the public.
3) PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified "domestic terrorist" group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing recommendation, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. And PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that "blowing stuff up and smashing windows" is "a great way to bring about animal liberation."
4) PETA activists regularly target children as young as six years old with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda, often waiting outside their schools to intercept them as they walk to and from class-without notifying parents. One piece of kid-targeted PETA literature tells small children: "Your Mommy Kills Animals!" PETA brags that its messages reach over 2 million children every year, including thousands reached by e-mail without the permission of their parents. One PETA vice president told the Fox News Channel's audience: "Our campaigns are always geared towards children, and they always will be."
5) PETA has used a related organization, the PETA Foundation, to fund the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), a deceptive animal rights group that promotes itself as an unbiased source of medical and nutritional information. PCRM's president also serves as president of the PETA Foundation.
6) PETA runs campaigns seemingly calculated to offend religious believers. One entire PETA website is devoted to the claim-despite ample evidence to the contrary-that Jesus Christ was a vegetarian. PETA holds protests at houses of worship, even suing one church that tried to protect its members from Sunday-morning harassment. Its billboards taunt Christians with the message that hogs "died for their sins." PETA insists, contrary to centuries of rabbinical teaching, that the Jewish ritual of kosher slaughter shouldn't be allowed. And its infamous "Holocaust on Your Plate" campaign crassly compares the Jewish victims of Nazi genocide with farm animals.
7) PETA has repeatedly attacked research foundations like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, because they support animal-based research that might uncover cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases. PETA president Ingrid Newkirk has said that "even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we would be against it."
Second, if you're too lazy to type in your own argument, you should at least credit the source. As it is, you've C-n-P-ed reactionary arguments phrased for rabble-rousing. These are not your own thoughts; they are designed for the readers of USA Today. This inability to put forward your own cogent argument has the effect of undermining the point you are trying to make.
Finally, a special request: please don't apply your logic to this thread's subject matter. Ta.
MX7 said:
mattnunn said:
As are Lega Nord (Berlesconi's boys)
SB doesn't belong to the Lega Nord.This constant portrayal of UKIP as neo-Nazis is becoming pathetic. It's a daft as a Tory supporter painting Labour as being a bunch of Stalinists.
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