Farage stays on as UKIP leader
Discussion
markh1973 said:
MGJohn said:
anonymous said:
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Some are obviously determined to see it that way with their own version of less straight talking negative slant inaccuracy.The bloke said he would resign and confirmed that soon after the result was known. When later he approached the party with his formal resignation they did not accept it. Place whatever negative slant on that which suits. It will change nothing. I expected he would be asked to put his name forward later after his summer break simply by popular demand. I did not expect popular demand to be so timely and assertively quick off the mark.
Good to see it though and the obvious delight of the naysayers with their own version of "straight talking".....
s2art said:
Not too sure how good an analogy that is, but there was a popular leader waiting in the wings for the Nats, Evans is quite good but she doesnt hold a candle to Farage when it comes to bang for buck in getting attention.
In which case promising to stand down was foolish, unless it was the usual politician's trick of making a hollow promise just for effect? But Farage wouldn't do that because he isn't your usual, shifty, word twisting politician, is he?RYH64E said:
s2art said:
Not too sure how good an analogy that is, but there was a popular leader waiting in the wings for the Nats, Evans is quite good but she doesnt hold a candle to Farage when it comes to bang for buck in getting attention.
In which case promising to stand down was foolish, unless it was the usual politician's trick of making a hollow promise just for effect? But Farage wouldn't do that because he isn't your usual, shifty, word twisting politician, is he?s2art said:
If the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do? He resigned and was subsequently persuaded to stay on.
The facts didn't change. The fact was, and is that he lost. Also the fact is that he said that he'll resign (not offer resignation) if he doesn't win. I understand your desire to dress it up as something else, but the simple fact is he went back on his word. The straight-talking-I-mean-what-I-say Nigel.To answer your own question; 'What do you do?'. If you are principled man you stick to the deal that you made. You may not like it, but you stick to it.
markh1973 said:
s2art said:
If the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do? He resigned and was subsequently persuaded to stay on.
What facts changed?s2art said:
Farage resigned. He kept his word. I think he really did want a break. He was persuaded otherwise by people with a lot of personal investment in UKIP, who were afraid it might fizzle without Farage.
He didn't promise to stand down because he needed a break, this is what he said:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-far...
Shifty Politician said:
“The consequences of me failing to secure a seat for myself in the Commons would be significant for both myself and the party.
“It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat.
“What credibility would Ukip have in the Commons if others had to enunciate party policy in Parliament and the party leader was only allowed in as a guest?
“Was I supposed to brief Ukip policy from the Westminster Arms? No – if I fail to win South Thanet, it is curtains for me. I will have to step down.”
“It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat.
“What credibility would Ukip have in the Commons if others had to enunciate party policy in Parliament and the party leader was only allowed in as a guest?
“Was I supposed to brief Ukip policy from the Westminster Arms? No – if I fail to win South Thanet, it is curtains for me. I will have to step down.”
RYH64E said:
s2art said:
Farage resigned. He kept his word. I think he really did want a break. He was persuaded otherwise by people with a lot of personal investment in UKIP, who were afraid it might fizzle without Farage.
He didn't promise to stand down because he needed a break, this is what he said:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-far...
Shifty Politician said:
“The consequences of me failing to secure a seat for myself in the Commons would be significant for both myself and the party.
“It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat.
“What credibility would Ukip have in the Commons if others had to enunciate party policy in Parliament and the party leader was only allowed in as a guest?
“Was I supposed to brief Ukip policy from the Westminster Arms? No – if I fail to win South Thanet, it is curtains for me. I will have to step down.”
“It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat.
“What credibility would Ukip have in the Commons if others had to enunciate party policy in Parliament and the party leader was only allowed in as a guest?
“Was I supposed to brief Ukip policy from the Westminster Arms? No – if I fail to win South Thanet, it is curtains for me. I will have to step down.”
markh1973 said:
The party can't force him to stay on - ultimately he has decided not to follow through with the resignation.
He resigned, as he said he would.He followed through, and tendered his resignation.
Either Farage, or you is a liar.
Farage resigned, as he said he would.
You have said that he broke his word. He didn't.
Go figure!
s2art said:
UKIP lost an MP, it also didnt gain the handful expected. There was nobody in the wings who could do what Farage does for UKIP. Carlswell alone is not enough.
I'm not sure that even if UKIP had won more seats, the true believers would have let St. Nige go. The man is the party & the flock know that. The success of the party is directly attributable to a cult of personality. If I were them I would want him back, I can see why he did it, UKIP is NF's baby and letting go, to the detriment of the party, is bound to be difficult. I think it's been a bit of a stunt but hasn't hurt anyone other than giving NF's reputation a gently shoeing. don4l said:
He resigned, as he said he would.
He followed through, and tendered his resignation.
Either Farage, or you is a liar.
Farage resigned, as he said he would.
You have said that he broke his word. He didn't.
Go figure!
Nothing to figure, Farage is a liar, he didn't resign, he said that he would resign. He didn't say 'I'll offer my resignation, but if the committee says pretty please, I'll stay.' He followed through, and tendered his resignation.
Either Farage, or you is a liar.
Farage resigned, as he said he would.
You have said that he broke his word. He didn't.
Go figure!
You are terrible at this. Unsurprisingly.
don4l said:
He resigned, as he said he would.
He followed through, and tendered his resignation.
Either Farage, or you is a liar.
Farage resigned, as he said he would.
You have said that he broke his word. He didn't.
Go figure!
A man or his word resigns as leader then fHe followed through, and tendered his resignation.
Either Farage, or you is a liar.
Farage resigned, as he said he would.
You have said that he broke his word. He didn't.
Go figure!
ks off as leader as did Hague, Howard, Brown, Miliband and Salmond. A man who tells the world he is resigning as leader particularly after stating if he was not elected as an MP he would do so and remains in the position looks very suspect indeed regardless of whatever spin Kippers try to put on it. jjlynn27 said:
don4l said:
He resigned, as he said he would.
He followed through, and tendered his resignation.
Either Farage, or you is a liar.
Farage resigned, as he said he would.
You have said that he broke his word. He didn't.
Go figure!
Nothing to figure, Farage is a liar, he didn't resign, he said that he would resign. He didn't say 'I'll offer my resignation, but if the committee says pretty please, I'll stay.' He followed through, and tendered his resignation.
Either Farage, or you is a liar.
Farage resigned, as he said he would.
You have said that he broke his word. He didn't.
Go figure!
You are terrible at this. Unsurprisingly.
I've read some rubbish on PH, but you really take the biscuit.
Why does Farage have such a strong effect on lefties that they seem to think that they can get away with bare faced lies?
drivetrain said:
Ah, the toryboys are whingeing because a determined and competent politician is staying in the game and is the most likely to put the boot into Cameron when he tries to renege on the EU referendum.
Shuuuuush!Please do not kick over that Ant Hill ...... just yet.
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The time may well come ... can feel it in me wossnames.
don4l said:
jjlynn27 said:
don4l said:
He resigned, as he said he would.
He followed through, and tendered his resignation.
Either Farage, or you is a liar.
Farage resigned, as he said he would.
You have said that he broke his word. He didn't.
Go figure!
Nothing to figure, Farage is a liar, he didn't resign, he said that he would resign. He didn't say 'I'll offer my resignation, but if the committee says pretty please, I'll stay.' He followed through, and tendered his resignation.
Either Farage, or you is a liar.
Farage resigned, as he said he would.
You have said that he broke his word. He didn't.
Go figure!
You are terrible at this. Unsurprisingly.
I've read some rubbish on PH, but you really take the biscuit.
Why does Farage have such a strong effect on lefties that they seem to think that they can get away with bare faced lies?
Which lefties are trying to get away with bare faced lies? Is Nigel a leftie?
Do you understand the difference between resigning and offering resignation?
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