Is Cameron an utter failure?

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Two years in and as far as I can see he's delivered nothing.

The country is being swamped with beggers from Eastern Europe, what happened to the immigration controls? Under EU law you need to be able to support yourself to enter another state but it seems Cameron is happy to let EU beggers, criminals and chancers to come here.

He gave another 10 billion to the IMF to prop up the dying euro, while at the same time destroying the NHS.

And what happened to banning car clampers, squatters etc? He's even failed on the simple stuff.

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Jasandjules said:

miniman said:

Whilst there's a coalition, both parties can continue to fall back on the argument that they are unable to implement all their policies because of the other party. As it stands, though, I'm sorry to say that he doesn't seem to be achieving much.

Frankly I think he's done little of worth and I am heartily disappointed.

No point voting Tory next time.

UKIP next time for me. No surprise really as it turns out Cameron hangs out with a load of dodgy characters, makes me wonder if he's actually corrupt?

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davepoth said:

That's not his fault - 30 years' worth of treaties secure freedom of movement for all EU citizens. Spain isn't especially happy about the tens of thousands of British retirees that have ruined the costas. Given the ststorm in Europe right now, renegotiating that treaty is far from everyone's minds.

Actually you need to be able to support yourself if you go to another member state. Turning up jobless and penniless is not part of the game and you can be repatriated so why are 100,000's getting away with it?

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davepoth said:

sjn2004 said:

davepoth said:

That's not his fault - 30 years' worth of treaties secure freedom of movement for all EU citizens. Spain isn't especially happy about the tens of thousands of British retirees that have ruined the costas. Given the ststorm in Europe right now, renegotiating that treaty is far from everyone's minds.

Actually you need to be able to support yourself if you go to another member state. Turning up jobless and penniless is not part of the game and you can be repatriated so why are 100,000's getting away with it?

No, read the treaty. The 2004 accession states did have that caveat, but it expired in May 2009, and now they are as entitled as you or I. All the other countries have had full freedom of movement and employment for many years.

Actually Bulgarians and Romanians don't have full workers rights until 2014. Note the word WORKER, beggers and thief's are classified as workers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_f...

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oyster said:

davepoth said:

sjn2004 said:

Two years in and as far as I can see he's delivered nothing.

The country is being swamped with beggers from Eastern Europe, what happened to the immigration controls? Under EU law you need to be able to support yourself to enter another state but it seems Cameron is happy to let EU beggers, criminals and chancers to come here.

That's not his fault - 30 years' worth of treaties secure freedom of movement for all EU citizens. Spain isn't especially happy about the tens of thousands of British retirees that have ruined the costas. Given the ststorm in Europe right now, renegotiating that treaty is far from everyone's minds.

sjn2004 said:

He gave another 10 billion to the IMF to prop up the dying euro, while at the same time destroying the NHS.

That was as much to help us as it was to help the Euro - the IMF money gets lent to banks, who are then able to lend multiples of it back to us. Without it, the global economy seizes up and we have to pay a lot more to borrow to cover our debts.

sjn2004 said:

And what happened to banning car clampers, squatters etc? He's even failed on the simple stuff.

That received Royal Assent on the First of May and is now enacted into law.

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-12/protec...

OP - This hasn't gone quite as you had expected has it?

Too right, I was hoping to be told that it was all in the pipeline but it turns out car clamping is being banned but not squatters.

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eharding said:

rolex said:

eharding said:

sjn2004 said:

Actually you need to be able to support yourself if you go to another member state. Turning up jobless and penniless is not part of the game and you can be repatriated so why are 100,000's getting away with it?

Still waiting. Names. Two dozen of.

Can't be difficult, can it?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rom...

Indepedent...schmidipendent.

Obviously a fake story with a landscape generated in Bryce with beggers added from the Daz3D library.

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davepoth said:

That's not his fault - 30 years' worth of treaties secure freedom of movement for all EU citizens. Spain isn't especially happy about the tens of thousands of British retirees that have ruined the costas. Given the ststorm in Europe right now, renegotiating that treaty is far from everyone's minds.

davepoth said:

And I wasn't talking about them. I said the 2004 countries. Romanians and Bulgarians have to have work permits. You can't get a work permit to beg or thieve, so I would take a guess that they've come as tourists. I can't say I've been panhandled or mugged by someone from either country though.

Not being pedantic but you did say all EU citizens and the characters in question come from Romania. Had a pair of the scuffy sods try and pickpocket me in the Trafford Centre about one year back.

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eharding said:

sjn2004 said:

Not being pedantic but you did say all EU citizens and the characters in question come from Romania. Had a pair of the scuffy sods try and pickpocket me in the Trafford Centre about one year back.

Well, that's a start. Even if you didn't get their names, we'll call that two down, twenty-two to go.

Here's another 14

http://www.lbc.co.uk/14-dangerous-foreign-criminal...

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Police State said:

eharding said:

Police State said:

eharding said:

sjn2004 said:

Actually you need to be able to support yourself if you go to another member state. Turning up jobless and penniless is not part of the game and you can be repatriated so why are 100,000's getting away with it?

Still waiting. Names. Two dozen of.

Can't be difficult, can it?

Why do you keep insisting on names? It’s as if you don’t actually believe the Ops assertion that criminals and chancers do come here; when even a busy idiot can see that it is true.

Because our reactionary chum - apart from his brush with a couple of likely lads in the Trafford center a year ago - has absolutely no idea of what he's complaining about other than what he reads in the Wail.

I'm gonna stick my neck out here:
without wishing to sound 'too personal', you live in a fairly middle class area, drive a nice motor, and fund a private plane. I would suggest your life is fairly comfy and relatively cloistered such that you don't know; don't see; and don't hear of the realities of our east european friends criminal activities. I would therefore suggest that it is you that really hasn't a clue as to how relatively entrenched said activities are. Perhaps you may take a different view when the harsh realities of what you are seemingly in denial of directly affect you. It may be your RR on a container to Estonia, your bank account emptied; your house burgled,and so on...



But be assured, the essence of what the Op posted is utterly true.

PS: I forgot to add they may even be brazen enough to 'make use' of your plane for a nice little earner...

Edited by Police State on Tuesday 15th May 23:54

I bet his buddies in the SWP don't know about the plane!

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eharding said:

sjn2004 said:

Here's another 14

http://www.lbc.co.uk/14-dangerous-foreign-criminal...

You've been Googling your little fingers off for the past two hours, haven't you...and of the hundreds and thousands, you've found fourteen, plus two probables?

No, actually I've been rendering up some animation in Motion and every so often checked this webpage on my laptop LOL.

Here's another , approx 2600 Lithuanians arrested last year in LONDON, population of Lithuania 3.1 million. Thats not far off 1/1000 Lithuanians having been arrested in LONDON. Pretty crazy stats.