Junker and dave
Discussion
greygoose said:
Walford said:
XJ Flyer said:
I'd suggest that with us being in a position of net trade deficit with it the EU is in no place to dictate terms to us whatsoever after we withdraw from it.As opposed to vice versa.
its not about trade, its about building a supper state run by and for a political eliteXJ Flyer said:
The answer isn't how to run it but getting out of it preferably long before 2017.While the EU's ruling elite and benificiary states know that 'if' we succeed that's a large chunk of their cash gone.In addition to giving us the powers to stop the situation of being in the trade deficit with the place that we've been in since Heath took us into the scam.
If we got out, kept free trade, and our economy started to improve, all the countries/states that have been in recession for years would look to follow, which is why they want us to stay in,grantone said:
Your post made me do some more research about EU countries that are not Euro users.
I hadn't realised that the UK really is the odd one out, of the countries that have other currencies:
Lithuania is already in an Exchange Rate Mechanism and should move to Euro in 2015.
Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland could have entered ERM periods, but don't yet have target dates. They are 'compelled' to eventually use the Euro as a condition of their EU membership, but might end up like Sweden below.
Romania and Bulgaria haven't been in long enough to use the Euro, but as above, are 'compelled' to move to it eventually.
Denmark has a formal opt-out, but their currency is pegged to the Euro and they appear to be likely to have a successful referendum on cancelling that opt-out in the next few years.
Sweden does not have a formal opt-out as it joined the EU after currency opt-outs has been abolished and should be 'compelled' to move to the Euro, but the country rejected it at a referendum in 2003 which to date the EU has accepted.
So it could be reasonably likely that if we stayed in, in 10 years time we would be the only current EU country left not using the Euro and any new members would be compelled to use it.
if we were still in, but europe will be euro land end ofI hadn't realised that the UK really is the odd one out, of the countries that have other currencies:
Lithuania is already in an Exchange Rate Mechanism and should move to Euro in 2015.
Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland could have entered ERM periods, but don't yet have target dates. They are 'compelled' to eventually use the Euro as a condition of their EU membership, but might end up like Sweden below.
Romania and Bulgaria haven't been in long enough to use the Euro, but as above, are 'compelled' to move to it eventually.
Denmark has a formal opt-out, but their currency is pegged to the Euro and they appear to be likely to have a successful referendum on cancelling that opt-out in the next few years.
Sweden does not have a formal opt-out as it joined the EU after currency opt-outs has been abolished and should be 'compelled' to move to the Euro, but the country rejected it at a referendum in 2003 which to date the EU has accepted.
So it could be reasonably likely that if we stayed in, in 10 years time we would be the only current EU country left not using the Euro and any new members would be compelled to use it.
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