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sidicks said:
avinalarf said:
Well braindrain....your conclusions about needing a rethink on how an economy should be run so that it benefits the majority is the same conclusion I came to.
And you lot ,don't think for one moment that I'm a closet Jeremy supporter,cos I ain't .
I just want to leave all our kids a decent society to live in.
Where they can have reasonable aspirations and dare to dream.
Like I did a child of the '60's.
Maybe this is just a bad hiccup,a perfect storm of bad events,the 2008 financial crisis the euro ,the whole EU adventure,and then the political problems in the ME and Africa,it's a real bleedin mess.
Any answers anyone ?
According to the article you posted, income inequality has reduced significantly in the last 8 years or so.And you lot ,don't think for one moment that I'm a closet Jeremy supporter,cos I ain't .
I just want to leave all our kids a decent society to live in.
Where they can have reasonable aspirations and dare to dream.
Like I did a child of the '60's.
Maybe this is just a bad hiccup,a perfect storm of bad events,the 2008 financial crisis the euro ,the whole EU adventure,and then the political problems in the ME and Africa,it's a real bleedin mess.
Any answers anyone ?
But he concludes his article with....
" These are just statistics. But they tell a sobering tale of an unbalanced economy experiencing an uneven recovery ".
avinalarf said:
You are correct.
But he concludes his article with....
" These are just statistics. But they tell a sobering tale of an unbalanced economy experiencing an uneven recovery ".
1. Just statistics, but summarising the real world.But he concludes his article with....
" These are just statistics. But they tell a sobering tale of an unbalanced economy experiencing an uneven recovery ".
2. I think the latter comment is in relation to wealth, rather than income for which the statistics were quite different.
sidicks said:
avinalarf said:
And another thing my friends.....
Europe the UK ,the USA and whole swathes of the World have economies based on consumerism.
Now more than ever before.
And that terrible new cult of celebrity.
Youngsters bombarded with ads and music promos and tv "reality" programmes offering them everything their hearts desire and just a click of the mouse and it's theirs.
The Kadashians and Beckhams anybody ?
So however well intentioned and financially literate,however logical and well informed your comments are,surely they pall into insignificance when you have the power of large corporations preying on this young generation.
The Googles ,the Nikes, the Apples, Grazia style mags, the celebs all saying "look at us " you can join us ,you can be us,
No they cannot
Where is the message that I was taught as a child by my parents and teachers.......Hard work,save prudently,respect your elders,maybe they should all join PH and pray at the altar of sidicks.
I was taught this by my parents and observed their strong work ethic.
Not by listening to X factors or the Kardashians or some fantasising blog written by a 15 year old in her bedroom.
They are being told that with a miniscule of "talent" they can become successful and be a multi millionaire.
Or they watch "A life on benefits " and think "we'll have a bit of that".
Now before you all have a go at me....
Yes,I'm generalising.
There are plenty of kids that don't fall for that above rubbish,but I think you may agree that it is of a very corrosive nature and certainly isn't helping.
Europe the UK ,the USA and whole swathes of the World have economies based on consumerism.
Now more than ever before.
And that terrible new cult of celebrity.
Youngsters bombarded with ads and music promos and tv "reality" programmes offering them everything their hearts desire and just a click of the mouse and it's theirs.
The Kadashians and Beckhams anybody ?
So however well intentioned and financially literate,however logical and well informed your comments are,surely they pall into insignificance when you have the power of large corporations preying on this young generation.
The Googles ,the Nikes, the Apples, Grazia style mags, the celebs all saying "look at us " you can join us ,you can be us,
No they cannot
Where is the message that I was taught as a child by my parents and teachers.......Hard work,save prudently,respect your elders,maybe they should all join PH and pray at the altar of sidicks.
I was taught this by my parents and observed their strong work ethic.
Not by listening to X factors or the Kardashians or some fantasising blog written by a 15 year old in her bedroom.
They are being told that with a miniscule of "talent" they can become successful and be a multi millionaire.
Or they watch "A life on benefits " and think "we'll have a bit of that".
Now before you all have a go at me....
Yes,I'm generalising.
There are plenty of kids that don't fall for that above rubbish,but I think you may agree that it is of a very corrosive nature and certainly isn't helping.
Many stars like to say, "My success shows that anyone can get to the top if you follow your dreams and don't give up". It's absolute cobblers. They're trying to claim the glory for themselves and deny the ferocious role that luck plays in all of our lives.
On the other hand Gary Player said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get." Now that's much more realistic!
On the other hand Gary Player said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get." Now that's much more realistic!
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2. I think the latter comment is in relation to wealth, rather than income for which the statistics were quite different.You are correct.....
But the impact of a 5% rise for the poorest 20% in disposable income ,what's that a packet of fags ?
( Oh no,please don't tell me they shouldn't smoke but put it in their pension pot. )
And a 5% loss for the richest 20% in their d I ,a hit ,I agree,but it's far negated by huge asset growth.
A case of statistics not really adding much to the debate.
My God you're a hard taskmaster sidicks.
sidicks said:
avinalarf said:
You are correct.
But he concludes his article with....
" These are just statistics. But they tell a sobering tale of an unbalanced economy experiencing an uneven recovery ".
1. Just statistics, but summarising the real world.But he concludes his article with....
" These are just statistics. But they tell a sobering tale of an unbalanced economy experiencing an uneven recovery ".
2. I think the latter comment is in relation to wealth, rather than income for which the statistics were quite different.
But the impact of a 5% rise for the poorest 20% in disposable income ,what's that a packet of fags ?
( Oh no,please don't tell me they shouldn't smoke but put it in their pension pot. )
And a 5% loss for the richest 20% in their d I ,a hit ,I agree,but it's far negated by huge asset growth.
A case of statistics not really adding much to the debate.
My God you're a hard taskmaster sidicks.
avinalarf said:
You are correct.....
But the impact of a 5% rise for the poorest 20% in disposable income ,what's that a packet of fags ?
( Oh no,please don't tell me they shouldn't smoke but put it in their pension pot. )
And a 5% loss for the richest 20% in their d I ,a hit ,I agree,but it's far negated by huge asset growth.
A case of statistics not really adding much to the debate.
Surely you're confusing those wth the highest income and those who are the wealthiest - they are not necessarily the same people.But the impact of a 5% rise for the poorest 20% in disposable income ,what's that a packet of fags ?
( Oh no,please don't tell me they shouldn't smoke but put it in their pension pot. )
And a 5% loss for the richest 20% in their d I ,a hit ,I agree,but it's far negated by huge asset growth.
A case of statistics not really adding much to the debate.
Plenty of people with high incomes don't have massive 'wealth'
avinalarf said:
My God you're a hard taskmaster sidicks.
This is a forum for grown-ups - it's right to expect a robust analysis and discussion...Ozzie Osmond said:
Many stars like to say, "My success shows that anyone can get to the top if you follow your dreams and don't give up". It's absolute cobblers. They're trying to claim the glory for themselves and deny the ferocious role that luck plays in all of our lives.
On the other hand Gary Player said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get." Now that's much more realistic!
Gary Player's comment has merit.....On the other hand Gary Player said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get." Now that's much more realistic!
Doesn't really ring true if you're practising having a Tommy though.....
Ozzie Osmond said:
Many stars like to say, "My success shows that anyone can get to the top if you follow your dreams and don't give up". It's absolute cobblers. They're trying to claim the glory for themselves and deny the ferocious role that luck plays in all of our lives.
On the other hand Gary Player said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get." Now that's much more realistic!
Luck is important, but you need to do all you can to make the most of the opportunities that luck brings your way!On the other hand Gary Player said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get." Now that's much more realistic!
sidicks said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Many stars like to say, "My success shows that anyone can get to the top if you follow your dreams and don't give up". It's absolute cobblers. They're trying to claim the glory for themselves and deny the ferocious role that luck plays in all of our lives.
On the other hand Gary Player said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get." Now that's much more realistic!
Luck is important, but you need to do all you can to make the most of the opportunities that luck brings your way!On the other hand Gary Player said, "The more I practice, the luckier I get." Now that's much more realistic!
But you have to take into account all those many other factors that maketh the man........
Nature.....nurture......appetite for risk.....the knowledge and life experiences to recognise the event as an opportunity.
We are all different,even siblings brought up together with the similar educations and by parents with that work ethic ,that we both applaud,turn out quite differently according to their personality traits.
avinalarf said:
And another thing my friends.....
Europe the UK ,the USA and whole swathes of the World have economies based on consumerism.
Now more than ever before.
And that terrible new cult of celebrity.
Youngsters bombarded with ads and music promos and tv "reality" programmes offering them everything their hearts desire and just a click of the mouse and it's theirs.
The Kadashians and Beckhams anybody ?
So however well intentioned and financially literate,however logical and well informed your comments are,surely they pall into insignificance when you have the power of large corporations preying on this young generation.
The Googles ,the Nikes, the Apples, Grazia style mags, the celebs all saying "look at us " you can join us ,you can be us,
No they cannot
Where is the message that I was taught as a child by my parents and teachers.......Hard work,save prudently,respect your elders,maybe they should all join PH and pray at the altar of sidicks.
I was taught this by my parents and observed their strong work ethic.
Not by listening to X factors or the Kardashians or some fantasising blog written by a 15 year old in her bedroom.
They are being told that with a miniscule of "talent" they can become successful and be a multi millionaire.
Or they watch "A life on benefits " and think "we'll have a bit of that".
Now before you all have a go at me....
Yes,I'm generalising.
There are plenty of kids that don't fall for that above rubbish,but I think you may agree that it is of a very corrosive nature and certainly isn't helping.
Here's something you should maybe be aware of even if you're coming to it a bit late:Europe the UK ,the USA and whole swathes of the World have economies based on consumerism.
Now more than ever before.
And that terrible new cult of celebrity.
Youngsters bombarded with ads and music promos and tv "reality" programmes offering them everything their hearts desire and just a click of the mouse and it's theirs.
The Kadashians and Beckhams anybody ?
So however well intentioned and financially literate,however logical and well informed your comments are,surely they pall into insignificance when you have the power of large corporations preying on this young generation.
The Googles ,the Nikes, the Apples, Grazia style mags, the celebs all saying "look at us " you can join us ,you can be us,
No they cannot
Where is the message that I was taught as a child by my parents and teachers.......Hard work,save prudently,respect your elders,maybe they should all join PH and pray at the altar of sidicks.
I was taught this by my parents and observed their strong work ethic.
Not by listening to X factors or the Kardashians or some fantasising blog written by a 15 year old in her bedroom.
They are being told that with a miniscule of "talent" they can become successful and be a multi millionaire.
Or they watch "A life on benefits " and think "we'll have a bit of that".
Now before you all have a go at me....
Yes,I'm generalising.
There are plenty of kids that don't fall for that above rubbish,but I think you may agree that it is of a very corrosive nature and certainly isn't helping.
https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=...
(the one you need is top left)
O and…..don't follow leaders, watch yer parkin' meters….
Don't forget, Bob told you first.
(told you it was a good thread)
Edited by drainbrain on Sunday 14th August 23:42
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