Child Benefit Tax Charge

Child Benefit Tax Charge

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Chicken Chaser

7,873 posts

225 months

Monday 4th March
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Hondashark said:
It is on the cards.....to be used as an election bribe.
They can give me it but it won't stop me voting elsewhere. I also want a pay rise from them before they foxtrot oscar...

LastPoster

2,426 posts

184 months

Monday 4th March
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I have been in a mostly single (and more recently fully single) income household since HICBC was introduced and always just over the threshold so impacted by it's unfair implementation.

Don't worry, my youngest won't be eligible for it in a few months so this is the year it will be changed/uplifted/cancelled/whatever. Bound to be curse

Hondashark

370 posts

31 months

Monday 4th March
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Chicken Chaser said:
Hondashark said:
It is on the cards.....to be used as an election bribe.
They can give me it but it won't stop me voting elsewhere. I also want a pay rise from them before they foxtrot oscar...
They'll put it in their manifesto so it won't happen unless they get voted in.
Over to Labour to also offer the luxurious tax break to the rich families.

Chicken Chaser

7,873 posts

225 months

Monday 4th March
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Hondashark said:
They'll put it in their manifesto so it won't happen unless they get voted in.
Over to Labour to also offer the luxurious tax break to the rich families.
Rich? Hardly rich. We might not be on the breadline but it's lazy to suggest anyone earning £50-60k is rich. It might be above the average wage in the UK but if you're a single earner, it's less than what 2 average earners will bring in.

okgo

38,279 posts

199 months

Monday 4th March
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Chicken Chaser said:
Rich? Hardly rich. We might not be on the breadline but it's lazy to suggest anyone earning £50-60k is rich. It might be above the average wage in the UK but if you're a single earner, it's less than what 2 average earners will bring in.
We have another thread where two people earning £60k are living in luxury apparently. UK is full of weird people.

Pablo_Picasso

27 posts

161 months

Monday 4th March
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Chicken Chaser said:
Rich? Hardly rich. We might not be on the breadline but it's lazy to suggest anyone earning £50-60k is rich. It might be above the average wage in the UK but if you're a single earner, it's less than what 2 average earners will bring in.
I read somewhere that when this was launched it was the equivalent of £70k now. Which whilst still unfair affected far fewer.
Once minimum wage goes up again this threshold wont be far off a couple working full time with a bit of OT on top. So far from higher earners.
The irony is that whilst the thresholds haven’t increased with inflation…. The benefits have which have made and continue to make the situation worse. Every year the tax percentage from £50-60k gets bigger….

BlindedByTheLights

1,282 posts

98 months

Monday 4th March
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Pablo_Picasso said:
Chicken Chaser said:
Rich? Hardly rich. We might not be on the breadline but it's lazy to suggest anyone earning £50-60k is rich. It might be above the average wage in the UK but if you're a single earner, it's less than what 2 average earners will bring in.
I read somewhere that when this was launched it was the equivalent of £70k now. Which whilst still unfair affected far fewer.
Once minimum wage goes up again this threshold wont be far off a couple working full time with a bit of OT on top. So far from higher earners.
The irony is that whilst the thresholds haven’t increased with inflation…. The benefits have which have made and continue to make the situation worse. Every year the tax percentage from £50-60k gets bigger….
Fiscal drag, it’s very naughty but they’re taking in tax at record levels so won’t be changing anytime soon. There’s the big credit card bill from their friends PPE contracts to be paid each month for a long time yet.

CorradoTDI

1,467 posts

172 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Puzzles said:
md_ph said:
Milner993 said:
The more I read this thread the more annoyed I get!
I'm fortunate enough to be earning a decent wage around £65k my wife only works part time due to child care costs so we loose all the child benefit.

What's the sweet spot between £50k and £100k if there is one?

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for some tax breaks but I'm not going to hold my breath.
99,999 is the sweet spot! Once you go over 100k you get hit with another whammy in that you start to lose your tax free allowance - giving an effective tax rate of 60% until you earn over £125k
And don’t forget childcare
Yes, be very careful using 99999 - any savings interest you make or any other income you've not considered will take you over

Puzzles

1,881 posts

112 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Yep I’d always leave a buffer

CardinalBlue

844 posts

78 months

Tuesday 5th March
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‘It’s all fallen flat’: households earning more than £60,000 on how they are struggling financially

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/04/m...

FreeLitres

6,054 posts

178 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Something a lot of people miss is that It's not earnings that matter. It's taxable income. This includes the benefit in kind of any perks of your job.

You could earn £50k but still be in the position that you have to complete a tax self assessment and pay back ALL of our child benefit.

Example:

Earn £50k in wages/bonus
Drive a diesel company car, Benefit in kind of £8k
BUPA healthcare £2k


TAXABLE INCOME £60k.

Don't just look at your wage being below £50k and think it doesn't apply to you.

Eric Mc

122,165 posts

266 months

Tuesday 5th March
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FreeLitres said:
Something a lot of people miss is that It's not earnings that matter. It's taxable income. This includes the benefit in kind of any perks of your job.

You could earn £50k but still be in the position that you have to complete a tax self assessment and pay back ALL of our child benefit.

Example:

Earn £50k in wages/bonus
Drive a diesel company car, Benefit in kind of £8k
BUPA healthcare £2k


TAXABLE INCOME £60k.

Don't just look at your wage being below £50k and think it doesn't apply to you.
Very good point.

It is a ticking time bomb ready to catch the unwary. If the Tories want to know why young professionals with families might be deserting them - it's blindingly obvious.



WhiskyDisco

810 posts

75 months

Tuesday 5th March
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/mar/04/m...

Lazy journalism from the Guardian. Despite the article being about families struggling despite being "high earners" the HICB charge isn't mentioned - even though this would be be highest tax charge of all.

Sheepshanks

32,928 posts

120 months

Tuesday 5th March
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FreeLitres said:
Something a lot of people miss is that It's not earnings that matter. It's taxable income. This includes the benefit in kind of any perks of your job.

You could earn £50k but still be in the position that you have to complete a tax self assessment and pay back ALL of our child benefit.

Example:

Earn £50k in wages/bonus
Drive a diesel company car, Benefit in kind of £8k
BUPA healthcare £2k


TAXABLE INCOME £60k.

Don't just look at your wage being below £50k and think it doesn't apply to you.
Above is all correct, but you also need to take pension contributions off to get to taxable income.

jonwm

2,536 posts

115 months

Tuesday 5th March
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Eric Mc said:
FreeLitres said:
Something a lot of people miss is that It's not earnings that matter. It's taxable income. This includes the benefit in kind of any perks of your job.

You could earn £50k but still be in the position that you have to complete a tax self assessment and pay back ALL of our child benefit.

Example:

Earn £50k in wages/bonus
Drive a diesel company car, Benefit in kind of £8k
BUPA healthcare £2k


TAXABLE INCOME £60k.

Don't just look at your wage being below £50k and think it doesn't apply to you.
Very good point.

It is a ticking time bomb ready to catch the unwary. If the Tories want to know why young professionals with families might be deserting them - it's blindingly obvious.
That's how I got caught in 2018, my 1st child was born just as it was announced it was changing (2013) didn't see it as it went into my wife's bank and forgot about it, salary was late 40s, throw in my diesel A5 company car, fuel card and bupa and I was over for about 4 years, had to get a loan to pay it back, had the letter 1 week before Christmas, and at that point had 2 kids and my wife not working! Killer of a tax and a very depressing Christmas!

I now do self assessment which is not that much of a pain but could do without it.

LowTread

4,391 posts

225 months

Tuesday 5th March
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jonwm said:
That's how I got caught in 2018, my 1st child was born just as it was announced it was changing (2013) didn't see it as it went into my wife's bank and forgot about it, salary was late 40s, throw in my diesel A5 company car, fuel card and bupa and I was over for about 4 years, had to get a loan to pay it back, had the letter 1 week before Christmas, and at that point had 2 kids and my wife not working! Killer of a tax and a very depressing Christmas!

I now do self assessment which is not that much of a pain but could do without it.
Holy crap! Ouch

WhiskyDisco

810 posts

75 months

Tuesday 5th March
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LowTread said:
Holy crap! Ouch
\i feel for you. I worked at a palce a few years ago and many of the young dads in that situation got screwed over by this. For me it was very dificult. Having to budget hard with the family was a few difficult conversations.

FreeLitres

6,054 posts

178 months

Wednesday 6th March
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Clawback raised to £60k! Tapers up to £80k!

Result

EDIT - plus, he said that taxes will be household income based from 2026(?).

Edited by FreeLitres on Wednesday 6th March 13:38

duckson

1,244 posts

183 months

Wednesday 6th March
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FreeLitres said:
Clawback raised to £60k! Tapers up to £80k!

Result
Yep fantastic for me.

FreeLitres

6,054 posts

178 months

Wednesday 6th March
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Feels quite liberating not to get absolutely shafted for a change.