Roll-up garage doors

[2stis]

furtive said:

No I didn't. I wanted to know how hard they are to fit yourself

I can help on that bit. I bought quite a large Hormann (I think height was 2700mm) for about £1000 iirc. Including ripping the old (unpowered) roller shutter out and building a new frame to mount the roller guides to it was only a day's work to fit. The Hormann ones come with a very detailed fitting guide and there is also a clever method whereby straps are provided that initially lift the roller up onto the spindle using the motor's power so the whole thing can be done as a one man job.

[furtive]

I struggle to put a picture up straight though...

[Deva Link]

furtive said:

Sectional garage doors seem to be cheaper. Any reason why I shouldn't consider these?

I did mine (a single garage) about 10yrs ago and bought a Clopay insulated sectional door from B&Q for £250 and a Chamberlain opener from Screwfix for £150. The outer seal set was, IIRC, another £30. I must have spent another £50 or so on sundry hardware (I used adhesive anchor bolts for the vertical part of the track as it mounts close the edge of the brick) and electrical stuff. Oh, and I had to pay £20 to hire B&Q's van to get it home.

Clopay is American and it's pretty well the standard door in the US - but I think they pulled out of the UK and B&Q haven't sold them for years. I've got a feeling that doors supplied in other names are really theirs though. It works very well - I went a bit mad and got the heavier duty opener but you can literally open and close the door with a fingertip. In fact I only bought the opener as the door on display didn't have a lock or handle so I thought it would 'clean', but when I got the door home, holes were pre-cut for those. Doh!

You need a bit of height clearance to get the tracks in and there's got to be something to hang them from. While I did mine in a weekend on my own, a double would really need two people to handle the door sections (not to mention removing the old door).

[Steve Zodiac]

Essentially there are two types of Sectional garage door on the market, the 'American' ones, great if you like 1950's technology, lots have disappeared from the Uk market as not able to pass current safety regs.and then there are 'German' doors, think Merc & BMW 2012 tech. These are usually 40mm thick insulated double skinned steel whereas even the best insulated Aluminium Roller doors (77mm lath)are about 15mm at thickest point.
I note someone here has posted a link of their roller door supplier which shows a window shutter spec. slat/lath which is approx. 5mm thick. Not really the best thing for a garage door

[furtive]

So are you saying the German sectional doors are better than roller doors?

[Deva Link]

Steve Zodiac said:

Essentially there are two types of Sectional garage door on the market, the 'American' ones, great if you like 1950's technology, lots have disappeared from the Uk market as not able to pass current safety regs.and then there are 'German' doors, think Merc & BMW 2012 tech. These are usually 40mm thick insulated double skinned steel whereas even the best insulated Aluminium Roller doors (77mm lath)are about 15mm at thickest point.

I could well be missing something here, but exactly how much "technology" is there in a garage door?

And insulation is all well and good, but probably doesn't matter in most cases. Anything is likely to better that what's there already. Its most practical effect in reality is that it makes the door feel more substantial.

[Steve Zodiac]

furtive said:

So are you saying the German sectional doors are better than roller doors?

If you have the room for the mechanism tracks that extend some 2.5m into the garage then IMHO yes.

I like them both, but prefer a quality sectional to a quality Roller door.
A lot can depend on the building layout but all things being equal I'd choose the sectional.

[hedgefinder]

Hoonigan said:

This was the one I bought a month or so ago to give you an idea of price, also the Oak colour was an extra £300.00 so you can knock that off of the total if you have a standard colour.

still too expensive.. had mine done - largest possible opening for a single door, remote and insulated fully fitted £1200

[Steve Zodiac]

Deva Link said:

Steve Zodiac said:

Essentially there are two types of Sectional garage door on the market, the 'American' ones, great if you like 1950's technology, lots have disappeared from the Uk market as not able to pass current safety regs.and then there are 'German' doors, think Merc & BMW 2012 tech. These are usually 40mm thick insulated double skinned steel whereas even the best insulated Aluminium Roller doors (77mm lath)are about 15mm at thickest point.

I could well be missing something here, but exactly how much "technology" is there in a garage door?

And insulation is all well and good, but probably doesn't matter in most cases. Anything is likely to better that what's there already. Its most practical effect in reality is that it makes the door feel more substantial.

I hear what you are saying but....there are huge, massive differences in quality.
Steel grade & thickness for one. I've seen Coke can thickness steel on most US doors
Anti finger trap between panels
Insulation is pressure injected foam /aids panel rigidity (not a polystyrene sandwich)
Anti-drop mechanisms.
Multiple tension springs for safer operation
Surface Polyester coating & general fit/finish & design
Integral steel frame (no need to fit on timber sub frame)
Integral weatherstrips & gaskets
Sealed end caps
Steel hinges & more of them,
10 year warranty

Operators are a whole subject on their own

I could go on, but hey you will always defend your own door, it's what you know and are used to.
As with everything you get what you pay for and things evolve & improve.
There will always be a place for the budget stuff available on the Net and in the Sheds for people who want to fill a hole cheaply.
After all a doors a door innit!

[mattdaniels]

hedgefinder said:

Hoonigan said:

This was the one I bought a month or so ago to give you an idea of price, also the Oak colour was an extra £300.00 so you can knock that off of the total if you have a standard colour.

still too expensive.. had mine done - largest possible opening for a single door, remote and insulated fully fitted £1200

Unless I'm mistaken, that £1800 quote was for a double door, so not "still too expensive" when compared to your £1200 for a single door.

[Hoonigan]

mattdaniels said:

hedgefinder said:

Hoonigan said:

This was the one I bought a month or so ago to give you an idea of price, also the Oak colour was an extra £300.00 so you can knock that off of the total if you have a standard colour.

still too expensive.. had mine done - largest possible opening for a single door, remote and insulated fully fitted £1200

Unless I'm mistaken, that £1800 quote was for a double door, so not "still too expensive" when compared to your £1200 for a single door.

Yup, large double. The other door I had was over 5m and was cheaper but that was last year and Seceuroglide prices have gone up across their range (or so they said) this was the reason that the company I posted don't actively sell them any more but offer a cheaper alternative, but I wanted the same as I know what the quality is like, and happy to pay a little more for it...

Edited by Hoonigan on Friday 9th November 21:34

[hedgefinder]

mattdaniels said:

Unless I'm mistaken, that £1800 quote was for a double door, so not "still too expensive" when compared to your £1200 for a single door.

IF you read what I said properly mine is a "double width door" its the widest door possible to have made and still operate smoothly.

[Hoonigan]

hedgefinder said:

mattdaniels said:

Unless I'm mistaken, that £1800 quote was for a double door, so not "still too expensive" when compared to your £1200 for a single door.

IF you read what I said properly mine is a "double width door" its the widest door possible to have made and still operate smoothly.

Oooooo handbags

What make was it? I'd be interested to see how it compares as if you can get a 6m door fitted for £1200.00 sounds great value also which company did you use?

[nsa]

I went with Doormatic in the end. I tried our own Doorman but we didn't get to the quote stage. He's in Hampshire, I'm in north west London.

Very happy. £3,150 supplied and fitted for two Seceuroglides with three rows of slats to let light in. It took two guys all day but they did a great job. If I'd tried to fit them it would have ended up being a bodge. I found my limit putting boards down in the loft.

Thanks for the replies, it helped a lot.

[dustybottoms]

Steve Zodiac said:

I hear what you are saying but....there are huge, massive differences in quality.
Steel grade & thickness for one. I've seen Coke can thickness steel on most US doors
Anti finger trap between panels
Insulation is pressure injected foam /aids panel rigidity (not a polystyrene sandwich)
Anti-drop mechanisms.
Multiple tension springs for safer operation
Surface Polyester coating & general fit/finish & design
Integral steel frame (no need to fit on timber sub frame)
Integral weatherstrips & gaskets
Sealed end caps
Steel hinges & more of them,
10 year warranty

I went the German 40mm insulated door route with all the spec listed above.
Motorized double garage door fitted, old one taken away, two remote fobs and internal switch, plus significant external door surround finishing to make the external look modern and sleek. I paid £2300.00 including fitting and VAT. Really adds something very positive to the look of the house.

[iantr]

A little thread-exhumation to show I've done my research.

Could someone give me a rough idea of what I should be paying for a 4.3m x 2.3m Seceuroglide insulated roller door (supplied and installed) please? Should be a straightforward job - brick built garage with a lintel, plenty of headroom, perfectly placed 13A socket already there etc. As is often the case, I think that a substantial "Surrey tax" has been added to the quotes I have obtained....

Thanks in advance.

[jason61c]

£1500.

[V8RX7]

furtive said:

No I didn't. I wanted to know how hard they are to fit yourself

Absolute doddle to fit.

I bought two, used off Ebay for £400.

Took literally minutes to fit (well the second one did)

[anonymous-user]

iantr said:

A little thread-exhumation to show I've done my research.

Could someone give me a rough idea of what I should be paying for a 4.3m x 2.3m Seceuroglide insulated roller door (supplied and installed) please? Should be a straightforward job - brick built garage with a lintel, plenty of headroom, perfectly placed 13A socket already there etc. As is often the case, I think that a substantial "Surrey tax" has been added to the quotes I have obtained....

Thanks in advance.

Single door is going to be between 1400-1600 fitted. Last month I had two singles (SWS, oak) fitted by a local place for £3K. One thing to bear in mind is that the covers for the roller box are extra, if that sort of thing bothers you.

[jason61c]

I had two sws doors with boxes done for 2.3k. 9ft 4 wide. That was supply and fit, 10 year warranty on everything.