Full Fibre Installation - Wiring before install
Discussion
The Three D Mucketeer said:
But why does it need to finish in the same position as now ?
Don't forget most of your in house devices are better on WIFI , since many devices Ethernet card only runs at 10Mb
...and their WIFIs are 56 Mb + .
With Digital voice phones they run over the same DECT type system wthin the house only using Broadband to connect to the digital phone network. So you don't need any cabling in the property .
So the Router and ONT could be sited anywhere in the house and you then only need to be concerned where the external fibre termination is located . Just worth thinking "out of the box" and don't assume the current provision is the most convienient for yourself (of course the OPENREACH engineer will like to do it as it is ).
What old kit do you have that only has a 10Mbps NIC and not even 10/100? Even our 10 year old Panasonic HDD recorder is 10/100!Don't forget most of your in house devices are better on WIFI , since many devices Ethernet card only runs at 10Mb
...and their WIFIs are 56 Mb + .With Digital voice phones they run over the same DECT type system wthin the house only using Broadband to connect to the digital phone network. So you don't need any cabling in the property .
So the Router and ONT could be sited anywhere in the house and you then only need to be concerned where the external fibre termination is located . Just worth thinking "out of the box" and don't assume the current provision is the most convienient for yourself (of course the OPENREACH engineer will like to do it as it is
).The Three D Mucketeer said:
blade runner said:
Undergound would be great, but I don't really have that option as it would need to cross a tarmac drive, then run along the side of the garage, under a patio and then under some decking to get all the way from the pole to the back of the house (navigating various drains and soil pipes along the way). How did you get in contact with Open Reach to set all this up in advance, as I can't seem to find any way to make contact with them to discuss any works I can do prior to the install?
But why does it need to finish in the same position as now ?Don't forget most of your in house devices are better on WIFI , since many devices Ethernet card only runs at 10Mb
...and their WIFIs are 56 Mb + .With Digital voice phones they run over the same DECT type system wthin the house only using Broadband to connect to the digital phone network. So you don't need any cabling in the property .
So the Router and ONT could be sited anywhere in the house and you then only need to be concerned where the external fibre termination is located . Just worth thinking "out of the box" and don't assume the current provision is the most convienient for yourself (of course the OPENREACH engineer will like to do it as it is
).Annoyingly, when we had the house re-wired back in 2009 I didn't think to run an ethernet network but instead had a coax network as, at the time, I thought this would be what we'd need to get TV to each room.
My house (chalet bungalow) was built in 1960 , with Accrington NORI brick (Hard as IRON) ... so I use 4 EERO Mesh extenders for Garages, Greenhouses and Garden . SONOS , REOLINK Cameras and SMARTTHINGS works all over my estate . . I'm with BT for both Broadband and TV , the only device on the BT routers WIFI is the EE Youview box (because it uses weird protocols that will not run through EERO ) . I have 900 GB internet connection on FTTP.
. . I'm with BT for both Broadband and TV , the only device on the BT routers WIFI is the EE Youview box (because it uses weird protocols that will not run through EERO ) . I have 900 GB internet connection on FTTP.blade runner said:
Resurrecting this thread as I now have been informed that there is fibre to the telegraph pole outside our house and hoping to replace the existing copper with fibre to improve the slow and unreliable connection we currently get.
The issue I have is that the current entry point for the copper line is at the front left of the house on the gable end soffit – see first picture below. The existing copper line currently runs from here, along the gable end wall, around the corner and then down the back wall of the house and into the study at the rear left of the house near ground level (the green lines on the pictures below). All of this line is currently behind a layer of rendering, so you can't see it at all.
As I understand it, the new fibre cable will follow the same line from the pole to the front left soffit. From there, how will Open Reach run the line to the study at the rear of the house? Ideally, I'd like the new line (which will be a black cable presumably) to follow the gable roof line on the soffit close to the underside of the tiles, then around the corner and down the back wall behind a drainpipe in the corner (the red lines on the images below) so that the cable run is as well disguised as possible. The house is rendered white with white soffits and gutters, so the idea of a black cable just tacked, mid height onto the gable wall wherever it's easiest for them to fix it, is not going to be acceptable to me from a visual perspective. I have also heard that the fibre line from the pole to the entry point into the house can't go around any tight corners or right angles, so if that's true not even sure how it would be possible to get the line from the front of the house to the back where the existing router and phone socket is located as it would have to turn several tight corners to get there as can be seen from the pictures. Alternatively, could the line be run internally - from the front soffit into the attic space and then back through the underside of the soffit at the back of the house negating the need for any external cable along the side of the house and around the corner to the back?
There doesn't seem to be any way to contact Open Reach prior to installation to get someone to do a feasibility study, I just have to sign up for a full fibre deal with BT and they will book Open Reach for the installation on a date I can choose. Obviously, I'm a bit reluctant to do this until I have a better idea of how the line can be run from the front to back of the house, so any advice or experience others have had would be most appreciated.
I'm wondering if it's possible to get another company (not Open Reach) to run the cable along the route I desire (external or internal) from the entry point into the study on the back wall to the front soffit in advance and then for Open Reach to simply take this line to the pole and then make all the connections?
The only way this is happening is if there is access to get a cherry picker to it. There’s no they they will be going on top of that roof below.The issue I have is that the current entry point for the copper line is at the front left of the house on the gable end soffit – see first picture below. The existing copper line currently runs from here, along the gable end wall, around the corner and then down the back wall of the house and into the study at the rear left of the house near ground level (the green lines on the pictures below). All of this line is currently behind a layer of rendering, so you can't see it at all.
As I understand it, the new fibre cable will follow the same line from the pole to the front left soffit. From there, how will Open Reach run the line to the study at the rear of the house? Ideally, I'd like the new line (which will be a black cable presumably) to follow the gable roof line on the soffit close to the underside of the tiles, then around the corner and down the back wall behind a drainpipe in the corner (the red lines on the images below) so that the cable run is as well disguised as possible. The house is rendered white with white soffits and gutters, so the idea of a black cable just tacked, mid height onto the gable wall wherever it's easiest for them to fix it, is not going to be acceptable to me from a visual perspective. I have also heard that the fibre line from the pole to the entry point into the house can't go around any tight corners or right angles, so if that's true not even sure how it would be possible to get the line from the front of the house to the back where the existing router and phone socket is located as it would have to turn several tight corners to get there as can be seen from the pictures. Alternatively, could the line be run internally - from the front soffit into the attic space and then back through the underside of the soffit at the back of the house negating the need for any external cable along the side of the house and around the corner to the back?
There doesn't seem to be any way to contact Open Reach prior to installation to get someone to do a feasibility study, I just have to sign up for a full fibre deal with BT and they will book Open Reach for the installation on a date I can choose. Obviously, I'm a bit reluctant to do this until I have a better idea of how the line can be run from the front to back of the house, so any advice or experience others have had would be most appreciated.
I'm wondering if it's possible to get another company (not Open Reach) to run the cable along the route I desire (external or internal) from the entry point into the study on the back wall to the front soffit in advance and then for Open Reach to simply take this line to the pole and then make all the connections?
Edited by blade runner on Thursday 2nd May 13:06
LaserTam said:
Just had fibre installed and this first box (not the ONT) was installed in the garage, I didnt ask for this, they suggested it.
Thanks for the insight. Going through the garage would be the best solution if possible for me. Looks like external fix following the roof line is not possible and the loft space is a nightmare to access due to very shallow roof pitch. I can pretty much hide the cable behind a drainpipe at the front of the house and then through the wall into the garage and into the house from there. As long as Open Reach don't insist the first (external) box is on the outside, then this should be an easy install for them. Gassing Station | Homes, Gardens and DIY | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff