Dogs fighting - decision time.
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King Herald said:
bexVN said:
ikarl said:
King Herald said:
If they do kick off and I am there a swift kick to the guts usually wakes them up and reminds them who is really the boss.
Agree with this in the most.....my neighbour took a swing at her dog the other day because it went for another dog, it's not been away from her side since. Dogs need to know who's bossso called said:
Yes, sorry, reads quite badly. What I was trying to say is that I will be following as advised above and won't be getting between them in future.
A hard slap doesn't really register with a bulldog. They tend to look over their shoulder at you with a 'what do you want' expression.
The sadness of the situation is that both dogs are very affectionate and a pleasure to be with when all's well.
The bulldog, without the dominance challenge from another dog, I'm sure would make someone a great companion, as with our previous bulldog.
The trainer is coming round in a few days for a chat.
As said, options are very limited.
A hard slap doesn't really register with a bulldog. They tend to look over their shoulder at you with a 'what do you want' expression.
The sadness of the situation is that both dogs are very affectionate and a pleasure to be with when all's well.
The bulldog, without the dominance challenge from another dog, I'm sure would make someone a great companion, as with our previous bulldog.
The trainer is coming round in a few days for a chat.
As said, options are very limited.
The dogs have given you a rough deal and you're dealing with it in the right manner. You have to decide whether you'll be successful or not.
I think you'll probably be able to break the behaviour and implement sufficient control measures to prevent future episodes............but, at what cost? Dealing with aggression in a family environment can be very difficult due to different people doing different things, lots of distractions, children etc. and can become very stressful. The fewer people dealing with a problem dog, the better (assuming they're doing the right thing of course).
If you think rehoming is the best option, then a professional organisation might be best. They'll assess and work with the dog, then find a suitable home. Bulldogs have no trouble being rehomed.
All the best.
bexVN said:
King Herald said:
bexVN said:
ikarl said:
King Herald said:
If they do kick off and I am there a swift kick to the guts usually wakes them up and reminds them who is really the boss.
Agree with this in the most.....my neighbour took a swing at her dog the other day because it went for another dog, it's not been away from her side since. Dogs need to know who's bossIf the dogs are biting the OP and his family members then it's pretty serious.
lovechild said:
I assume we're talking about a high enough level of aggression that a gentle kick with a flip flop would have no effect. Sometimes people mistake an altercation as a full on fight......
Look at some of the scars our mutts carry, and judge whether it was a full on fight. 
We've had two of them to the vet before, for stitches. I'd probably get bitten too, were I to do something like step between them, or try to physically pull them apart.
King Herald said:
I'd probably get bitten too, were I to do something like step between them, or try to physically pull them apart.
I've split two dogs up before now (someone unfortunately brought a b**h to our house whilst our b***h was in season and they had been told not to. Shock of the day, a scrap erupted). I went in hard and fast and removed my dog by the scruff of her neck, putting myself between the two dogs. Oh, these dogs are 9 stone as well. It was a risk but I wasn't going to allow them to fight it out, I wanted to ensure no dogs got hurt badly.ikarl said:
Agree with this in the most.....my neighbour took a swing at her dog the other day because it went for another dog, it's not been away from her side since. Dogs need to know who's boss
Mate, you are pushing my patience. You are clearly a dog hater, so in simple words that you may just understand - why dont you just f
k off ???You are not welcome here.
Turn7 said:
ikarl said:
Agree with this in the most.....my neighbour took a swing at her dog the other day because it went for another dog, it's not been away from her side since. Dogs need to know who's boss
Mate, you are pushing my patience. You are clearly a dog hater, so in simple words that you may just understand - why dont you just fk off ???You are not welcome here.
If you have read all of the comments then you will see a broad spectrum of views on my situation and of dog control and all voiced respectfully.
I certainly don't disagree that dogs need to know who's boss, which I believe is the one common theme.
It's how to go about it that differs.
If you have a construction opinion on dog training, control or maybe my situation, its more than welcome.
Edited by so called on Monday 29th December 22:56
King Herald said:
Look at some of the scars our mutts carry, and judge whether it was a full on fight. We've had two of them to the vet before, for stitches.
I'd probably get bitten too, were I to do something like step between them, or try to physically pull them apart.
Fair enough. Apologies if I took your kick in the guts comment out of context. We've had two of them to the vet before, for stitches. I'd probably get bitten too, were I to do something like step between them, or try to physically pull them apart.
I don't necessarily judge the severity of the fight by the subsequent injuries though. As we know it's very easy for any dog to do damage to another. If they can be distracted from fighting by a fairly innocuous rebuke, then to my mind they're not really in the zone (a trait in Bull breeds).
If the dog has turned and bitten the OP then, to my mind, it was in the zone and to fight with that level of aggression is a habit that needs to be avoided.
KFC said:
I work in dog rescue. This dog would be a serious candidate for being put down. Its going to be a nightmare to rehome legitimately.
I have two rescue dogs with history of biting and we were their last hope.They have been wonderful with us but they never run off the lead and we don't let visitors see them.
It can be done but it can also depend on where the aggression comes from. One was fear aggression she was so scared of everything all she knew was lashing out. The answer for her was to exercise the s
t out of her and she is a different dog and we have recently introduced a male puppy with no issues at all.We also have strict rules about getting on furniture and not being allowed on the bedroom etc.
Sorry to go on but I have a real soft spot for problem Dogs.
johnxjsc1985 said:
I have two rescue dogs with history of biting and we were their last hope.
They have been wonderful with us but they never run off the lead and we don't let visitors see them.
It can be done but it can also depend on where the aggression comes from. One was fear aggression she was so scared of everything all she knew was lashing out. The answer for her was to exercise the st out of her and she is a different dog and we have recently introduced a male puppy with no issues at all.
We also have strict rules about getting on furniture and not being allowed on the bedroom etc.
Sorry to go on but I have a real soft spot for problem Dogs.
Yes, but with all due respect to other people posting you sound like you have more experience in dealing with sThey have been wonderful with us but they never run off the lead and we don't let visitors see them.
It can be done but it can also depend on where the aggression comes from. One was fear aggression she was so scared of everything all she knew was lashing out. The answer for her was to exercise the s
t out of her and she is a different dog and we have recently introduced a male puppy with no issues at all.We also have strict rules about getting on furniture and not being allowed on the bedroom etc.
Sorry to go on but I have a real soft spot for problem Dogs.
t like this than your typical "I'm here for a pet" dog adopter Its hard to find people to deal with 'problem' dogs. We struggle - and often the people who do want a rottweiler thats known for biting end up being a bloke living in a 3rd floor council flat with a dubious record with the local police...
zygalski said:
Aah, the classical English countryside sound of dogs fighting in a back garden at all hours.
Thread title should be changed.... Kings of the Council Estate.
What an odd thing to say.Thread title should be changed.... Kings of the Council Estate.
OP has a problem, so being a responsible owner is seeking advice and employing a professional to help. What that has to do with council estates I don't know.
Yobs and their status dogs are a problem, and the majority of our dogs are Bull breeds. We take great care in finding suitable owners for our dogs though, so owning a Staffy doesn't automatically make you a chav, quite the opposite in fact.
I too have a soft spot for the problem dogs, which by default tends to be the Bull breeds due to their owners. I, like most on this thread, try to help and alleviate the problem, not cause it.
KFC said:
Yes, but with all due respect to other people posting you sound like you have more experience in dealing with st like this than your typical "I'm here for a pet" dog adopter
Its hard to find people to deal with 'problem' dogs. We struggle - and often the people who do want a rottweiler thats known for biting end up being a bloke living in a 3rd floor council flat with a dubious record with the local police...
I am not a guru Dogs are simple creatures with basic needs and I understand what you are saying but patience and consistency go a long way to making a happy Dog. I would never advocate hitting a Dog that really will not help.t like this than your typical "I'm here for a pet" dog adopter Its hard to find people to deal with 'problem' dogs. We struggle - and often the people who do want a rottweiler thats known for biting end up being a bloke living in a 3rd floor council flat with a dubious record with the local police...
The OP may have two Dogs that will just not get on together and the right decision will be to split them up.
It may well be worth getting in touch with the RSPCA they may have a Dog behaviourist available.
Good luck to the OP
lovechild said:
What an odd thing to say.
OP has a problem, so being a responsible owner is seeking advice and employing a professional to help. What that has to do with council estates I don't know.
Yobs and their status dogs are a problem, and the majority of our dogs are Bull breeds. We take great care in finding suitable owners for our dogs though, so owning a Staffy doesn't automatically make you a chav, quite the opposite in fact.
I too have a soft spot for the problem dogs, which by default tends to be the Bull breeds due to their owners. I, like most on this thread, try to help and alleviate the problem, not cause it.
must admit I was wondering what council estates have to do with anythingOP has a problem, so being a responsible owner is seeking advice and employing a professional to help. What that has to do with council estates I don't know.
Yobs and their status dogs are a problem, and the majority of our dogs are Bull breeds. We take great care in finding suitable owners for our dogs though, so owning a Staffy doesn't automatically make you a chav, quite the opposite in fact.
I too have a soft spot for the problem dogs, which by default tends to be the Bull breeds due to their owners. I, like most on this thread, try to help and alleviate the problem, not cause it.
Hooli said:
lovechild said:
Jasandjules said:
If you are rehoming a bulldog, I suspect there will be a fair few people quite happy to take him off your hands and give him a home with no children/dogs.
100%
Does he get on with b
hes?Apart from the Bulldog and Hus/Mal, we have a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel who is seen by the two muscle dogs as the leader of their little clan.
A few weeks back we lost our sweet little girl CKCS after 10 years. The two young dogs gave her a little too much attention but I would say yes he was fine with a female of the species around.
Our past experience of having a dog and a b
h has been without problems other than lots of yappy pups 
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