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Youforreal. said:
Anyone assuming that any large breed dog is just your big fluffy pal that would never do any wrong without the proper direction and upbringing is also an idiot.
Exactly. Almost like they need professional trainers before we allow them into society, which obviously is not possible or practical, and even then, they can still end up in a bad environment. They are inherently risky because they are so powerful. We can't ban all big and powerful breeds just because they are big and powerful, but we can take a risk based approach and if we see certain breeds, oooh like Bully XL's, that are more likely to cause death and destruction, ban those. If other breeds pop into the top murder slot, ban those too. Seems pragmatic to me.LRDefender said:
bennno said:
Youforreal. said:
bennno said:
Youforreal. said:
I wouldn’t bother trying to be logical about this, the napalm brigade will never listen to any of it.
Are the napalm brigade those daft idiots who think the dog breed might be somewhat / inherently dangerous?Do you think that banning 1 breed at a time will stop this problem from occurring again?
There are multiple powerful cross breeds being over bred by people who don't care about dogs. To stop this do you think we should go after the dogs or the bad breeders that create these poor dogs?
To create a powerful & potentially aggressive dog you don't necessarily need to cross a Rottie with a Dogo Argentino. Ask yourself, will a Labrador crossed with a Patterdale have the potential to inflict serious amounts of damage to a person if in the wrong hands? How many dogs will we need to ban before there is zero risk?
Watch the Panorama video....
In all honesty, no matter the amount of education, no matter the amount of legislation, no matter the breed of dog etc, some human filth will just continue to ruin everything they touch, they just can’t help themselves.
The only reason it’s bullies is because that’s the flavour that’s preferred by the thug life, how do you really think it’s going go for the dog????
The stats say that less than 0.5% of bullies in the UK have killed, anyone who doesn’t think the way the dog was brought up and the environment that it lived in has nothing to do with the reason behind its attack really needs to take the blinkers off.
These dogs are very powerful and generally have a prey drive, that doesn’t make them killers but it does make them a dog for a very responsible owner.
Edited by Youforreal. on Thursday 4th January 14:07
Zoon said:
LRDefender said:
Were the majority of them from normal family breeders?
I thought the owners were the problem, not the breeders?Maybe you should watch the Panorama video if you haven't already done so.
bmwmike said:
Exactly. Almost like they need professional trainers before we allow them into society, which obviously is not possible or practical, and even then, they can still end up in a bad environment. They are inherently risky because they are so powerful. We can't ban all big and powerful breeds just because they are big and powerful, but we can take a risk based approach and if we see certain breeds, oooh like Bully XL's, that are more likely to cause death and destruction, ban those. If other breeds pop into the top murder slot, ban those too. Seems pragmatic to me.
The XL Bully isn't really a pure breed IMO, it's a cross between a handful of breeds. A pitbull, another cross breed isn't a particularly big dog, especially a game pitbull. Banning each cross breed as they become bigger and more powerful isn't really addressing the problem in a proactive way but is somewhat reactive, especially as it probably takes the death or serious injury of humans before action is taken. Do you think that is really the best and only way forward?
LRDefender said:
There is a link further back in this thread that demonstrates how breeders used a known damaged dog to breed XL Bullies. This dog was known for its aggression but still breeders used its bloodline to breed from, especially in the U.K. Irresponsible owners also need to accept their part in this too.
Maybe you should watch the Panorama video if you haven't already done so.
I'm not defending the dogs or the breeders.Maybe you should watch the Panorama video if you haven't already done so.
I don't need to watch panorama to know that these are dangerous aggressive dogs, which can be further enhanced in the wrong ownership.
LRDefender said:
bmwmike said:
Exactly. Almost like they need professional trainers before we allow them into society, which obviously is not possible or practical, and even then, they can still end up in a bad environment. They are inherently risky because they are so powerful. We can't ban all big and powerful breeds just because they are big and powerful, but we can take a risk based approach and if we see certain breeds, oooh like Bully XL's, that are more likely to cause death and destruction, ban those. If other breeds pop into the top murder slot, ban those too. Seems pragmatic to me.
The XL Bully isn't really a pure breed IMO, it's a cross between a handful of breeds. A pitbull, another cross breed isn't a particularly big dog, especially a game pitbull. Banning each cross breed as they become bigger and more powerful isn't really addressing the problem in a proactive way but is somewhat reactive, especially as it probably takes the death or serious injury of humans before action is taken. Do you think that is really the best and only way forward?
bmwmike said:
LRDefender said:
bmwmike said:
Exactly. Almost like they need professional trainers before we allow them into society, which obviously is not possible or practical, and even then, they can still end up in a bad environment. They are inherently risky because they are so powerful. We can't ban all big and powerful breeds just because they are big and powerful, but we can take a risk based approach and if we see certain breeds, oooh like Bully XL's, that are more likely to cause death and destruction, ban those. If other breeds pop into the top murder slot, ban those too. Seems pragmatic to me.
The XL Bully isn't really a pure breed IMO, it's a cross between a handful of breeds. A pitbull, another cross breed isn't a particularly big dog, especially a game pitbull. Banning each cross breed as they become bigger and more powerful isn't really addressing the problem in a proactive way but is somewhat reactive, especially as it probably takes the death or serious injury of humans before action is taken. Do you think that is really the best and only way forward?
It does appear that you suggest that "if other breeds" get to the number 1 spot in the murder charts then ban it (apologies if I misinterpreted your statement). I would prefer this issue is dealt with in a meaningful way before we need to start looking at what breed of dog is top of the charts, especially as the current method is bobbins IMO!
LRDefender said:
My bold ^^
It does appear that you suggest that "if other breeds" get to the number 1 spot in the murder charts then ban it (apologies if I misinterpreted your statement). I would prefer this issue is dealt with in a meaningful way before we need to start looking at what breed of dog is top of the charts, especially as the current method is bobbins IMO!
Right, but I didn't say it was "the best and only way" forward. It does appear that you suggest that "if other breeds" get to the number 1 spot in the murder charts then ban it (apologies if I misinterpreted your statement). I would prefer this issue is dealt with in a meaningful way before we need to start looking at what breed of dog is top of the charts, especially as the current method is bobbins IMO!
Obviously a solution requires doing more than one thing. Getting rid of high risk dogs is one thing. Sorting out regulations around breeding is another. Harsher penalties for irresponsible dog owners is another. Licensing may form part of a solution.
rossub said:
Keep seeing news stories about these bloody things getting relocated to Scotland.
If the SNP don't pull their finger out and replicate the 'ban', there's going to be some serious anger up here.
I know of 1 that has shown up in Aberdeenshire If the SNP don't pull their finger out and replicate the 'ban', there's going to be some serious anger up here.
Young person living alone witha small dog already and a toddler in the household before it arrived
Hopefully everything works out ok
alabbasi said:
I never had a problem introducing my pit bull into a house with two other small dogs. He became very vets to them.
maybe your pit bull isn't the problem maybe its a dog that is mostly unwanted, untrained and brought into a strange environment?Small dogs are unlikely to compete with a pit bull, so generally they are not an issue, that's a generalisation which I am aware of.
Thevet said:
maybe your pit bull isn't the problem maybe its a dog that is mostly unwanted, untrained and brought into a strange environment?
Small dogs are unlikely to compete with a pit bull, so generally they are not an issue, that's a generalisation which I am aware of.
My pit bull was a street dog. I found him in an industrial part of town where I had my hobby shop at the time. He settled in pretty well with the two min pins that I had but did give me problems until a couple of years later when I bought the mastiff mix home who was also found in the same area. The pit bull was heartworm +ve when I got him so I was advised against neutering him after his treatment. I did get him neutered a couple of years later which I think helped with his aggression towards the mastiff mix. You couldn't separate them after. Small dogs are unlikely to compete with a pit bull, so generally they are not an issue, that's a generalisation which I am aware of.
I suspect that a lot of these issues would go away if people spay and neuter their dogs. If they pick up the scent of a female on heat, they can become hard to manage.
Edited by alabbasi on Sunday 7th January 07:49
Hints of backtracking from the Scottish Government now, with some media reporting that they may follow the UK Government with the ban. Sadly if this happens it is after lots of dogs have and whole litters of puppys have been brought across the border, so not only has delaying the ban potentially endangered the people of Scotland, the Scottish taxpayer will have to pick up the tab for putting more of these dogs down than would have been the case if they had just agreed to implement the ban at the same time as England and Wales. And we will have higher residual population of these beasts as well. Good Government.
There will be a lot of gnashing of teeth of the people who've spent the last few months bringing these dogs across the border and pontificating on Facebook as "fur baby" saviours.
There will be a lot of gnashing of teeth of the people who've spent the last few months bringing these dogs across the border and pontificating on Facebook as "fur baby" saviours.
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