Would you report a family member for benefit fraud?
Poll: Would you report a family member for benefit fraud?
Total Members Polled: 320
Discussion
Shaolin said:
BliarOut said:
Ah, so you're the ones who would report your own mothers then?
Nice.
Never an issue having a mother who was totally honest and not a cheat in any way. See my post above.Nice.
When i was younger about 17 (i think) i was working through a employment agency for a well known cereal company. I worked nights and the work was not steady i was claiming JSA at the same time. After 3 weeks i proved myself and got the full 40 hours a week. I still claimed JSA for about 8 weeks in total, i did end up getting caught just by my own stupidity really. I don't think anyone shopped me, they had records of my hours and payslips before they even summonsed me to the interview room.
I admit that what i done was probably not the best thing to do and i paid for it in the end to the tune of £1000.
Needless to say i won't be doing that again.
They will be caught in the end and the longer they do it the more they will pay for it.
I had to agree to pay an extra 17.5% on top of the final repayment or they could choose to still take me to court and have me convicted of fraud.
I admit that what i done was probably not the best thing to do and i paid for it in the end to the tune of £1000.
Needless to say i won't be doing that again.
They will be caught in the end and the longer they do it the more they will pay for it.
I had to agree to pay an extra 17.5% on top of the final repayment or they could choose to still take me to court and have me convicted of fraud.
cal72 said:
I would grass everbody i know who was cheating, family or not.
This. Enough of the "It's OK cause it's family" crowd, If it's wrong it's wrong, makes not the slightest bit of difference if it's your mum, your nan or whatever.. Just because 'you know them' doesn't make them above the law.
oOTomOo said:
BliarOut said:
Shaolin said:
BliarOut said:
Ah, so you're the ones who would report your own mothers then?
Nice.
Never an issue having a mother who was totally honest and not a cheat in any way. See my post above.Nice.
Next?
You see I would probably use it too, but not against your poor old mum.
BliarOut said:
You really do meet a better class of person on the internet... 
So you genuinely believe your loyalties to the state are more important than those to your mum? Jesus, I bet she's real proud of you...
How far does your loyalty go?So you genuinely believe your loyalties to the state are more important than those to your mum? Jesus, I bet she's real proud of you...
Parents?
Siblings?
Aunts/Uncles/Cousins?
Friends?
Friends of friends?
Local community?
Anyone who isn't "the state"?
Fortunately my family aren't criminals so I don't need to navigate this treacherous moral maze.
ewenm said:
BliarOut said:
You really do meet a better class of person on the internet...
So you genuinely believe your loyalties to the state are more important than those to your mum? Jesus, I bet she's real proud of you...
How far does your loyalty go?So you genuinely believe your loyalties to the state are more important than those to your mum? Jesus, I bet she's real proud of you...
Parents?
Siblings?
Aunts/Uncles/Cousins?
Friends?
Friends of friends?
Local community?
Anyone who isn't "the state"?
Fortunately my family aren't criminals so I don't need to navigate this treacherous moral maze.
BliarOut said:
oOTomOo said:
BliarOut said:
Shaolin said:
BliarOut said:
Ah, so you're the ones who would report your own mothers then?
Nice.
Never an issue having a mother who was totally honest and not a cheat in any way. See my post above.Nice.
Next?
You see I would probably use it too, but not against your poor old mum.
Benefit Fraud..
Bank robbery?
What's a bit of murder between friends?
Where do you draw the line?
ewenm said:
BliarOut said:
You really do meet a better class of person on the internet...
So you genuinely believe your loyalties to the state are more important than those to your mum? Jesus, I bet she's real proud of you...
How far does your loyalty go?So you genuinely believe your loyalties to the state are more important than those to your mum? Jesus, I bet she's real proud of you...
Parents?
Siblings?
Aunts/Uncles/Cousins?
Friends?
Friends of friends?
Local community?
Anyone who isn't "the state"?
Fortunately my family aren't criminals so I don't need to navigate this treacherous moral maze.
Mine aren't, in fact if I found out they had been done for anything less than embezzling a few million I'd be sorely disappointed in them
I don't understand how all the scroungers manage to make it pay. Since i got laid off a few weeks back i went to the job center to sign on about a week ago, The system is quite blatantly broken.
However, I can now fully understand why some people do whatever cash in hand jobs they can find to top up JSA.
As an example, Because my Mrs is getting basic Maternity allowance (£124 a week - Don't get anywhere near her full wage as she doesnt qualify for normal maternity pay) I don't qualify for benefits, Because they say a Couple with a newborn only requires £120 a week to live off (And we only require £100 a week before the baby is born!) - Housing benefits will also pay no more than £200 towards the rent, Based on this assumption aswell. £240/month after rent + council tax. This is not going to go very far paying bills and buying food for us now, let alone in a months time when we add Nappies and baby formula to the list!.
Luckily, I have an interview lined up tomorrow and theres absolutely no reason i shouldn't get the job as they're hiring quite a few lads, and i'm fully qualified and was working on the contract they're hiring for before they was awarded it.
The whole debacle does make me wonder why i bothered paying any of my tax since leaving school though, It just seems to of paid for bottles of white lightening for the useless sponges who know how to screw the system at one end, And moat cleaning for the useless sponges who are screwing it at the other.
However, I can now fully understand why some people do whatever cash in hand jobs they can find to top up JSA.
As an example, Because my Mrs is getting basic Maternity allowance (£124 a week - Don't get anywhere near her full wage as she doesnt qualify for normal maternity pay) I don't qualify for benefits, Because they say a Couple with a newborn only requires £120 a week to live off (And we only require £100 a week before the baby is born!) - Housing benefits will also pay no more than £200 towards the rent, Based on this assumption aswell. £240/month after rent + council tax. This is not going to go very far paying bills and buying food for us now, let alone in a months time when we add Nappies and baby formula to the list!.
Luckily, I have an interview lined up tomorrow and theres absolutely no reason i shouldn't get the job as they're hiring quite a few lads, and i'm fully qualified and was working on the contract they're hiring for before they was awarded it.
The whole debacle does make me wonder why i bothered paying any of my tax since leaving school though, It just seems to of paid for bottles of white lightening for the useless sponges who know how to screw the system at one end, And moat cleaning for the useless sponges who are screwing it at the other.
Would I report a family member for benefit fraud?
Well, I wouldn't just phone the hotline in a fit of rage. What I would do is to talk to the person involved and work it out. Maybe there is something behind it, money problems etc, but if its just a mistake then it can be easily resolved. If its a concerted attempt to defraud the system, then that is stealing from everyone (you and me) and hence its wrong (and illegal). I would do everything that I could before resorting to the 'last resort'.
Should all else fail, I would report them - its wrong and takes money from those who actually need it. There are plenty of people out there who need our help, assistance and money - those who 'have' shouldnt be dipping into the system to feed their own personal requirements.
Ok, and with regards to the other comments about standing up to criminality etc - I have done in the past, I will continue to do so in the future. Maybe I am some sort of freak and opening myself to abuse, but I have done it in the past and I would do it again.
Well, I wouldn't just phone the hotline in a fit of rage. What I would do is to talk to the person involved and work it out. Maybe there is something behind it, money problems etc, but if its just a mistake then it can be easily resolved. If its a concerted attempt to defraud the system, then that is stealing from everyone (you and me) and hence its wrong (and illegal). I would do everything that I could before resorting to the 'last resort'.
Should all else fail, I would report them - its wrong and takes money from those who actually need it. There are plenty of people out there who need our help, assistance and money - those who 'have' shouldnt be dipping into the system to feed their own personal requirements.
Ok, and with regards to the other comments about standing up to criminality etc - I have done in the past, I will continue to do so in the future. Maybe I am some sort of freak and opening myself to abuse, but I have done it in the past and I would do it again.
Benefit fraud is one of the things about the UK that really annoys me. I have one neighbour who had spent the last 18months caring for her dying partner, obviously until he died. But I also have another who has never worked.
Her whole life for 18 months was about her partner and now she's struggling to cope, and to be honest I can see her hitting the bottle. I've seen this happen before and cannot witness the lies and deceit that goes along with alcoholism for a second time. For the last five months I've been making sure she eats and doing my best to try and make sure she dosn't end up on a liquid diet, although "I'm not her keeper". In my opinion there seems to be a distinct lack of support before and after her partner died, from her family and the benefits system.
Now the other guy has a business in "knock off" goods, dosn't work and has savings he's clearly not declared to the Department of Work & Pensions. He claims incapacity benefit for anxiety and depression yet party's until 4am most weeknights. He'll of been on holiday three times in six weeks, I've not been on holiday once this year apart from a camping trip with my mates and a bike rally, I've have never claimed any form of benefits in my life. To be honest I'd clean pub toilets if it was a job!
I live in a block of privately rented flats and have even got to the point of reporting him to the Environmental Health with the view of awarding him the golden ASBO medal, but unfortunately they need your details for proceedings, and I don't want comeback on me or my possesions!
Luckily the DWP allow you to report people anonomously on their website, which I felt was my duty, the guy is a professional scrounger. I would welcome the chance to see him kicked out and made to pay every penny back to the state. Although this guy isn't a family member, it is the principal of benefit theft that I dislike. Old people require benefits, disabled people require benefits, carers require benefits but scroungers which just get a doctors note when they're doing better than most of us, do not need benefits.
But this is the otherside of the coin, I really think these welfare officers should be clamping down on the Doctor's who sign people onto benefits system when they're perfectly well, all they do is put on a bit of an act and get free living. Last time I was at a the Doctors an old man jogged past me on the way to the surgery with his walking stick in one hand, as soon as he got in he started walking around like he was in utter pain and hobbling round.
This in my opinion is morally wrong, so if a family member were to claim benefits for a prolonged time, when they didn't really require them, then yes I'd report them. The regular worker's with a degree of moral principle has to pay for them. At the end of the day, and there are far more people who actually need them!
Thank f
k I move out in November!
Her whole life for 18 months was about her partner and now she's struggling to cope, and to be honest I can see her hitting the bottle. I've seen this happen before and cannot witness the lies and deceit that goes along with alcoholism for a second time. For the last five months I've been making sure she eats and doing my best to try and make sure she dosn't end up on a liquid diet, although "I'm not her keeper". In my opinion there seems to be a distinct lack of support before and after her partner died, from her family and the benefits system.
Now the other guy has a business in "knock off" goods, dosn't work and has savings he's clearly not declared to the Department of Work & Pensions. He claims incapacity benefit for anxiety and depression yet party's until 4am most weeknights. He'll of been on holiday three times in six weeks, I've not been on holiday once this year apart from a camping trip with my mates and a bike rally, I've have never claimed any form of benefits in my life. To be honest I'd clean pub toilets if it was a job!
I live in a block of privately rented flats and have even got to the point of reporting him to the Environmental Health with the view of awarding him the golden ASBO medal, but unfortunately they need your details for proceedings, and I don't want comeback on me or my possesions!
Luckily the DWP allow you to report people anonomously on their website, which I felt was my duty, the guy is a professional scrounger. I would welcome the chance to see him kicked out and made to pay every penny back to the state. Although this guy isn't a family member, it is the principal of benefit theft that I dislike. Old people require benefits, disabled people require benefits, carers require benefits but scroungers which just get a doctors note when they're doing better than most of us, do not need benefits.
But this is the otherside of the coin, I really think these welfare officers should be clamping down on the Doctor's who sign people onto benefits system when they're perfectly well, all they do is put on a bit of an act and get free living. Last time I was at a the Doctors an old man jogged past me on the way to the surgery with his walking stick in one hand, as soon as he got in he started walking around like he was in utter pain and hobbling round.
This in my opinion is morally wrong, so if a family member were to claim benefits for a prolonged time, when they didn't really require them, then yes I'd report them. The regular worker's with a degree of moral principle has to pay for them. At the end of the day, and there are far more people who actually need them!
Thank f
k I move out in November!
Snoop Bagg said:
Benefit fraud is one of the things about the UK that really annoys me. I have one neighbour who had spent the last 18months caring for her dying partner, obviously until he died. But I also have another who has never worked.
Her whole life for 18 months was about her partner and now she's struggling to cope, and to be honest I can see her hitting the bottle. I've seen this happen before and cannot witness the lies and deceit that goes along with alcoholism for a second time. For the last five months I've been making sure she eats and doing my best to try and make sure she dosn't end up on a liquid diet, although "I'm not her keeper". In my opinion there seems to be a distinct lack of support before and after her partner died, from her family and the benefits system.
Now the other guy has a business in "knock off" goods, dosn't work and has savings he's clearly not declared to the Department of Work & Pensions. He claims incapacity benefit for anxiety and depression yet party's until 4am most weeknights. He'll of been on holiday three times in six weeks, I've not been on holiday once this year apart from a camping trip with my mates and a bike rally, I've have never claimed any form of benefits in my life. To be honest I'd clean pub toilets if it was a job!
I live in a block of privately rented flats and have even got to the point of reporting him to the Environmental Health with the view of awarding him the golden ASBO medal, but unfortunately they need your details for proceedings, and I don't want comeback on me or my possesions!
Luckily the DWP allow you to report people anonomously on their website, which I felt was my duty, the guy is a professional scrounger. I would welcome the chance to see him kicked out and made to pay every penny back to the state. Although this guy isn't a family member, it is the principal of benefit theft that I dislike. Old people require benefits, disabled people require benefits, carers require benefits but scroungers which just get a doctors note when they're doing better than most of us, do not need benefits.
But this is the otherside of the coin, I really think these welfare officers should be clamping down on the Doctor's who sign people onto benefits system when they're perfectly well, all they do is put on a bit of an act and get free living. Last time I was at a the Doctors an old man jogged past me on the way to the surgery with his walking stick in one hand, as soon as he got in he started walking around like he was in utter pain and hobbling round.
This in my opinion is morally wrong, so if a family member were to claim benefits for a prolonged time, when they didn't really require them, then yes I'd report them. The regular worker's with a degree of moral principle has to pay for them. At the end of the day, and there are far more people who actually need them!
Thank fk I move out in November!
Her whole life for 18 months was about her partner and now she's struggling to cope, and to be honest I can see her hitting the bottle. I've seen this happen before and cannot witness the lies and deceit that goes along with alcoholism for a second time. For the last five months I've been making sure she eats and doing my best to try and make sure she dosn't end up on a liquid diet, although "I'm not her keeper". In my opinion there seems to be a distinct lack of support before and after her partner died, from her family and the benefits system.
Now the other guy has a business in "knock off" goods, dosn't work and has savings he's clearly not declared to the Department of Work & Pensions. He claims incapacity benefit for anxiety and depression yet party's until 4am most weeknights. He'll of been on holiday three times in six weeks, I've not been on holiday once this year apart from a camping trip with my mates and a bike rally, I've have never claimed any form of benefits in my life. To be honest I'd clean pub toilets if it was a job!
I live in a block of privately rented flats and have even got to the point of reporting him to the Environmental Health with the view of awarding him the golden ASBO medal, but unfortunately they need your details for proceedings, and I don't want comeback on me or my possesions!
Luckily the DWP allow you to report people anonomously on their website, which I felt was my duty, the guy is a professional scrounger. I would welcome the chance to see him kicked out and made to pay every penny back to the state. Although this guy isn't a family member, it is the principal of benefit theft that I dislike. Old people require benefits, disabled people require benefits, carers require benefits but scroungers which just get a doctors note when they're doing better than most of us, do not need benefits.
But this is the otherside of the coin, I really think these welfare officers should be clamping down on the Doctor's who sign people onto benefits system when they're perfectly well, all they do is put on a bit of an act and get free living. Last time I was at a the Doctors an old man jogged past me on the way to the surgery with his walking stick in one hand, as soon as he got in he started walking around like he was in utter pain and hobbling round.
This in my opinion is morally wrong, so if a family member were to claim benefits for a prolonged time, when they didn't really require them, then yes I'd report them. The regular worker's with a degree of moral principle has to pay for them. At the end of the day, and there are far more people who actually need them!
Thank f
k I move out in November!
Anyone catch the interview on calendar(yorkshire area) news last night?
A single mum who works and benifits topped up and a couple that both claim he was on incapacity and she claimed as his carer. there was one part i heard her say "a ps3 is £400 and how am i going to get that now"
You maybe able to see it on itv player i am not sure, but i did have a outburst when i saw it.
A single mum who works and benifits topped up and a couple that both claim he was on incapacity and she claimed as his carer. there was one part i heard her say "a ps3 is £400 and how am i going to get that now"
You maybe able to see it on itv player i am not sure, but i did have a outburst when i saw it.
cal72 said:
Anyone catch the interview on calendar(yorkshire area) news last night?
A single mum who works and benifits topped up and a couple that both claim he was on incapacity and she claimed as his carer. there was one part i heard her say "a ps3 is £400 and how am i going to get that now"
You maybe able to see it on itv player i am not sure, but i did have a outburst when i saw it.
I don't think I could watch it.A single mum who works and benifits topped up and a couple that both claim he was on incapacity and she claimed as his carer. there was one part i heard her say "a ps3 is £400 and how am i going to get that now"
You maybe able to see it on itv player i am not sure, but i did have a outburst when i saw it.
CrashTD said:
Cash in Hand and screw the taxman I can deal with.
Cash in hand & JSA I cant.
Recently disowned a friend over this. Told him to come back when he is no longer a parasite.
The thing is a cash in hand and screw the taxman can be several thousands of pounds a year.Cash in hand & JSA I cant.
Recently disowned a friend over this. Told him to come back when he is no longer a parasite.
Cash in hand and JSA is the norm for a lot of people, I may have popped round my parents a mowed the lawn and had £50 pressed into my hand, or done a favour for my FIL checking an engineering drawing over for obvious mistakes and had some cash chucked my way. I was speaking to a friend who said another of our friends had been told by the job centre that they didn't care how much he earn't provided he declared the £100 he was entitled to earn before his benefits got impacted, but then the difference between the £100 and what he earnt was only about £50.
There is benefit fraud and benefit fraud, if it is a small amount and short term run up to Christmas need a little extra cash for example that's one thing funding a mega lifestyle is another.
kentmotorcompany said:
My main point is this:
Its the job of the people administering our tax money to take away the opportunity to defraud the system, as there will always be people who are willing to try it on.
Much the same as it should be the rich knobs responsibility to make their houses burglar proof, as there will always be people who are willing to try it on? Its the job of the people administering our tax money to take away the opportunity to defraud the system, as there will always be people who are willing to try it on.
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