Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?

Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?

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Gordon Hill

2,412 posts

30 months

Saturday 11th May 2024
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ben5575 said:
Tankrizzo said:
Legacywr said:
The common denominator for being a CT is arrogance, they all have it.
Absolutely this, you can see it on threads like the Covid one. It's not enough that they see "the truth", everyone else must be stupid sheep too. Just a seriously misplaced superiority complex.
That works both ways of course.

Taking the so far sensible isaldiri/740 conversation above. Yes of course public health messaging had to be simple stupid - trying to herd 68 million people to point in the same direction was no mean feat. But it wasn't always accurate - there simply wasn't the bandwidth for it to be nuanced.

Any sensible person can understand this and the rationale for doing it. That doesn't make you a CT, nor does it make you arrogant.

And yet when people pointed this out at the time, the absolutist vitriol on here was absurd. It was like trying to have conversations with zealots - people with 'a seriously misplaced superiority complex'
A bit like trying to have a conversation with an EVangelist then.

DonkeyApple

62,608 posts

184 months

Sunday 12th May 2024
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I've just been at the Ring for a few days and while there happened to look up and notice quite a few contrails overhead. I happened to mention this out loud whereupon it was pointed out to me that there had been a rebranding event to make them sound a bit more cool and that I should now refer to them as Chemtrails. Which is clearly absolutely fine and I have no issue with how things wish to be identified. What no one could tell me was if there was a pronoun risk with chemtrails that I needed to be aware of in case one is accidentally charged with a hate crime.

Previously I had heard of these chemtrail things but I hadn't realised they were the same as contrails. This was an interesting revelation but lead to a lot of unanswered questions we were all at a loss over.

What is in the chemicals that we are being dozed with? Is it the lizards or Jews who operate the canisters? And what happens to the aircraft when they reach the end of the planet? Do they all end up in space?

Blown2CV

29,702 posts

218 months

Sunday 12th May 2024
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Gordon Hill said:
ben5575 said:
Tankrizzo said:
Legacywr said:
The common denominator for being a CT is arrogance, they all have it.
Absolutely this, you can see it on threads like the Covid one. It's not enough that they see "the truth", everyone else must be stupid sheep too. Just a seriously misplaced superiority complex.
That works both ways of course.

Taking the so far sensible isaldiri/740 conversation above. Yes of course public health messaging had to be simple stupid - trying to herd 68 million people to point in the same direction was no mean feat. But it wasn't always accurate - there simply wasn't the bandwidth for it to be nuanced.

Any sensible person can understand this and the rationale for doing it. That doesn't make you a CT, nor does it make you arrogant.

And yet when people pointed this out at the time, the absolutist vitriol on here was absurd. It was like trying to have conversations with zealots - people with 'a seriously misplaced superiority complex'
A bit like trying to have a conversation with an EVangelist then.
EVangelists sadly don't get booted out or flounce when they infiltrate other threads though ahem leasing deals thread

Notch 8

367 posts

23 months

Sunday 12th May 2024
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DonkeyApple said:
I've just been at the Ring for a few days and while there happened to look up and notice quite a few contrails overhead. I happened to mention this out loud whereupon it was pointed out to me that there had been a rebranding event to make them sound a bit more cool and that I should now refer to them as Chemtrails. Which is clearly absolutely fine and I have no issue with how things wish to be identified. What no one could tell me was if there was a pronoun risk with chemtrails that I needed to be aware of in case one is accidentally charged with a hate crime.

Previously I had heard of these chemtrail things but I hadn't realised they were the same as contrails. This was an interesting revelation but lead to a lot of unanswered questions we were all at a loss over.

What is in the chemicals that we are being dozed with? Is it the lizards or Jews who operate the canisters? And what happens to the aircraft when they reach the end of the planet? Do they all end up in space?
I do wonder whether flat earthers believe that space exists or not.

I’ve seen some claim that the moon is a hologram, and that space is CGI generated!

They can’t explain how we were fooled by space, and how the universe was presented before CGI was a thing though of course.

Thick as mince.


Edited by Notch 8 on Sunday 12th May 12:08

Dagnir

2,116 posts

178 months

Sunday 12th May 2024
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GeneralBanter said:
Just had this notification from Twitter re a daft chemtrail post I responded to last week, so maybe they are having a purge of CT nonsense. They’ve also deleted the original post.

I don't know anyone far enough down the rabbit hole to ask...

...but where does chemtrails end and cloud seeding begin?

DonkeyApple

62,608 posts

184 months

Sunday 12th May 2024
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Cloud seeding sounds like some form of onanism at altitude. Like maybe out of a tower block window?

coldel

9,019 posts

161 months

Sunday 12th May 2024
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nessiemac said:
Ta da....

Why is it that everything for a CT like this has to be man made/government driven yet when we talk about climate change, it isn’t lol

MBBlat

1,945 posts

164 months

Sunday 12th May 2024
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Dagnir said:
I don't know anyone far enough down the rabbit hole to ask...

...but where does chemtrails end and cloud seeding begin?
Cloud seeding is real, is done with fairly small aircraft within the cloud layer.
Chemtrails aren’t real. Simples.

MattsCar

1,754 posts

120 months

Sunday 12th May 2024
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thatsprettyshady said:
This just seems to be an issue of people you are friends with to be honest, CTers are from all demographics.
Not my friends, friends of friends, as per original post. Can't say any of my friends or people I know are conspiracy theorists.


Gordon Hill said:
Seems like you spend too much time on social media jumping to the wrong conclusions.
Maybe I need to spend more time on there, like yourself, so I can get a fair sample of people and then report back and confirm that your findings are correct and that they exist in all walks of life. Just saying what I have seen, you maybe totally correct.


740EVTORQUES

980 posts

16 months

Sunday 12th May 2024
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If the chemtrails are full of drugs, wouldn’t the next plane following the same flight path just hoover it up like doing a massive line of cocaine in the sky?

captain_cynic

15,131 posts

110 months

Sunday 12th May 2024
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740EVTORQUES said:
If the chemtrails are full of drugs, wouldn’t the next plane following the same flight path just hoover it up like doing a massive line of cocaine in the sky?
Presumably they would have dispersed before the next plane came along, they're usually separated by a few KMs at a minimum.

Besides, the chemicals have been reduced as they were interfering with the 5G chips from the vaccines.

coldel

9,019 posts

161 months

Monday 13th May 2024
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As ever with a CT if you ask them to dig into the detail they fall over ... same with the 'experts' in the well known rooms on PH, stick them in a room with a real knowledgable expert and no access to internet echo chambers and they will run out of 'expertise' very quickly, despite coming across confident as you like in the threads.

Chemtrails, so operationally this looks like a challenge:

Who produces the millions of tonnes of chemicals in this clandestine fashion?
Who is shipping them and how does no one know where they are?
Where are they stored on the plane?
Does the pilot know about this, as I assume they have to flick the switch on?
Who is loaded all this stuff onto the plane?
Who is measuring the impact and outcomes of this multi billion dollar exercise?

Basically its easy to point and say 'there you go' but thinking it through end to end of the process it would be a huge undertaking with hundreds of thousands of people involved globally.

GeneralBanter

1,300 posts

30 months

Monday 13th May 2024
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I'm convinced a lot of these daft conspiracy theories start off with someone having a laugh online and seeing who bites, then having an even bigger laugh when it gets taken on and circulated as fact by the hard of thinking.

They can then fan the flames by adding more ste as gospel and the whole thing develops a life of its own while they sit back and dream up the next thing to put out.

Flumpo

4,024 posts

88 months

Monday 13th May 2024
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nessiemac said:
MiniMan64 said:
How long before the CTers have some kind of nefarious explanation for last nights light show?
Ta da....

I mean there is a bit of a conspiracy with the northern lights. There are people merrily sharing vivid neon photo displays that are making iclandanders question if they have ever even seen the northern lights before. While all of us who actually saw the lights know that in reality what we saw looked nothing like what our phone cameras captured.

Yet all you see is these amazing images with people waxing lyrical about the colours and bucket lists, without mentioning to those that missed it, that it didn’t look the same to the naked eye.

It’s like some mass hysteria emperors clothes fable.

Brother D

4,168 posts

191 months

Monday 13th May 2024
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captain_cynic said:
740EVTORQUES said:
If the chemtrails are full of drugs, wouldn’t the next plane following the same flight path just hoover it up like doing a massive line of cocaine in the sky?
Presumably they would have dispersed before the next plane came along, they're usually separated by a few KMs at a minimum.

Besides, the chemicals have been reduced as they were interfering with the 5G chips from the vaccines.
Never quite understood the Chemtrail one.

Why stick it in aircraft fuel to spray over the atlantic/pacific, when you could just put it in petrol/diesel and have it delivered direct to the population?

Notch 8

367 posts

23 months

Monday 13th May 2024
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Brother D said:
captain_cynic said:
740EVTORQUES said:
If the chemtrails are full of drugs, wouldn’t the next plane following the same flight path just hoover it up like doing a massive line of cocaine in the sky?
Presumably they would have dispersed before the next plane came along, they're usually separated by a few KMs at a minimum.

Besides, the chemicals have been reduced as they were interfering with the 5G chips from the vaccines.
Never quite understood the Chemtrail one.

Why stick it in aircraft fuel to spray over the atlantic/pacific, when you could just put it in petrol/diesel and have it delivered direct to the population?
There’s no melodrama there though. Every CTist I’ve encountered needs sensationalism and melodrama to get off on.

coldel

9,019 posts

161 months

Monday 13th May 2024
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Notch 8 said:
Brother D said:
captain_cynic said:
740EVTORQUES said:
If the chemtrails are full of drugs, wouldn’t the next plane following the same flight path just hoover it up like doing a massive line of cocaine in the sky?
Presumably they would have dispersed before the next plane came along, they're usually separated by a few KMs at a minimum.

Besides, the chemicals have been reduced as they were interfering with the 5G chips from the vaccines.
Never quite understood the Chemtrail one.

Why stick it in aircraft fuel to spray over the atlantic/pacific, when you could just put it in petrol/diesel and have it delivered direct to the population?
There’s no melodrama there though. Every CTist I’ve encountered needs sensationalism and melodrama to get off on.
Because a conspiracy has to be almost out of reach for people to prove.

If its in petrol, you or I could buy some petrol give it to a chemist and have it tested. Plane fuel on the other hand is not as readily available to joe public.

A lot of conspiracies rely on the 'unavailability' of proof for it, as proof itself, in that 'they' are working to subvert or control you.

captain_cynic

15,131 posts

110 months

Monday 13th May 2024
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coldel said:
Because a conspiracy has to be almost out of reach for people to prove.

If its in petrol, you or I could buy some petrol give it to a chemist and have it tested. Plane fuel on the other hand is not as readily available to joe public.

A lot of conspiracies rely on the 'unavailability' of proof for it, as proof itself, in that 'they' are working to subvert or control you.
Jet A is fairly easy to get. Same with AvGas. Most aero clubs will stock the latter and many stock the former. JetA1 is £1.15 a litre from Shropshire Aero Club.

The conspiracy is that it's a special chemical known only to a few yet the mechanism to distribute and load it are kept Uber secret.... Keeping evidence just out of reach.

Erm... If anyone around Shropshire is getting any funny ideas. Jet fuel is very low octane so it just won't run in your car.

beagrizzly

10,920 posts

246 months

Monday 13th May 2024
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Flumpo said:
nessiemac said:
MiniMan64 said:
How long before the CTers have some kind of nefarious explanation for last nights light show?
Ta da....

I mean there is a bit of a conspiracy with the northern lights. There are people merrily sharing vivid neon photo displays that are making iclandanders question if they have ever even seen the northern lights before. While all of us who actually saw the lights know that in reality what we saw looked nothing like what our phone cameras captured.

Yet all you see is these amazing images with people waxing lyrical about the colours and bucket lists, without mentioning to those that missed it, that it didn’t look the same to the naked eye.

It’s like some mass hysteria emperors clothes fable.
Everyone who looked at it will be blind soon.

Then the plants will rise up.

You heard it here first......

DonkeyApple

62,608 posts

184 months

Monday 13th May 2024
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beagrizzly said:
Everyone who looked at it will be blind soon.

Then the plants will rise up.

You heard it here first......
The vegetables have already risen up. And everyone is laughing.