Karate experts - are they really 'hard'?

[Boring_Chris]

Jonmx said:

The pathetic willy waving by Connor Mcgregor and Floyd Maywether

Do you know how much money that willy waving earned them?

[Jonmx]

Boring_Chris said:

Do you know how much money that willy waving earned them?

I do indeed. Doesn't stop me thinking they're a pair of idiots. The last god knows how many months has been them effectively flirting with each other all in the name of cash, rather than just getting on with it. Hence the lifestyle aspect of my comment, it's all about money and being seen, rather than any pride. The 77 year old chap has probably earned nothing from his martial arts, yet is clearly a master at it. Out of him, or the two pillocks, guess who I have more respect for.

[turbobloke]

Boring_Chris said:

turbobloke said:

At one time I knew where to strike and the technique to use in order to put the blade of a sword through two major arteries, the windpipe and spinal cord in one blow, all without completely severing the head though allegedly it would droop quite a bit

As the picture of Turbo Bloke grows, it becomes more vivid.

Keep posting. Don't hold back.

Boring_Chris said:

Turboblokes contribution deserves more attention, too. All without severing the head?! Mad skills there, mate. Mad, mad, skills.

Not sure if serious?! I had no idea what was on that side of the curriculum when signing up for Aikido Te all those years ago.

I think you noticed, though others missed the point, that I mentioned it only in the context of what's entirely useless to know about in a street fight. To say the least! The teaching was good though, I can still remember which two arteries were being targeted with that cut.

What I described must be one of the least applicable elements of MA featured in the thread. That wasn't the point of the tuition however and I don't look back in anger on what they taught.

Nor did the point of my post have anything to do with billy big bks bragging, quite the opposite, and I've already acknowledged that the art I learned was almost totally useless in street fights. Even so I enjoyed it at the time.

[mph999]

If we're doing vids, I give you Frank Brenon.
Seriously, good luck if you think you would come off best ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oErUvO88kCM

Admittedly, he is one of the best in the world though.

Edited by mph999 on Monday 20th March 20:07

[Uncle John]

I learnt Krav Maga for 2 years, & yes you are taught to get out of there if at all possible.

Anyway, the 2 chaps that taught it had years of experience and my god they knew their stuff. Scarily efficient, fast, powerful, it was awe inspiring at times.

They were also bouncers, I'm sure they wouldn't have needed to use any of it as their quiet confidence would get through to the most pissed of idiots.

[turbobloke]

mph999 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oErUvO88kCM

Clinical.

[DoubleSix]

turbobloke said:

mph999 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oErUvO88kCM

Clinical.

.... his opponents seem to have a remarkable propensity for dropping their guard or outright running onto the end of his fist.

Sorry, can't see these guys troubling a pro boxer.

[turbobloke]

DoubleSix said:

Sorry, can't see these guys troubling a pro boxer.

Has this never been tested?

[Hoofy]

I'm sure you could find it on YT. If the karate guy is stupid, he'll engage with punches.

[DoubleSix]

I'm sure the internet will cater for either side of the argument.

But I remain distinctly underwhelmed but what I just saw of Mr Brennan. It's just so contained, so rules based - and effective against an opponent following those rules.

[Hoofy]

DoubleSix said:

I'm sure the internet will cater for either side of the argument.

But I remain distinctly underwhelmed but what I just saw of Mr Brennan. It's just so contained, so rules based - and effective against an opponent following those rules.

Same as in a boxing ring, presumably.

[DoubleSix]

Hoofy said:

DoubleSix said:

I'm sure the internet will cater for either side of the argument.

But I remain distinctly underwhelmed but what I just saw of Mr Brennan. It's just so contained, so rules based - and effective against an opponent following those rules.

Same as in a boxing ring, presumably.

Not really. You take an undefended blow in a boxing ring and you'll be out cold.

These karate blows are all about making contact not making an impact. Points don't mean prizes in a real brawl.

[spikeyhead]

I've never studied any marshal art. Everyone I know that has has picked up far worse injuries than I've ever had whilst training, so whilst it may mean you're able to extract yourself from a stty situation I've always found it easier just to not get into the situation or balls my way through it.

Ayahuasca said:

Just noticed the bouncer hit both men with his walkie talkie. That would have come sharp.

I once worked for a company that made the radios that the US police use. These are in a steel case 15 inches long and 1.5 inches square. We gave them a nice presentation about how much lighter and smaller modern technology would allow us to make them.

Their reply? "but then they wouldn't be as useful to hit people with. Sure we could draw a nightstick, but that involves paperwork"

Edited by spikeyhead on Monday 20th March 21:42

[Hoofy]

DoubleSix said:

Hoofy said:

DoubleSix said:

I'm sure the internet will cater for either side of the argument.

But I remain distinctly underwhelmed but what I just saw of Mr Brennan. It's just so contained, so rules based - and effective against an opponent following those rules.

Same as in a boxing ring, presumably.

Not really. You take an undefended blow in a boxing ring and you'll be out cold.

These karate blows are all about making contact not making an impact. Points don't mean prizes in a real brawl.

What about full contact karate?

[DoubleSix]

Hoofy said:

DoubleSix said:

Hoofy said:

DoubleSix said:

I'm sure the internet will cater for either side of the argument.

But I remain distinctly underwhelmed but what I just saw of Mr Brennan. It's just so contained, so rules based - and effective against an opponent following those rules.

Same as in a boxing ring, presumably.

Not really. You take an undefended blow in a boxing ring and you'll be out cold.

These karate blows are all about making contact not making an impact. Points don't mean prizes in a real brawl.

What about full contact karate?

In the context of what was asked by the OP I would argue a skilled boxer would nullify a karate practioners kicks by moving forward and into the opponent, the luxury of space is rarely available in a brawl ime.

[Boring_Chris]

turbobloke said:

I can still remember which two arteries were being targeted with that cut.

[turbobloke]

Boring_Chris said:

turbobloke said:

I can still remember which two arteries were being targeted with that cut.

Common carotid and vertebral.

[Boring_Chris]

turbobloke said:

Boring_Chris said:

turbobloke said:

I can still remember which two arteries were being targeted with that cut.

Common carotid and vertebral.

If I keep taking the piss, will you cut my head off?

[Evanivitch]

DoubleSix said:

In the context of what was asked by the OP I would argue a skilled boxer would nullify a karate practioners kicks by moving forward and into the opponent, the luxury of space is rarely available in a brawl ime.

I've seen a couple of boxers have their legs kicked out from under them in the first throws of a fight, and then it's a question whether it turns into a grapple on the ground or the standing party legs it.

[Ayahuasca]

DoubleSix said:

Hoofy said:

DoubleSix said:

Hoofy said:

DoubleSix said:

I'm sure the internet will cater for either side of the argument.

But I remain distinctly underwhelmed but what I just saw of Mr Brennan. It's just so contained, so rules based - and effective against an opponent following those rules.

Same as in a boxing ring, presumably.

Not really. You take an undefended blow in a boxing ring and you'll be out cold.

These karate blows are all about making contact not making an impact. Points don't mean prizes in a real brawl.

What about full contact karate?

In the context of what was asked by the OP I would argue a skilled boxer would nullify a karate practioners kicks by moving forward and into the opponent, the luxury of space is rarely available in a brawl ime.

What would the skilled boxer do if, when he moves forward and into, his knee gets stomp kicked and possibly broken, and he then gets a spinning elbow strike to the head?