Gun Pawn - Warning - Lots of Pictures - as requested

[[AJ]]

frosted said:

I have thanks , something about killing is not very appealing to me . Personally I think if you enjoy that sort if stuff you got some serious issues .

Are you a vegetarian? Even if you are, that's an immensely ignorant and fatuous comment. I think someone willing to eat cheap processed meat in ignorance is far worse off in my mind.

I doubt many game shooters enjoy killing. In fact, game shooting gives you a far greater appreciation and respect for your food. The meat is far healthier than anything you could find in a supermarket and the animals have been reared in their natural environment. They live happy and die in a far less stressful way than 'cultivated meat'.

It's a sad world we live in when city kids have no idea that ham is pig meat, tuna is actually fish and eggs come out of a chickens arse.

I'll ignore your other ridiculous comment.

[Harry Flashman]

[AJ] said:

I doubt many game shooters enjoy killing. In fact, game shooting gives you a far greater appreciation and respect for your food. The meat is far healthier than anything you could find in a supermarket and the animals have been reared in their natural environment. They live happy and die in a far less stressful way than 'cultivated meat'.

Actually, I love killing things. It's brilliant.

Admittedly, the whole stalking, placing the shot and technical aspects of it all are great - but in terms of technical shooting (shotgun, anyway), well placed clays can be just as challenging.

Nope, the puff of feathers as your quarry falls to earth, cleanly killed, is a joy in itself.

Sometimes, after a good shot, I like to paint the kill's blood onto my face. Reminds me I'm top predator out there.

• some of this post may not be strictly true.

** for example, there's no way a clay pigeon is half as much fun to shoot as a real one

[Pesty]

[TVR1]

Time to give frosted a siezure.Kids and Guns!

My little contribution from when I was about 15. Beretta semi-auto (until I found out a little, erm tweak) A302 before restriction so 1+6, Esso West London GC. Good fun if you needed 7 shots to take out 1 clay, but the staff tended to get the hump if you did it too often

I nearly traded it in for a SPAS 12 (anyone remember them?) just before the restrictions but didn't bother.

Also had a Baikal O/U and a Webley & Scott S/S but this was always my favourite. Spent many happy hours loading cartridges too....Those where the days.

Edited by TVR1 on Tuesday 8th February 10:05

[BruceV8]

OK, I'll show you some of mine. Unlike Ernest et al, I'm not a fan of firearms that are as modern as tomorrow. I like my guns as I like my cars - British, traditional and old - with lots of shiny wood.



This is my .22. Its a BSA Supersport 5 of indeterminate vintage. It normally wears a scope, but its off at the moment.




This is a BSA Majestic in .308, made in the 1960s. Its a very light and fast handling rifle. No one likes the inbuilt muzzle brake, though.

The above two are my 'working' rifles - 'daily smokers' if you will (although they don't actually get used that often these days). The next two are just toys really, but I love them:



This is a .303 BSA Lee Speed. It was built from new as a sporting rifle on a Lee Enfield action (ie its not a converted military SMLE). Although its a No 2 quality rifle, it is quite nicely engraved and the butt plate bears the name of what i presume to be it first owner, a Col C. Lavat. It is dated 1909. The barrel is stamped with the address of the Junior Army & Navy Store, who I assume supplied it from new. I would love to find out more about this rifle's history, and that of its owner. It is the sweetest handling and shooting rifle I have ever shot.



This is a Parker-Hale Safari in .375 H&H, which is the legal minimum calibre for elephant in most territories. Not much call for that in Middlesex, but its a nice old thing which is built on a magnum Mauser action.

[goblinslayer]

BruceV8 you can get in email Glasgow University here

http://cheshire.cent.gla.ac.uk/ead/search?operatio...

They have all the records from the Army & Navy store, including who they sold guns to. We found the record for a mate of mine who had an old Trantor rook gun :-)

And I like the old wood and steel too, some of mine :

BruceV8 said:

This is a .303 BSA Lee Speed. It was built from new as a sporting rifle on a Lee Enfield action (ie its not a converted military SMLE). Although its a No 2 quality rifle, it is quite nicely engraved and the butt plate bears the name of what i presume to be it first owner, a Col C. Lavat. It is dated 1909. The barrel is stamped with the address of the Junior Army & Navy Store, who I assume supplied it from new. I would love to find out more about this rifle's history, and that of its owner. It is the sweetest handling and shooting rifle I have ever shot.

[TVR1]

BruceV8 said:

This is a Parker-Hale Safari in .375 H&H, which is the legal minimum calibre for elephant in most territories. Not much call for that in Middlesex, but its a nice old thing which is built on a magnum Mauser action.

The one with the decocking problem, I take it? Very nice.

[BruceV8]

TVR1 said:

BruceV8 said:

This is a Parker-Hale Safari in .375 H&H, which is the legal minimum calibre for elephant in most territories. Not much call for that in Middlesex, but its a nice old thing which is built on a magnum Mauser action.

The one with the decocking problem, I take it? Very nice.

That was the badger. All fixed now.

[pokethepope]

jimmyjimjim said:

Looking at Gen 4 Glock 19 prices.

I saw on a documentary they can get through airport scanners, cos they're made of plastic y'know.



You should try it if you get one and report back.

[The Hypno-Toad]

Guns! Guns! Guns!



C'mon Sal. The Celtics are playing TONIGHT! Never miss a game.

[jimmyjimjim]

pokethepope said:

I saw on a documentary they can get through airport scanners, cos they're made of plastic y'know.



You should try it if you get one and report back.

Must have been on the beeb, because it was clearly a st documentary; the slide is steel, for a start.

However, reporting back on other experimenters: http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2010/12/awesome-t...

[ErnestM]

jimmyjimjim said:

Must have been on the beeb, because it was clearly a st documentary; the slide is steel, for a start.

However, reporting back on other experimenters: http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2010/12/awesome-t...

I remember that.

Interesting US law on firearms and flying. You can take your firearm with you in checked baggage. It has to be locked in a case that cannot be easily opened and unloaded. Ammo may be carried in the same case. Finally, nobody but you should be able to access it (in other words - no TSA locks)

I know a few gun owners that actually check their guns in a big case, with all of their other travelling items in the same case, just to keep TSA out of their stuff.

Personally, whenever possible, I drive. Not just because of the firearms thing but also because (1)I enjoy driving and (2)I don't enjoy being groped by strangers

[Famous Graham]

I think jimmy was referring to a thread a couple of weeks back where someone opined that it was "definitely true, they're plastic an' everyfink!". My memory's hazy but it rings a bell.

[BruceV8]

I was going to comment on the plastic Glock nonsense, but I feared The Parrot.

[jimmyjimjim]

Famous Graham said:

I think jimmy was referring to a thread a couple of weeks back where someone opined that it was "definitely true, they're plastic an' everyfink!". My memory's hazy but it rings a bell.

Rings a bell for me too, but only faintly. I remembered a BBC news article about someone getting home to the US after flying from Israel, only to find a replica Luger put in their baggage by the Israeli security services to test Israeli airport security. Though Israeli security is highly respected, they still clearly failed to live up to their billing...

[FaineantFreddy]

ErnestM said:

I remember that.

Interesting US law on firearms and flying. You can take your firearm with you in checked baggage. It has to be locked in a case that cannot be easily opened and unloaded. Ammo may be carried in the same case. Finally, nobody but you should be able to access it (in other words - no TSA locks)

I know a few gun owners that actually check their guns in a big case, with all of their other travelling items in the same case, just to keep TSA out of their stuff.

Personally, whenever possible, I drive. Not just because of the firearms thing but also because (1)I enjoy driving and (2)I don't enjoy being groped by strangers

I've had the TSA call me over the airport PA to come back to security so I could open my guncase and show them clear. if I hadn't gone back, they threatened to cut off my padlocks but they didn't offer to replace them...

I've also flown transatlantic without declaring the guns in my (checked) baggage when leaving the U.S. and had no problems at all, but I think these days there's more of a chance of them being randomly x-ray'd, probably causing you more bother than if you'd declared them in the first place.

The trouble is you can declare them when you check in but someone down the security line won't have been told, so I always expect some sort of bother when flying with guns.

[Jimbeaux]

Great Khan said:

That is a awesome collection, makes my .22 air rifle look pants!

Broward County.

[ShiggyBiggs]

jimmyjimjim said:

Probably not; I never found armed policemen approachable in any way!

I've shot the Glock 17 several times, along with the 17L, and always found it a little too big for my hands (hoping the replaceable backstraps help there, and the smaller 19 as well, obviously). I'm amused to find the FN and the Glock 17 are both lighter than the .22 Walther.

Dont come to Northern Ireland then lol. They all have glocks, check points and the like usually have at least 1 with a rifle or sub machine gun. Not too long ago I got stopped with a mate going into belfast, got asked to step out, no problem. While standing there we had a guy kneeling down behind a wall across the street pointing an mp5 at us and a guy standing about a foot away from me behind a landrover door pointing what looked to be a g3 right in my face.

[ErnestM]

ShiggyBiggs said:

Dont come to Northern Ireland then lol. They all have glocks, check points and the like usually have at least 1 with a rifle or sub machine gun. Not too long ago I got stopped with a mate going into belfast, got asked to step out, no problem. While standing there we had a guy kneeling down behind a wall across the street pointing an mp5 at us and a guy standing about a foot away from me behind a landrover door pointing what looked to be a g3 right in my face.

Lots of H&K based stuff in use in Northern Ireland. At a distance, it's difficult to tell them apart. If he had a scope on it, my money would have been on a PSG1 (or variant). None scope and it was probably a G3 (or variant)

[ErnestM]

I'll bet you the smurf was upset when you nicked his Smith and Wesson...