Gender Dysphoria

[R60EST]

I've not seen any of your pics , but from your posts on the scars thread I've read about the surgery you had. How do you disguise what must be / have been a male sounding voice and have you had to do anything about your adams apple. While I'm asking did you have a career change after the sex change or did you stay in the same line of business , which is what btw ?

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some questions answered above ,

Edited by R60EST on Monday 11th May 23:00

[Nolar Dog]

Groober said:

Close ish I suppose, I have lived next door for nigh on 15 years. But no it didnt change the relationship I had with her atall, I consider myself to be very open minded and who am I to judge people for doing things they feel they need to do...

I still live next door and nothing has changed, we still call her round for bbq's in the summer as we always have done and do all the same things we did before, all normal.

Thanks for answering.

It's nice to hear the other side and it's great that you're friendship wasn't/isn't affected.
Good on you.

[CommanderJameson]

Could you or would you have gone through what is undoubtedly a huge change, if your family and close ones had not been supportive?

Top bombing, by the way, for posting this thread.

[Nolar Dog]

stackmonkey said:

Once you're on the hormone therapy, are there any changes that simply aren't expected, that aren't simply a direct result of the drugs, or known side -effect?

Slightly more daft, does the hormone therapy change the way you think about certain things? or feel about them?
i.e. more like a woman, separately from the physical changes?

To be honest I didn't really notice a massive change.

Everyone was telling me I'd be an emotional wreck and constantly crying (no woman jokes please!) but I think the relief of finally "starting" the transition and the excitement of upcoming surgery outweighed any noticeable changes.

[Nolar Dog]

R60EST said:

I've not seen any of your pics , but from your posts on the scars thread I've read about the surgery you had. How do you disguise what must be / have been a male sounding voice and have you had to do anything about your adams apple.

One of the only things I have done on the NHS is get a referralt to my local hospital for speech therapy. It is bloody hard work!

It's all about speaking from your head rather than from your chest if that makes any sense.
It takes lots of practice and I was going there weekly from early 2006 to early 2007, with a 3 month break when I was away for surgery.

Even now I still get referred to as "Mr" or "Sir" on the phone sometimes but it's not a big deal.
Some of the sexiest female voices are deep.

I'd rather sound as I do rather than a "typical" TS over-therapied voice which IMO is almost parody of a feminine voice.

Adams Apple: I had surgery on that almost as soon as I transitioned. Before the surgery it was huge but he managed to get it down to an acceptable size with minimal scarring.

I had it done by Dr. Brian Musgrove at the Alexandra Hospital in Cheadle, Cheshire if anyone's interested. He's one of the best surgeons in the UK for facial reconstruction IMO.

[LHDisbest]

You'll excuse the pun, but it takes a lot of balls to open yourself to questions on here.



To me it shows PH in a positive light, who cares who you are as long as you can help others.

P.S, Vicky, i've had a proper blast in the Focus RS. Words fail me to discribe how good it is. The order is in for November/December!

[Nolar Dog]

CommanderJameson said:

Could you or would you have gone through what is undoubtedly a huge change, if your family and close ones had not been supportive?

Yes I'd have done it with or without them.

I told my parents how I felt by way of a letter. I explained what it meant and how it (hopefully) justified a few silly things I'd done as a lad.

I also told them that they would be losing a son either way but now had the chance to gain a happy daughter.
It sounds blunt thinking about it but I figured that if it was written down they had chance to read it again.

If I'd gone and said it to them they may not have listened properly, not taken it in fully or just got angry and thrown me out. With a letter the worst they could do is rip it up but it could always be pieced back together to read again to help them understand.

CommanderJameson said:

Top bombing, by the way, for posting this thread.

I've never heard that phrase before. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[Nolar Dog]

LHDisbest said:

To me it shows PH in a positive light, who cares who you are as long as you can help others.

That was my thought too.

LHDisbest said:

P.S, Vicky, i've had a proper blast in the Focus RS. Words fail me to discribe how good it is. The order is in for November/December!

Glad you liked it. What colour have you ordered and what spec?

Edit: Spelling

Edited by Nolar Dog on Monday 11th May 23:26

[Nolar Dog]

Bed is calling but I'll check thread tomorrow and reply if needed...

G'nite all.

[JonRB]

Mrs Trackside said:

For example, I'm often told I'm like a gay man in a womans body

WTF? Sorry? Eh? You?

Mrs Trackside said:

And, if it's not too personal, do you find men/women/both sexually attractive?

It's funny. People seem to link gender identity and sexuality so closely. And whilst they are related, they aren't intrinsically linked.

Nolar Dog said:

Both. As I see it someones gender isn't going to get in the way of me fancying them. If there's attraction there, then it's there. No matter who, what or why.

Good answer.

Edited by JonRB on Monday 11th May 23:46

[ZeeTacoe]

right now serious question time








Do you get cheaper car insurance?


someone had to do it. might as well get it out of the way.

[LHDisbest]

Nolar Dog said:

LHDisbest said:

To me it shows PH in a positive light, who cares who you are as long as you can help others.

That was my thought too.

LHDisbest said:

P.S, Vicky, i've had a proper blast in the Focus RS. Words fail me to discribe how good it is. The order is in for November/December!

Glad you liked it. What colour have you ordered and what spec?

Edit: Spelling

Edited by Nolar Dog on Monday 11th May 23:26

Performance Blue, Bluetooth, Lux Pack 1.

I have until late November to afford it!

[oobster]

lol @ thread title - I was only agreeing with you!

My interest comes from a tale of a guy I used to work with. I'll call him Ken, because that was his name. This guy was maybe mid-40's when I knew him and he was a big hairy bloke - the backs of his hands (for example) were just a mass of black hair. He was also a womaniser, he used to tell us tales of how he'd reverse his car into the driveway at night so he could leave the house (to see his bit on the side) & let the handbrake off when coasting away from the house so as not to wake his Mrs up.

I heard a few years later, from several reliable people, that he was now living as Shirley and had all the neccessary surgery. I haven't seen Ken since (or if I have I haven't recognised him) to see how well he has transitioned but when I think back to how much of bear he was as a man he's bound to make a really ugly woman!

Vicky - fair play to you for being open and honest. Telling everyone on a male-dominated car forum about your feelings and decisions would (normally) result in abuse elsewhere but it's testament to the good people on PH that you are not abused (well, maybe just some gentle piss-taking!).

Edited by oobster on Tuesday 12th May 00:16

[Lil' Joe]

I am so very pleased I started that Manly scars thread because it has led to one of the most interesting threads I've yet rad on PH, along with a few choice others. After people leaving et al it's good to read a more serious thread with honest answer's and intelligent conversation.
You make me proud...
<sniff>


I would also genuinely like to see some photo's if you would be kind enough to post some Vicky.



Oh, and did your insurance go down? I must know, mine are ridiculous and I always said I'd do anything to lower them

[Mrs Trackside]

JonRB said:

Mrs Trackside said:

For example, I'm often told I'm like a gay man in a womans body

WTF? Sorry? Eh? You?

Yes me!!! I'm a tomboy, I'm more comfortable in mens company because I find them easier to understand than women.

JonRB said:

Mrs Trackside said:

And, if it's not too personal, do you find men/women/both sexually attractive?

It's funny. People seem to link gender identity and sexuality so closely. And whilst they are related, they aren't intrinsically linked.

JonRB said:

Nolar Dog said:

Both. As I see it someones gender isn't going to get in the way of me fancying them. If there's attraction there, then it's there. No matter who, what or why.

Good answer.

I don't think it's a strange question. I can see a woman that I think is physically attractive, but I wouldn't want to have a sexual relationship with a woman unless she's got a stubbly chin, hairy chest and a little pot belly. If she happened to have a penis as well, that's a bonus!!! I agree that there are some people that you can't explain why you fancy them because it's the person you find attractive, but I can honestly say I don't think I've ever fancied a woman. This is how I know I'm a gay man in a womans body!!!

Edited by Mrs Trackside on Tuesday 12th May 00:17

[balders187]

Vicky I want your garage!!! that RS500 is B E A U T I F U L!! Not on topic but needed to be said.

[drivin_me_nuts]

Interesting posting ND.

So, what was the trigger for making the final decision to start the process of change?

[Amused2death]

I don't wish to make you appear as an object, but if you have a passport.....how do the authorities classify you on there?

BTW..."Top bombing"...I think that came from a tv advert years ago, possibly John Smiths bitter

[Graham E]

Have you ever drank a shoe of Bailey's?

Edited by Graham E on Tuesday 12th May 01:29

[Nobody You Know]

Amused2death said:

I don't wish to make you appear as an object, but if you have a passport.....how do the authorities classify you on there?

BTW..."Top bombing"...I think that came from a tv advert years ago, possibly John Smiths bitter

It came from the series of John Smiths adverts starring Peter Kay, specifically the one were he enters the diving compettion and does a 'bomb' the comentator says 'top bombing'.

The other notable phrase from the series was 'ave it' when he boots the football over the houses.