To ban or not ban - unwanted dilemma

To ban or not ban - unwanted dilemma

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JK55

172 posts

171 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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I think for you to respond reasonably to this you ought to consider the following factors:

1. Was the person in question involved in playing a game or was he due to play a game that evening. If he was playing then you ought to look at this matter more seriously. From the view of all concerned taking drugs of any kind which affects the mind and play could be viewed as creating an unfair advantage. Therefore if he was playing you should lean towards banning him. If he was not playing then you ought to lean towards the view that this was something done in his own time unconnected with play.
2. How long has this person been in the "team". If this is his first "offence" or unusual behaviour then you ought to lean towards a warning. If it is an escalation from habitual poor behaviour then you ought to lean towards a ban.
3. This person owned up to this straight away from the sounds of it. Perhaps you ought to take his honesty into account as good character.
4. Has he promised not to do it again. If he has get it in writing signed. If he is caught again he will know that a ban will be automatic. Therefore a warning will be more appropriate.

You might wish to try to make an example; however, if this guy is popular you coud end up creating a divide in your team with those against and those for your decision. This is not good for anyone.

Remember that drug takers, particularly those taking minor drugs do no harm to anyone but themselves and take the view that they are harming nobody but themselves; that is assuming drugs actually cause harm. I would bet that had he taken the view that his actions of drug taking on that evening were causing harm(even to team reputation) he would have acted differently. You ought to explain this to him to ensure he appreciates this fact.

jeff m

4,060 posts

260 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Your pool league has a drug policy?
If you don't have random urine testing I think you better give the guy a second chance.
This is a joke thread I've just replied to rightsmile

Oakey

27,619 posts

218 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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JK55 said:
I think for you to respond reasonably to this you ought to consider the following factors:

1. Was the person in question involved in playing a game or was he due to play a game that evening. If he was playing then you ought to look at this matter more seriously. From the view of all concerned taking drugs of any kind which affects the mind and play could be viewed as creating an unfair advantage. Therefore if he was playing you should lean towards banning him. If he was not playing then you ought to lean towards the view that this was something done in his own time unconnected with play.
2. How long has this person been in the "team". If this is his first "offence" or unusual behaviour then you ought to lean towards a warning. If it is an escalation from habitual poor behaviour then you ought to lean towards a ban.
3. This person owned up to this straight away from the sounds of it. Perhaps you ought to take his honesty into account as good character.
4. Has he promised not to do it again. If he has get it in writing signed. If he is caught again he will know that a ban will be automatic. Therefore a warning will be more appropriate.

You might wish to try to make an example; however, if this guy is popular you coud end up creating a divide in your team with those against and those for your decision. This is not good for anyone.

Remember that drug takers, particularly those taking minor drugs do no harm to anyone but themselves and take the view that they are harming nobody but themselves; that is assuming drugs actually cause harm. I would bet that had he taken the view that his actions of drug taking on that evening were causing harm(even to team reputation) he would have acted differently. You ought to explain this to him to ensure he appreciates this fact.
Of course, if he'd got pissed up instead no one would really have batted an eyelid.

merc_man

Original Poster:

1,926 posts

204 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Thanks for the opinions guys. The player in question does not play for my team but he is a good player. He'd just finished his game (which he won) when the incident occurred. I don't want to appear vindictive but I'm not sure other landlords in the league would be particularly keen for this to happen on their premises so I'm torn between making an example and over-reacting. I know in parts of the country there is a banned from one, banned from all policy. He's lucky that doesn't exist where we are.

In conversation with the person in question last night he wasn't overly apologetic about it and thought the licensee in question was slightly out of order for bringing it to my attention when on the night he had accepted his apology (although it took an intervention from one of his players for this to happen). Fairly sure the licensee was defusing a situation at the time which wa probably sensible. I think the person in question possiby needs to rethink his position regarding this attiitude. He also maintained that if the police were around then it was only him that would have got in trouble, not the licensee. I'm not sure this is correct.

Regarding comments about it's only a pool league - well yes it is but as I mainly run it, it sort of reflects on me so you can understand why I'm not happy about this.


The Nur

9,168 posts

187 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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If its already been dealt with and an apology has been made you may as well drop it. Why bring it up again?

Frankeh

12,558 posts

187 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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God, it's just a spliff.

Frankeh

12,558 posts

187 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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anonymous said:
[redacted]
Surely 'allowing' means you know about it before hand.
Someone breaks into my house and rolls up a spliff, was I allowing it.
Someone walks into a tescos and rolls a spliff, was tescos allowing it?
Someone sits down at a bus shelter and rolls a spliff, was the council allowing it?
etc.

dreamz

5,265 posts

195 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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what would brian boitano do?

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

235 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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give him a break

some of you guys are cueing up to have a go at him, so give it a rest

tell him to keep it in his pocket in future

piratekiller

563 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Steal his chalk, refuse to give it back until he say's he is very sorry.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

235 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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oh I forgot one:

chalk it up to experience wink

Little Dave

882 posts

211 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Plotloss said:
Brought a pool league into disrepute?

Amusing.
+1 Back in the 80's when I played in a league, you brought the game into disrepute if you didn't do at least 2 of the following on a Wednesday night.

Get hammered on booze
Get hammered on drugs
Get hammered in a fight
Hammer someone in a fight
Try and hammer one of the opposing teams' girlfriends

Wacky Racer

38,302 posts

249 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Gargamel said:
Depends if he is any good on not.

If he is your best player, then let him off

If he is rubbish and never scores any points for you - then ban him
hehe

merc_man

Original Poster:

1,926 posts

204 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Little Dave said:
Plotloss said:
Brought a pool league into disrepute?

Amusing.
+1
I apologise if my standards of expected behaviour are higher than yours.

BarnatosGhost

31,608 posts

255 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Pool is a gateway game. If you don't stamp on this now, there'll soon be dominos everywhere, and maybe a quiz team. Once that has happened you know an accordian is just around the corner.

Don't be that soldier.

Pothole

34,367 posts

284 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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JK55 said:
I think for you to respond reasonably to this you ought to consider the following factors:


4. Has he promised not to do it again. If he has get it in writing signed. If he is caught again he will know that a ban will be automatic. Therefore a warning will be more appropriate.

nice idea, trick him into signing a confession!

Shuvi Tupya

24,460 posts

249 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Frankeh said:
God, it's just a spliff.
yes

it sounds like pool leagues have changed since my day..


Pothole

34,367 posts

284 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Shuvi Tupya said:
Frankeh said:
God, it's just a spliff.
yes

it sounds like pool leagues have changed since my day..
going by the OP they have become the new Parish Councils!

Shuvi Tupya

24,460 posts

249 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Pothole said:
Shuvi Tupya said:
Frankeh said:
God, it's just a spliff.
yes

it sounds like pool leagues have changed since my day..
going by the OP they have become the new Parish Councils!
Who say's pub's are not fun any more hehe


Pothole

34,367 posts

284 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Shuvi Tupya said:
Pothole said:
Shuvi Tupya said:
Frankeh said:
God, it's just a spliff.
yes

it sounds like pool leagues have changed since my day..
going by the OP they have become the new Parish Councils!
Who say's pub's are not fun any more hehe
n'o't m'e!