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TJD2003

447 posts

183 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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An old pic on ranges at Thetford, with weapon on bipod.

TJ

Ayahuasca

27,428 posts

281 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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The Gimpy may have a rifled barrel, but is known as a 'gun' and the user is the 'gunner'.

Contrary to Rambo movies, you can't fire them from the hip.

In the infantry, each rifle section (ten men plus an corporal) had one GPMG that represented something like 70% of the section's total firepower.

They are a bd to carry on a tab (on the shoulder).

They are even more of a bd to carry if you are doing energetic 'fire and manoeuvre' excercises.

Two people normally operate the GMPG in the light role - the gunner to operate the gun and the 'number two' to make sure the ammo belt goes in smoothly and to spot where the rounds are going.

Normally every fifth or so rounds is a tracer. So you aim by watching where the tracers go - or rather the number two tells the gunner where they are going so it's 'down a bit', 'right a bit' ON!!'

Again unlike Rambo movies, you are supposed to fire in very short bursts of 2-3 rounds. Two rounds is a 'double tap' (NOT the same as the SAS double tap with is something else!) but is quite hard to do.

The whole section helps to clean the GPMG - the hardest bit is chipping rock hard carbon off the the gas plug. You need to make sure the weapon is not cocked when you strip it or you will get a spring loaded piston in the face.




Uncle Fester

3,114 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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A magazine is better if you intend simultaneous fire and movement since the belt won’t get caught up. Empty magazines can be retained and refilled later. The disadvantage is that the magazine runs out and the weapon is out of action during magazine changes

Magazines also have a limited capacity. In order to reduce the frequency of magazine changes this could lead to the restriction of the cyclic rate (the number of shots fired in a minute). For example in the Second World War, the German MG42 belt fed gun fired around three times more rounds per minute than the magazine fed Bren.

Belt fed weapons often have the facility to clip the start of a new belt onto the tail end of an almost spent belt, thus allowing uninterrupted firing. In practice the limitation to continuous firing is the barrel overheating. This can require a spare barrel being carried and swapping barrels to allow cooling, although modern construction has reduced this need. This is not to infer the gunner keeps his finger on the trigger for one continuous burst until the barrel glows. A frequent series of short bursts will still heat the barrel.

In practice some form of compromise is often reached with a belt fed gun being capable of accepting a magazine too.


Edited by Uncle Fester on Wednesday 17th November 14:21

andy400

10,484 posts

233 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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deadmau5 said:
Shinobi said:
Petrolhead_Rich said:
Shinobi said:
Petrolhead_Rich said:
GPMG's



Its a type of rifle - L7A2 IIRC

Edited by Petrolhead_Rich on Wednesday 17th November 13:08
Not a hand grenade?
confused
You mentioned it was a rifle. I thought it was quite obvious....
Is it a rifle? Or a gun?
Is it for fighting, or for fun?

Ranger 6

7,074 posts

251 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Petrolhead_Rich said:
....force of habit to call them rifle's instead of "guns", I was always bked during weapons training for referring to weapons as "guns" and still have ringing in my ears the phrase "Guns are mounted on ships".....
hehe who was your weapons instructor?, no, this is a gun......



Edited by Ranger 6 on Wednesday 17th November 14:55

BruceV8

3,325 posts

249 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Petrolhead_Rich said:
....force of habit to call them rifle's instead of "guns", I was always bked during weapons training for referring to weapons as "guns" and still have ringing in my ears the phrase "Guns are mounted on ships".....
Rifles are individual weapons - with rifled barrels, obviously - firing an intermediate or full power round. Pistols are just that. Shotguns, machine guns (sub, light, medium, heavy or general purpose), AFV armaments, artillery etc are all referred to as guns.

I would ask your weapons instructor for a refund. Tell him I sent you.

Shinobi

5,072 posts

192 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Ayahuasca said:
Contrary to Rambo movies, you can't fire them from the hip.
Tell that to this guy http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaign...


TJD2003

447 posts

183 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Shinobi said:
Ayahuasca said:
Contrary to Rambo movies, you can't fire them from the hip.
Tell that to this guy http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaign...
We fired them from the hip but only for the experience, it aint easy and aint accurate so hats of to that guy.

TJ

Ayahuasca

27,428 posts

281 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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TJD2003 said:
Shinobi said:
Ayahuasca said:
Contrary to Rambo movies, you can't fire them from the hip.
Tell that to this guy http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaign...
We fired them from the hip but only for the experience, it aint easy and aint accurate so hats of to that guy.

TJ
Normal rules don't apply to scary little bds.


silverthorn2151

6,299 posts

181 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Petrolhead_Rich said:
GPMG's



Its a type of rifle - L7A2 IIRC

Edited by Petrolhead_Rich on Wednesday 17th November 13:08
Looks like a Johnny 7 to me!



Cock Womble 7

29,908 posts

232 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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TJD2003 said:


An old pic on ranges at Thetford, with weapon on bipod.

TJ
Been there, done that (we were up the road at Honington). I fking loved the Gimpy!

TJD2003

447 posts

183 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Cock Womble 7 said:
TJD2003 said:


An old pic on ranges at Thetford, with weapon on bipod.

TJ
Been there, done that (we were up the road at Honington). I fking loved the Gimpy!
Loved firing it, not so keen on cleaning it and carrying it smile

Remember using it in the german village in sennybridge, the sound firing it from windows was epic, deaf but happy.

TJ

Taita

7,638 posts

205 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Jimpy is a fantastic weapon system, a supreme amount of firepower from a 2 gun det.

Map predicted fire out to 2500m!

The tripod is also quite a deadly weapon - a Ghurka is recently reported as throwing one at an enemy who was climbing the walls of a sangar. It's not actually true, the Ghurka actually battered him to death as he climbed into the sangar. Then threw the corpse over the walls again.

Nails.

Taita

7,638 posts

205 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Ayahuasca said:
TJD2003 said:
Shinobi said:
Ayahuasca said:
Contrary to Rambo movies, you can't fire them from the hip.
Tell that to this guy http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaign...
We fired them from the hip but only for the experience, it aint easy and aint accurate so hats of to that guy.

TJ
Normal rules don't apply to scary little bds.
That's the story I was referring to in my post actually smile

7mike

3,019 posts

195 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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james_tigerwoods said:
Which rifle/MG was it that had a "banana" shaped magazine - I'm sure I shot something like that years ago at an Army range in addition to the GPMG.
Sterling smg? (showing my age now!!)

Mike_CTR

2,520 posts

203 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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7mike said:
james_tigerwoods said:
Which rifle/MG was it that had a "banana" shaped magazine - I'm sure I shot something like that years ago at an Army range in addition to the GPMG.
Sterling smg? (showing my age now!!)
Weren't they introduced with the New Model Army concept....?

hehe

Rouleur

7,054 posts

191 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Who says you can't fire this size of MG from the hip. One-handed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoAJOsdqbus

pugwash4x4

7,541 posts

223 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Ranger 6 said:
Petrolhead_Rich said:
....force of habit to call them rifle's instead of "guns", I was always bked during weapons training for referring to weapons as "guns" and still have ringing in my ears the phrase "Guns are mounted on ships".....
hehe who was your weapons instructor?, no, this is a gun......



Edited by Ranger 6 on Wednesday 17th November 14:55
hmmm AS90- very nice- whats the range with enhanced rounds- 60clicks? that's like sitting in the centre of london and shelling Basingstoke.

7mike

3,019 posts

195 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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Mike_CTR said:
7mike said:
james_tigerwoods said:
Which rifle/MG was it that had a "banana" shaped magazine - I'm sure I shot something like that years ago at an Army range in addition to the GPMG.
Sterling smg? (showing my age now!!)
Weren't they introduced with the New Model Army concept....?

hehe
Just after, a lot lighter than the old muskets!

hidetheelephants

25,080 posts

195 months

Wednesday 17th November 2010
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pugwash4x4 said:
Ranger 6 said:
Petrolhead_Rich said:
....force of habit to call them rifle's instead of "guns", I was always bked during weapons training for referring to weapons as "guns" and still have ringing in my ears the phrase "Guns are mounted on ships".....
hehe who was your weapons instructor?, no, this is a gun......



Edited by Ranger 6 on Wednesday 17th November 14:55
hmmm AS90- very nice- whats the range with enhanced rounds- 60clicks? that's like sitting in the centre of london and shelling Basingstoke.
Excellent idea! Can we do Slough afterwards? There's a display board like that on HMS Belfast; it details how the turrets and guns are orientated such that firing them will take out Watford Gap services. Perhaps someone in the IWM Curators dept doesn't like Little Chef? hehe