Secret tunnels under Manchester

[Mahatma Bag]

Podie said:

Rooftopper said:

No, not actively doing stuff doesnt make you any less of an enthusiast but it does stop you from commenting on such things from an inside point of view and thus anything you think is merelyspeculation or hearsay rather than hard facts.

Fair point, but if you've got someone who is prepared to tap away at a keyboard, or even dig about in a library, or even have contacts who may be able to provide answers (for example someone who worked in construction, on the railway etc etc), then surely that would bring more to the site, and enable those who are prepared to do the first hand stuff to bring back better reports...?

Team is greater than the sum of it's parts, and all that.

This makes sense, without historians to do the theoretical stuff, practical archaeologists (which is what these UE guys are) would have a much more difficult job.

I can see why they are protective, using the net is a massive security issue for them as anyone can see what they are up to. I would imagine the authorities would love to infiltrate and close them down in the interests of 'safety' or 'trespassing' or something. I guess they are caught between the need for discretion and the need to share information with fellow enthusiasts. If they were aware that a few serving police officers are members of PH, this might also drive their reaction.

They seem to take considerable physical risks to get their results so again it is not surprising that they are a bit elitist compared to armchair explorers.

Anyway, good luck to them, fascinating hobby.

[sjn2004]

Rooftopper said:

Parrot of Doom said:

Rooftopper said:

Parrot of Doom said:

Rooftopper perhaps you could ask people on your forum to stop vandalising the Wiki page on the Cathedral Steps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Cathedral_...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manchest...

Such behaviour is childish.

We'd rather not have the unwanted attention it brings to be honest, can you blame us for being over protective?

Yes I can. You're being protective of something which is not your property. Anybody can contribute to the page, but so far none of them have - that demonstrates to me that they have no interest in history whatsoever.

If posters on your forum continue to abuse the Wiki, I shall create links to that page on every single forum and outlet which I am capable of.

Oooh, forum war, thats ing mature.

Sort it out you lot ive come in here trying to discuss this in a proper manner and some of you are just resorting to threats and childish insults.

Nice coming from the guy that told me to Quote "F@ck off".

[Rooftopper]

sjn2004 said:

Rooftopper said:

Parrot of Doom said:

Rooftopper said:

Parrot of Doom said:

Rooftopper perhaps you could ask people on your forum to stop vandalising the Wiki page on the Cathedral Steps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Cathedral_...
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manchest...

Such behaviour is childish.

We'd rather not have the unwanted attention it brings to be honest, can you blame us for being over protective?

Yes I can. You're being protective of something which is not your property. Anybody can contribute to the page, but so far none of them have - that demonstrates to me that they have no interest in history whatsoever.

If posters on your forum continue to abuse the Wiki, I shall create links to that page on every single forum and outlet which I am capable of.

Oooh, forum war, thats ing mature.

Sort it out you lot ive come in here trying to discuss this in a proper manner and some of you are just resorting to threats and childish insults.

Nice coming from the guy that told me to Quote "F@ck off".

You were abusing a friend of mine which i took exception to unsurprisingly.

Im discussing it in an adult manner now am i not?

[Parrot of Doom]

sjn2004 said:

POD, in the first pic you can see the toilets, in the second picture road works cover that area so they must have been sealing them at that time.

That was my first thought but if you study the other pictures you'll see that the toilets would be out of frame in the image with the roadworks.

I am guessing that the roadworks are the tip of the iceberg, and that out of the image you would have seen the toilet entrances being removed.

[Olf]

Rooftopper said:

Olf said:

Rooftopper said:

tinman0 said:

Rooftopper said:

Oh and "despicable" have you heard yourself.

for the life of me i have no idea what you are on about. Parrot got abused on 28dl (and then sjn) and so hes brought it to PH to take further.

get over it ffs. go and abuse a few of your users on the forum you administer.

And you accuse the 28dl members of being childish and now youre dismissing me with "go and abuse a few of your users" comments

Pot, kettle, black.

we got that out of the way. You were fishing for that, made no decent or useful responses to our discussion points.

Moving on.

So one of your members has made a tit of himself by contradicting himself and youre trying to make me look stupid and make inflammatory remarks rather than discussing it appropriately?

Nice.

Not inflammatory - factual. Conversation over - goodnight.

[Apache]

Question for RT.
How do you guys develop your knowledge/experience/enthusiasts if your website is so sensitive to 'unknown' inputs? I'd be genuinely interested in participating but feel a little put off be the reaction to PoD and SJN

[Podie]

Guys, Roofy has come over and extended an olive branch... no need to snap it off. Can we just take a deep breath and discuss stuff sensibly..?

[Lurking Lawyer]

Rooftopper said:

We'd rather not have the unwanted attention it brings to be honest, can you blame us for being over protective?

It's hardly a page anyone is going to surf to at random, is it?

Which means that anyone reading it has most likely Googled some variant of Manchester underground tunnels. Which in turn surely means that they're just as likely to find your own site's thread about it?

[tempus]

Hello newbie here, but not a troll from 28,honest,the tunnels were well explored and documented in nov.94.i dont have the brains to post links but if Pod would like to e-mail i will drop it in his lap.

[Mahatma Bag]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

1) 'Urban explorers' run a website where they post their exploits

2) Some PHers tried to join in

3) Explorers didn't take kindly to PH newbies

4) Lots of name calling

5) Very interesting sub-plot regarding tunnels in Manchester that may or may not lead to some disused underground toilets

[Podie]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Parrot posts link to 28DL forum about Manchester steps.
People good "ooooh... interesting!"
Asks questions and posts stuff on 28DL forum.
28DL people take exception.
Parrot banned, as is SJN (I think)
Parrot starts Wiki page on it
Rooftopper comes over for a chat, people get stroppy wit the guy
BR asks stupid questions 'cos he's too lazy to read it all

[Olf]

anonymous said:

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We've crossed swords with the self proclaimed experts of urban exploration. Their philosophy goes something like this "IT'S MINE ALL MINE Mwhahhhahhahhaah" and we're arguing that perhaps 'it' (manchester tunnels) is ours as well.

Edited by Olf on Monday 16th July 14:13

[Rooftopper]

Olf said:

Rooftopper said:

Olf said:

Rooftopper said:

tinman0 said:

Rooftopper said:

Oh and "despicable" have you heard yourself.

for the life of me i have no idea what you are on about. Parrot got abused on 28dl (and then sjn) and so hes brought it to PH to take further.

get over it ffs. go and abuse a few of your users on the forum you administer.

And you accuse the 28dl members of being childish and now youre dismissing me with "go and abuse a few of your users" comments

Pot, kettle, black.

we got that out of the way. You were fishing for that, made no decent or useful responses to our discussion points.

Moving on.

So one of your members has made a tit of himself by contradicting himself and youre trying to make me look stupid and make inflammatory remarks rather than discussing it appropriately?

Nice.

Not inflammatory - factual. Conversation over - goodnight.

In other words, i cant think of anything decent to say- conversation over-goodnight.

Its a shame you cant show the maturity the majority of the rest of the mebers can.

[Rooftopper]

Olf said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

We've crossed swords with the self proclaimed experts of urban exploration. Their philosophy goes something like this "IT'S MINE ALL MINE Mwhahhhahhahhaah" and we're arguing that perhaps 'it' (manchester tunnels) is ours as well.

Edited by Olf on Monday 16th July 14:13

You forgot to mention the bit where you contradicted yourself and got made to look abit stupid by even your own board members admissions.

Selective memory eh.

Edited by Rooftopper on Monday 16th July 14:19

[freddies_dad]

anonymous said:

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In theory, probably. It's getting the opportunity to refuse that's the difficulty.

Edited by freddies_dad on Monday 16th July 14:31

[Rooftopper]

anonymous said:

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i dont think that really warrants a reply does it, come back with some decent opinions rather than making glib remarks and i might discuss the subject with you as i am doing with the others.

[Podie]

Oooh... gone full circle now... http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

[Rooftopper]

freddies_dad said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

In theory, probably. It's getting the opportunity to refuse that's the difficulty.

Edited by freddies_dad on Monday 16th July 14:31

I havent insulted anyone on here so why do i get all the venom directed towards the entire 28dl board.

I make the effort to come over here and discuss it in a proper manner and mostly im just getting shit off people, to be honest going from this im hardly surprised you got banned from 28dl

[Podie]

Rooftopper said:

I make the effort to come over here and discuss it in a proper manner and mostly im just getting shit off people, to be honest going from this im hardly surprised you got banned from 28dl

Actually, I agree with the man.

Any danger of stopping the unnecessary vitriol..?

[Rooftopper]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Wind your ing neck in then you gimp.

The people who want to discuss it properly will be treated with respect, the tts who just want to do nothing other than make glib remarks and badmouth 28dl can off.