Bradford- lost for words
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Atmospheric said:
Funkycoldribena said:
vinnie83 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
What are you on about? Have I entered the fourth dimension? How is any of that relevant to what I posted?
You suggested that my example of wanting to be hospitable to a new person in a group of friends being similar to immigrants bringing more of them over.I am one of those, so I explained what I feel my family and I have to offer the country, despite you clearly not agreeing that we should be here. One came, others followed after all.
I am a child of immigrant parents, you seem to feel integration isn't a good thing. I explained why I think it is.
Having read some of your other posts, I can understand why you struggled to put that together.
I dont care if you're green,we're full up,full stop.Romanians,Indians,martians,that'll do now.We have a lack of housing and 2 million unemployed,lets get them into employment before we carry on this bulls
t of we need immigrants to fill jobs.Your comments make you look like a naive fool. Whether that's true or not isn't for me to say.
And I agree, immigration policy here is poor - an open door policy with a flowery hamper of benefits and housing for those with no intention of bringing anything to the country itself.
There aren't enough doctors graduating in this country that are what you would define as British to supply the NHS. Shall we close the door to those too?
I don't understand how the world works? You are aware of Britain colonising India, walking into the country and treating the local population like second class citizens, stealing resources as their own etc, aren't you?
You seem to want to ignore the facts that don't support your narrow minded views, yet call me naive?
I am as British as you and, if you disagree, please clearly explain WHY you feel I am less so. Some of the posters in this thread would have us all shipped back 'home' (I thought this was my home), and why? Because SOME brown people are bad...
Well here's some news for you - every race or religion has bad people, would you believe, even whites!
vinnie83 said:
And I agree, immigration policy here is poor - an open door policy with a flowery hamper of benefits and housing for those with no intention of bringing anything to the country itself.
There aren't enough doctors graduating in this country that are what you would define as British to supply the NHS. Shall we close the door to those too?
Well here's some news for you - every race or religion has bad people, would you believe, even whites!
Why aren't there enough doctors graduating here? There aren't enough doctors graduating in this country that are what you would define as British to supply the NHS. Shall we close the door to those too?
Well here's some news for you - every race or religion has bad people, would you believe, even whites!
And yes, of course there are good and bad in all, but it seems that some other 'religions' are a little more nutty than others
thetapeworm said:
Are there any old mill towns / cities that have truly thrived since the decline of British industry?
Well your home town area of Skipton (BD23)? has done ok from tourism.Otley (LS21) had a lot of mills and is a fairly affluent commuter town to Leeds. Ditto Guiseley.
TheRealFingers99 said:
But do you see the Swedish model as something to be feared as the Ribena man suggests? I take it you don't.
No, not at all - I think he talks st borne either from frustration, ignorance or fear. Sweden is a great country, they do their thing and they've done it very differently from UK immigration, which could have done with some pointers here and there from our neighbours. One chap I was speaking with in a bar asked whether it was my first time in Sweden, as he wanted to welcome me. It's part of the culture to be that welcoming, it comes with some expectations that you knuckle down and get on with things, same as working for Swedes. Very fussy but very fair.
andy-xr said:
No, not at all - I think he talks st borne either from frustration, ignorance or fear. Sweden is a great country, they do their thing and they've done it very differently from UK immigration, which could have done with some pointers here and there from our neighbours.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de1_1394099792t borne either from frustration, ignorance or fear. Sweden is a great country, they do their thing and they've done it very differently from UK immigration, which could have done with some pointers here and there from our neighbours. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/25/swede...
Yeah,please can we have some of this...
BMRuss said:
So at the church they offered you to join in the singing and make some cakes, wonder what a mosque would offer, let us know how you get on! 
He'll have to travel to find his nearest mosque, they don't let johnny foreigner into those parts 
Well, unless they play for Chelsea.BMRuss said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
So at the church they offered you to join in the singing and make some cakes, wonder what a mosque would offer, let us know how you get on! What are you suggesting would be offered?
You know there are churches where terrorism is promoted too, right?
BMRuss said:
Why aren't there enough doctors graduating here?
And yes, of course there are good and bad in all, but it seems that some other 'religions' are a little more nutty than others
There are now significantly more british born medics (although some of them aren't British enough as they are not white, according to some on here) due to government encouraging more intake to medical schools.And yes, of course there are good and bad in all, but it seems that some other 'religions' are a little more nutty than others
Historically, not enough UK citizens applying to study medicine = not enough doctors.
I am studying dentistry starting in a week, and most of my clients are doctors and dentists. From the young graduates, very many are not white... I dread to think what some people think of us - bloody immigrants coming here and stealing the well paid jobs (!)
jimbop1 said:
You think I'm an idiot for having some pride and passion in my country, or what it once was? Ok. I won't bite, so I won't go into detail.
Saying "yes" would imply either that what you think is "pride" is in fact pride, that you really have the foggiest what this country "once was", or indeed that that's the only reason for thinking you're an idiot rather than a long list of reasons.TheRealFingers99 said:
POORCARDEALER said:
The one thing I am sure about is local elections are getting like Pakistani ....When friday prayers are on, attendees are told who to vote for, with an intolerance to any other view, and usually a "watcher" at the polling station too.
You mean that doesn't happen at your local church? Come to think of it, you'd have to have pretty good eyesight (and a pretty good reason for hanging around inside a polling booth) to see where someone put the X. If voting fixing happens, I'm pretty sure it doesn't happen that way. POORCARDEALER said:
In Dewsbury there is a Sharia court(ironically in an old pub) which sits on a saturday morning to dole out advice and punishment to the community, should this be allowed in the UK? This is on Baroness Warsi's doorstep, she seams oblivious to it, or certainly doesnt want to speak about its existence.
I dont want such things happening in the UK and make no apology for it.
Sell the story to the Sun, become rich overnight. 0845 086 3000 is the newsdesk number. I dont want such things happening in the UK and make no apology for it.
But note that communities having their own "courts" isn't a new thing. Most gangs do it, several churches do it, it's not uncommon among traveller and some Romani communities.
I think what scares folk is the idea of someone else's law being applied to them.
Edited by POORCARDEALER on Thursday 4th September 13:51
vinnie83 said:
From the young graduates, very many are not white... I dread to think what some people think of us - bloody immigrants coming here and stealing the well paid jobs (!)
I seem to remember from prep school that there was a serious amount of paternal pressure (i.e. you might be nine, but this is what you are going to do) put on the Indian and Pakistani kids to go into the professions with a decent guaranteed wage. Funkycoldribena said:
andy-xr said:
No, not at all - I think he talks st borne either from frustration, ignorance or fear. Sweden is a great country, they do their thing and they've done it very differently from UK immigration, which could have done with some pointers here and there from our neighbours.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de1_1394099792t borne either from frustration, ignorance or fear. Sweden is a great country, they do their thing and they've done it very differently from UK immigration, which could have done with some pointers here and there from our neighbours. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/25/swede...
Yeah,please can we have some of this...
Your links, tbh the rape one I'm reading and feel a bit propoganda'd by the whole thing. I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve it.
The riots, were started through a shooting of a Portuguese man, I dont see how rioting is an acceptable response to something like that. That's not to say it's right or wrong, it's certainly happened in a lot of places; UK, France, Spain, US etc
Sometimes people get it wrong, but I'll maintain that Swedish immigration, not perfect, but a lot lot better than many other countries. The door is open, you come in, you knuckle down and get s
t done. Every possible opportunity is presented to you, again and again. Housing, job, education. vinnie83 said:
BMRuss said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
So at the church they offered you to join in the singing and make some cakes, wonder what a mosque would offer, let us know how you get on! What are you suggesting would be offered?
You know there are churches where terrorism is promoted too, right?
BMRuss said:
Why aren't there enough doctors graduating here?
And yes, of course there are good and bad in all, but it seems that some other 'religions' are a little more nutty than others
There are now significantly more british born medics (although some of them aren't British enough as they are not white, according to some on here) due to government encouraging more intake to medical schools.And yes, of course there are good and bad in all, but it seems that some other 'religions' are a little more nutty than others
Historically, not enough UK citizens applying to study medicine = not enough doctors.
I am studying dentistry starting in a week, and most of my clients are doctors and dentists. From the young graduates, very many are not white... I dread to think what some people think of us - bloody immigrants coming here and stealing the well paid jobs (!)
Good luck with the dentistry, my dentist Behzad is awesome, his wife is rather nice too
vinnie83 said:
Atmospheric said:
Funkycoldribena said:
vinnie83 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
What are you on about? Have I entered the fourth dimension? How is any of that relevant to what I posted?
You suggested that my example of wanting to be hospitable to a new person in a group of friends being similar to immigrants bringing more of them over.I am one of those, so I explained what I feel my family and I have to offer the country, despite you clearly not agreeing that we should be here. One came, others followed after all.
I am a child of immigrant parents, you seem to feel integration isn't a good thing. I explained why I think it is.
Having read some of your other posts, I can understand why you struggled to put that together.
I dont care if you're green,we're full up,full stop.Romanians,Indians,martians,that'll do now.We have a lack of housing and 2 million unemployed,lets get them into employment before we carry on this bulls
t of we need immigrants to fill jobs.Your comments make you look like a naive fool. Whether that's true or not isn't for me to say.
And I agree, immigration policy here is poor - an open door policy with a flowery hamper of benefits and housing for those with no intention of bringing anything to the country itself.
There aren't enough doctors graduating in this country that are what you would define as British to supply the NHS. Shall we close the door to those too?
I don't understand how the world works? You are aware of Britain colonising India, walking into the country and treating the local population like second class citizens, stealing resources as their own etc, aren't you?
You seem to want to ignore the facts that don't support your narrow minded views, yet call me naive?
I am as British as you and, if you disagree, please clearly explain WHY you feel I am less so. Some of the posters in this thread would have us all shipped back 'home' (I thought this was my home), and why? Because SOME brown people are bad...
Well here's some news for you - every race or religion has bad people, would you believe, even whites!
Also, something else I was thinking about while doing some work. Who here, who's Caucasian British, and of the opinion that when abroad, the way to get through to the locals is to talk louder and slower in English, has considered learning another language, lets say Punjabi or Gujarati?
After seeing my boss get to find one of the best curry houses through his knowledge of Punjabi, it's crossed my mind to learn it.
I'd even go so far as to say I'd like to see it taught in schools, more than German is. After all, it'd be more use to my kids, should I have any, and I lived in Germany for a while and picked up the language.
After seeing my boss get to find one of the best curry houses through his knowledge of Punjabi, it's crossed my mind to learn it.
I'd even go so far as to say I'd like to see it taught in schools, more than German is. After all, it'd be more use to my kids, should I have any, and I lived in Germany for a while and picked up the language.
andy-xr said:
Also, something else I was thinking about while doing some work. Who here, who's Caucasian British, and of the opinion that when abroad, the way to get through to the locals is to talk louder and slower in English, has considered learning another language, lets say Punjabi or Gujarati?
After seeing my boss get to find one of the best curry houses through his knowledge of Punjabi, it's crossed my mind to learn it.
I'd even go so far as to say I'd like to see it taught in schools, more than German is. After all, it'd be more use to my kids, should I have any, and I lived in Germany for a while and picked up the language.
I wouldn't bother. British born Asian kids these days speak only very basic Urdu /punjabi. Their language of choice is English.After seeing my boss get to find one of the best curry houses through his knowledge of Punjabi, it's crossed my mind to learn it.
I'd even go so far as to say I'd like to see it taught in schools, more than German is. After all, it'd be more use to my kids, should I have any, and I lived in Germany for a while and picked up the language.
Countdown said:
andy-xr said:
Also, something else I was thinking about while doing some work. Who here, who's Caucasian British, and of the opinion that when abroad, the way to get through to the locals is to talk louder and slower in English, has considered learning another language, lets say Punjabi or Gujarati?
After seeing my boss get to find one of the best curry houses through his knowledge of Punjabi, it's crossed my mind to learn it.
I'd even go so far as to say I'd like to see it taught in schools, more than German is. After all, it'd be more use to my kids, should I have any, and I lived in Germany for a while and picked up the language.
I wouldn't bother. British born Asian kids these days speak only very basic Urdu /punjabi. Their language of choice is English.After seeing my boss get to find one of the best curry houses through his knowledge of Punjabi, it's crossed my mind to learn it.
I'd even go so far as to say I'd like to see it taught in schools, more than German is. After all, it'd be more use to my kids, should I have any, and I lived in Germany for a while and picked up the language.
Give it another generation, maybe two, and it will probably be largely forgotten.
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