Christians on PH?
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You are assuming a human conceit to create an assumed rationality of behaviour. Back in the 1920s, when Heisenberg's Theory of Uncertainty was being discussed, Einstein publicly came out against it stating "God does not play dice with the universe".
I think it was Neils Bohr who replied to Einstein - "Who are you to tell what God can or cannot do".
I think it was Neils Bohr who replied to Einstein - "Who are you to tell what God can or cannot do".
Eric Mc said:
You are assuming a human conceit to create an assumed rationality of behaviour. Back in the 1920s, when Heisenberg's Theory of Uncertainty was being discussed, Einstein publicly came out against it stating "God does not play dice with the universe".
I think it was Neils Bohr who replied to Einstein - "Who are you to tell what God can or cannot do".
Of course I am, after all was I not created in god's image?I think it was Neils Bohr who replied to Einstein - "Who are you to tell what God can or cannot do".
My point though, answers on a postcard please, is that is a being as powerful as I stated in my post likely to create such an enormous universe just to punish people that fail to follow a few rules and spend time adoring him.
If a being did this - to my mind he a petty prick and I'm not going to pander to his needs.
Eric Mc said:
You are assuming a human conceit to create an assumed rationality of behaviour. Back in the 1920s, when Heisenberg's Theory of Uncertainty was being discussed, Einstein publicly came out against it stating "God does not play dice with the universe".
I think it was Neils Bohr who replied to Einstein - "Who are you to tell what God can or cannot do".
.... and to paraphrase - Who are any of us to tell what God should or should not do.I think it was Neils Bohr who replied to Einstein - "Who are you to tell what God can or cannot do".
I went to church a few times as friends wanted me to understand. I thought I could not condemn something until I had experienced it a little bit.
The vicar repeatedly told us (the congregation) that we were sinners. I was offended. He knew nothing about me yet I was a sinner. So why bother doing anything good when all you get told in church is that you are a sinner? I found it a negative premise and not something I wanted to pursue.
The vicar repeatedly told us (the congregation) that we were sinners. I was offended. He knew nothing about me yet I was a sinner. So why bother doing anything good when all you get told in church is that you are a sinner? I found it a negative premise and not something I wanted to pursue.
jdw100 said:
Well said.
I'd like someone religious to explain to me why a being that was able to create a universe that is larger than our imagining - billions of galaxies, maybe pocket universes and multiverses as well - and, presumably, can access all of time chose to reveal his recipe for moving on to another level of existence to a bunch of people on this planet and at that point in history.
Does it seem likely that such an amazing being beyond our understanding would do that?
It's a bit like me being CEO of a large multinational company and deciding to reveal a new product or strategy that will benefit everyone in my employ. But instead of going to my senior team and engaging in clear communication with the rest of the company I decide to get over the message to the company by emailing a practically illiterate guy who cleans the toilet in a five man office in the scrag end of Papua.
Also I'll make the emails sporadic and unclear, just to endure confusion. Then I'll complain when people don't get the message, fire lots of them and generally get the huff.
Seem likely?
I'd like someone religious to explain to me why a being that was able to create a universe that is larger than our imagining - billions of galaxies, maybe pocket universes and multiverses as well - and, presumably, can access all of time chose to reveal his recipe for moving on to another level of existence to a bunch of people on this planet and at that point in history.
Does it seem likely that such an amazing being beyond our understanding would do that?
It's a bit like me being CEO of a large multinational company and deciding to reveal a new product or strategy that will benefit everyone in my employ. But instead of going to my senior team and engaging in clear communication with the rest of the company I decide to get over the message to the company by emailing a practically illiterate guy who cleans the toilet in a five man office in the scrag end of Papua.
Also I'll make the emails sporadic and unclear, just to endure confusion. Then I'll complain when people don't get the message, fire lots of them and generally get the huff.
Seem likely?
Add in to the mix that the bible doesn't contain a single reference to anything that wasn't know to the people in the Middle East 2000 yrs ago. Every animal mentioned was know to them. No penguins, no polar bears, no artic foxes. Every natural phenomena mentioned in the bible was known to them. No glaciers, no geysers, no icebergs.
And stuff that we know about now but wasn't known then isn't mentioned. Lots of talk of disease and illness but no mention of germs, bacteria etc.
Why is this? If you didn't know better, you would almost think the whole shooting match was made up by the people of the time.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
jdw100 said:
Well said.
I'd like someone religious to explain to me why a being that was able to create a universe that is larger than our imagining - billions of galaxies, maybe pocket universes and multiverses as well - and, presumably, can access all of time chose to reveal his recipe for moving on to another level of existence to a bunch of people on this planet and at that point in history.
Does it seem likely that such an amazing being beyond our understanding would do that?
It's a bit like me being CEO of a large multinational company and deciding to reveal a new product or strategy that will benefit everyone in my employ. But instead of going to my senior team and engaging in clear communication with the rest of the company I decide to get over the message to the company by emailing a practically illiterate guy who cleans the toilet in a five man office in the scrag end of Papua.
Also I'll make the emails sporadic and unclear, just to endure confusion. Then I'll complain when people don't get the message, fire lots of them and generally get the huff.
Seem likely?
I'd like someone religious to explain to me why a being that was able to create a universe that is larger than our imagining - billions of galaxies, maybe pocket universes and multiverses as well - and, presumably, can access all of time chose to reveal his recipe for moving on to another level of existence to a bunch of people on this planet and at that point in history.
Does it seem likely that such an amazing being beyond our understanding would do that?
It's a bit like me being CEO of a large multinational company and deciding to reveal a new product or strategy that will benefit everyone in my employ. But instead of going to my senior team and engaging in clear communication with the rest of the company I decide to get over the message to the company by emailing a practically illiterate guy who cleans the toilet in a five man office in the scrag end of Papua.
Also I'll make the emails sporadic and unclear, just to endure confusion. Then I'll complain when people don't get the message, fire lots of them and generally get the huff.
Seem likely?
Add in to the mix that the bible doesn't contain a single reference to anything that wasn't know to the people in the Middle East 2000 yrs ago. Every animal mentioned was know to them. No penguins, no polar bears, no artic foxes. Every natural phenomena mentioned in the bible was known to them. No glaciers, no geysers, no icebergs.
And stuff that we know about now but wasn't known then isn't mentioned. Lots of talk of disease and illness but no mention of germs, bacteria etc.
Why is this? If you didn't know better, you would almost think the whole shooting match was made up by the people of the time.
Also, with the old God chap making the universe and all the rules contained therein - you would think he could get the value of pi correct. It appears a number of times as '3'. Make of that what you will....
Also, there is nothing in the whole of the bible that makes you think: 'how the f
k did they know that?!?' or any startling revelations of how to be a human and behave well. No mind bending statement that you can't imagine how a human would have even thought it....
Don't kill people - well bugger me hadn't thought about that. Oh hang on unless they are Egyptians or old men gathering sticks on a Sunday...
jdw100 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
jdw100 said:
Well said.
I'd like someone religious to explain to me why a being that was able to create a universe that is larger than our imagining - billions of galaxies, maybe pocket universes and multiverses as well - and, presumably, can access all of time chose to reveal his recipe for moving on to another level of existence to a bunch of people on this planet and at that point in history.
Does it seem likely that such an amazing being beyond our understanding would do that?
It's a bit like me being CEO of a large multinational company and deciding to reveal a new product or strategy that will benefit everyone in my employ. But instead of going to my senior team and engaging in clear communication with the rest of the company I decide to get over the message to the company by emailing a practically illiterate guy who cleans the toilet in a five man office in the scrag end of Papua.
Also I'll make the emails sporadic and unclear, just to endure confusion. Then I'll complain when people don't get the message, fire lots of them and generally get the huff.
Seem likely?
I'd like someone religious to explain to me why a being that was able to create a universe that is larger than our imagining - billions of galaxies, maybe pocket universes and multiverses as well - and, presumably, can access all of time chose to reveal his recipe for moving on to another level of existence to a bunch of people on this planet and at that point in history.
Does it seem likely that such an amazing being beyond our understanding would do that?
It's a bit like me being CEO of a large multinational company and deciding to reveal a new product or strategy that will benefit everyone in my employ. But instead of going to my senior team and engaging in clear communication with the rest of the company I decide to get over the message to the company by emailing a practically illiterate guy who cleans the toilet in a five man office in the scrag end of Papua.
Also I'll make the emails sporadic and unclear, just to endure confusion. Then I'll complain when people don't get the message, fire lots of them and generally get the huff.
Seem likely?
Add in to the mix that the bible doesn't contain a single reference to anything that wasn't know to the people in the Middle East 2000 yrs ago. Every animal mentioned was know to them. No penguins, no polar bears, no artic foxes. Every natural phenomena mentioned in the bible was known to them. No glaciers, no geysers, no icebergs.
And stuff that we know about now but wasn't known then isn't mentioned. Lots of talk of disease and illness but no mention of germs, bacteria etc.
Why is this? If you didn't know better, you would almost think the whole shooting match was made up by the people of the time.
Also, with the old God chap making the universe and all the rules contained therein - you would think he could get the value of pi correct. It appears a number of times as '3'. Make of that what you will....
Also, there is nothing in the whole of the bible that makes you think: 'how the f
k did they know that?!?' or any startling revelations of how to be a human and behave well. No mind bending statement that you can't imagine how a human would have even thought it....
Don't kill people - well bugger me hadn't thought about that. Oh hang on unless they are Egyptians or old men gathering sticks on a Sunday...
WinstonWolf said:
jdw100 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
jdw100 said:
Well said.
I'd like someone religious to explain to me why a being that was able to create a universe that is larger than our imagining - billions of galaxies, maybe pocket universes and multiverses as well - and, presumably, can access all of time chose to reveal his recipe for moving on to another level of existence to a bunch of people on this planet and at that point in history.
Does it seem likely that such an amazing being beyond our understanding would do that?
It's a bit like me being CEO of a large multinational company and deciding to reveal a new product or strategy that will benefit everyone in my employ. But instead of going to my senior team and engaging in clear communication with the rest of the company I decide to get over the message to the company by emailing a practically illiterate guy who cleans the toilet in a five man office in the scrag end of Papua.
Also I'll make the emails sporadic and unclear, just to endure confusion. Then I'll complain when people don't get the message, fire lots of them and generally get the huff.
Seem likely?
I'd like someone religious to explain to me why a being that was able to create a universe that is larger than our imagining - billions of galaxies, maybe pocket universes and multiverses as well - and, presumably, can access all of time chose to reveal his recipe for moving on to another level of existence to a bunch of people on this planet and at that point in history.
Does it seem likely that such an amazing being beyond our understanding would do that?
It's a bit like me being CEO of a large multinational company and deciding to reveal a new product or strategy that will benefit everyone in my employ. But instead of going to my senior team and engaging in clear communication with the rest of the company I decide to get over the message to the company by emailing a practically illiterate guy who cleans the toilet in a five man office in the scrag end of Papua.
Also I'll make the emails sporadic and unclear, just to endure confusion. Then I'll complain when people don't get the message, fire lots of them and generally get the huff.
Seem likely?
Add in to the mix that the bible doesn't contain a single reference to anything that wasn't know to the people in the Middle East 2000 yrs ago. Every animal mentioned was know to them. No penguins, no polar bears, no artic foxes. Every natural phenomena mentioned in the bible was known to them. No glaciers, no geysers, no icebergs.
And stuff that we know about now but wasn't known then isn't mentioned. Lots of talk of disease and illness but no mention of germs, bacteria etc.
Why is this? If you didn't know better, you would almost think the whole shooting match was made up by the people of the time.
Also, with the old God chap making the universe and all the rules contained therein - you would think he could get the value of pi correct. It appears a number of times as '3'. Make of that what you will....
Also, there is nothing in the whole of the bible that makes you think: 'how the f
k did they know that?!?' or any startling revelations of how to be a human and behave well. No mind bending statement that you can't imagine how a human would have even thought it....
Don't kill people - well bugger me hadn't thought about that. Oh hang on unless they are Egyptians or old men gathering sticks on a Sunday...
WinstonWolf said:
And none of the animals on the ark ate each other? I always have a mental image of some poor sodding penguin waddling all the way from the pole to the Middle East...
It's the sloths I feel sorry for the most.I reckon at 1km a day absolute max...40 odd years to make the trip....must have been shattered!
Practical problems discussed in the YT video in this link
http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/02/guy-brilliantly-pull...
http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/02/guy-brilliantly-pull...
WinstonWolf said:
You've just given me another thought, bearing in mind the different speed that all of these animals migrated at who did the scheduling?
Good question.Let's have some answers to the last 10 posts from our resident Christians then.
No cop outs please....oh it's just an allegory it metaphor or a story told to illustrate a moral point.
jdw100 said:
WinstonWolf said:
And none of the animals on the ark ate each other? I always have a mental image of some poor sodding penguin waddling all the way from the pole to the Middle East...
It's the sloths I feel sorry for the most.I reckon at 1km a day absolute max...40 odd years to make the trip....must have been shattered!
daemon said:
princealbert23 said:
Aggressive atheism appears to be a whole new religion ironically, with a ready supply of zealots.
Its not a religion its a conclusion.Quite frankly the fact that grown ups think they have an invisible friend in the sky is bad enough, however to make it other peoples problem by enforcing their religion onto my life is when it starts to get up my nose.
Religion is like a willy. Dont wave it about in public and dont force it down childrens throats.
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