Travellers.......

[funkyrobot]

Oh dear:

'Posted by Jim1234 October 08, 07:56AM


I cannot believe the racism that is implicit in pretty much every comment on this thread. Whatever the truth, or lack of, behind the comments being made, imagine how quick to condemn we would be if ed-nagaiutb's comment was made about any other minority group.'

[funkyrobot]

Koofler said:

that seems to be the comment that lit the fuse on the lefty lovies....

Indeed.

Christ, there are some sad, little, offended people around.

[MikeLowry]

covmutley said:

Because they are all at it. I spoke to a dog trainer/breeder. He said they would steal dogs, then turn up the next day saying they had bought it in a pub and did they wan to buy it back.

On one occasion there was cctv of a van turning up to steal dogs, but the van was apparently insured for a number of people to drive it, so the police couldnt prove who had done it. I guess their whole community pulls together to deny guilt.

Add to that the fact they are well represented legally, and know how to play the system.

May be a silly question, but do they have their own 3.14key lawyers? Or do they use (for want of a better word) conventional lawyers? Who in their right mind would choose to represent these people?

[bobtail4x4]

they use the lawyers from the gypsy council usually.

[Evanivitch]

Oceanic said:

I can totally understand the first two instances I mentioned (if true) however what I did was legal, I was on my own property taking photos of crimes being committed on land owned the community.

You took photos of people with their pants down. That's got to be questionable.

[thetapeworm]

MikeLowry said:

May be a silly question, but do they have their own 3.14key lawyers? Or do they use (for want of a better word) conventional lawyers? Who in their right mind would choose to represent these people?

I would have thought any legal representative who is being paid would be willing to work for them, they do for paedophiles and rapists after all.

There are also organisations like GATE out there who are busy "Working to improve the quality of life for Gypsies and Travellers" and offer legal advice.

http://leedsgate.co.uk

They advertise an out of hours telephone advice line that's been set up to give guidance on the "specialist issues faced by Gypsies and Travellers"

[funkyrobot]

thetapeworm said:

They advertise an out of hours telephone advice line that's been set up to give guidance on the "specialist issues faced by Gypsies and Travellers"

Caused by others, I'm sure.

It sounds a bit like the unique way the BBC is funded.

[Cliftonite]

funkyrobot said:

'ED - NAGAIUTB Wrote:
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> Its the thieving messy 99% that give the 1% a bad name. '

Many a true word is spoken in jest (ye olde English proverb).

[J4CKO]

Shoegrip said:

Evanivitch said:

All three of those instances would quite easily see you end up in prison yourself.

The shooting of dogs in rural areas is common. One of our farmer neighbours almost does it as sport if townies or day trippers wind him up. Local police are not interested. Farmer just says they were worrying sheep.

He shoots peoples pets for Sport ?

I would probably bear a grudge over that and make his life miserable for a long time, getting "wound up" is no excuse to go round executing a well behaved dog, some Farmers can get wound up for fun, I know the public can be a pain in the arse but exacting your revenge on someones dog just because you are a is pretty bad.

[Shoegrip]

J4CKO said:

He shoots peoples pets for Sport ?

I would probably bear a grudge over that and make his life miserable for a long time, getting "wound up" is no excuse to go round executing a well behaved dog, some Farmers can get wound up for fun, I know the public can be a pain in the arse but exacting your revenge on someones dog just because you are a is pretty bad.

Agreed. There is no excuse. And I don't like dogs!

There have been 3 complaints against him in the last year that I know of. Local plod go out to see him but nothing ever seems to happen.

I heard of one occasion where a dog owner threw a stick which the wind took onto the wrong side of a stone wall with a big drop on the other side. The dog jumped over and couldn't get back. Farmer came up on his quad bike and shouted over to the owners "do you want me to get your dog" they said yes please, he raises his gun in full sight of the owners and shoots it dead. He then says, "you can get it your fking self" and rides off.

Farmer said he'd chased the dog away from his sheep, the dog had turned on him and shot the it with the owners permission.

[Kateg28]

CAPP0 said:

Last time they were here, their kids sat on a fence next to the main road through the village pitching rocks at passing cars. One of my neighbours still has the resultant dent in the A-pillar of his car.

I'll leave you to guess what action the police took, although it was closely related to "those people are allowed to do whatever they like, whenever they like, wherever they like, and we refuse to take any action whatsoever against them".

Semi permanent site near my son's rowing club and the kids from the site do this. Only not at passing cars but at the passing rowers.

So far their aim is useless and no one been hit with any force and the police do go and have words which works for a while and then they start again.

[CAPP0]

Shoegrip said:

J4CKO said:

He shoots peoples pets for Sport ?

I would probably bear a grudge over that and make his life miserable for a long time, getting "wound up" is no excuse to go round executing a well behaved dog, some Farmers can get wound up for fun, I know the public can be a pain in the arse but exacting your revenge on someones dog just because you are a is pretty bad.

Agreed. There is no excuse. And I don't like dogs!

There have been 3 complaints against him in the last year that I know of. Local plod go out to see him but nothing ever seems to happen.

I heard of one occasion where a dog owner threw a stick which the wind took onto the wrong side of a stone wall with a big drop on the other side. The dog jumped over and couldn't get back. Farmer came up on his quad bike and shouted over to the owners "do you want me to get your dog" they said yes please, he raises his gun in full sight of the owners and shoots it dead. He then says, "you can get it your fking self" and rides off.

Farmer said he'd chased the dog away from his sheep, the dog had turned on him and shot the it with the owners permission.

I'm no hard man of any description, internet or not, but if he did that to one of our dogs I'm fairly certain I'd end up getting arrested shortly after.

Are his name and these activities available in the public domain?

[Budflicker]

Shoegrip said:

I heard of one occasion where a dog owner threw a stick which the wind took onto the wrong side of a stone wall with a big drop on the other side. The dog jumped over and couldn't get back. Farmer came up on his quad bike and shouted over to the owners "do you want me to get your dog" they said yes please, he raises his gun in full sight of the owners and shoots it dead. He then says, "you can get it your fking self" and rides off.

Farmer said he'd chased the dog away from his sheep, the dog had turned on him and shot the it with the owners permission.

If he did that to my dog, I'd kill him and i do mean 10-20 stretch kill him as well.

Thats so upsetting to even read, poor dog and poor owners.

Edited by Budflicker on Wednesday 19th October 16:47

[eldar]

Budflicker said:

If he did that to my dog, I'd kill him and i do mean 10-20 stretch kill him as well.

Thats so upsetting to even read, poor dog and poor owners.

Edited by Budflicker on Wednesday 19th October 16:47

That makes you sound as bad as him

[Shoegrip]

Budflicker said:

If he did that to my dog, I'd kill him and i do mean 10-20 stretch kill him as well.

Thats so upsetting to even read, poor dog and poor owners.

Edited by Budflicker on Wednesday 19th October 16:47

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend. He is the worst but other farmers around here will shoot dogs too. We have a holiday cottage on our land and 60% of visitors have dogs. Thankfully we've never had issues but equally, we tell them not to let dogs into any fields.

[coppice]

Maybe if idiots didn't let their disobedient mutts chase and savage sheep fewer dogs would get shot as a result? Perfectly legal too,if dog is attacking livestock.

[Robertj21a]

coppice said:

Maybe if idiots didn't let their disobedient mutts chase and savage sheep fewer dogs would get shot as a result? Perfectly legal too,if dog is attacking livestock.

Have to agree. Far too many dogs are off leads and chasing wildlife - seemingly viewed as 'fun' and 'sport' by the owners (who don't see the wildlife collapse/die after being chased).

[Budflicker]

In reply to the posts after mine, no offence taken on my part, and I do totally understand that loose dogs amongst livestock is unacceptable and if you are careless enough to let the dog off lead in close proximity to farm animals then more fool you.
I also get the need for farmers to be able to protect their livestock so I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed full stop.

However the situation described was completely unacceptable and under those particular circumstances I would react very irrationally indeed.

[Evanivitch]

Robertj21a said:

Have to agree. Far too many dogs are off leads and chasing wildlife - seemingly viewed as 'fun' and 'sport' by the owners (who don't see the wildlife collapse/die after being chased).

If the wildlife is collapsing and dying from being chased then it's undoubtedly already sick. It's hardly self preservation to evade a predator to then drop dead after.

[egor110]

Oceanic said:

Evanivitch said:

All three of those instances would quite easily see you end up in prison yourself.

I can totally understand the first two instances I mentioned (if true) however what I did was legal, I was on my own property taking photos of crimes being committed on land owned the community.

Whereabouts in Somerset did this farmer supposedly shoot a travellers dog?