Just how much did your life change when you had children?

Just how much did your life change when you had children?

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Biker's Nemesis

38,804 posts

209 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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God, what was life like before children? I can't remember, what I do know is the older they get the more money it costs me. (son is 20)

aizvara

2,051 posts

168 months

Friday 12th August 2011
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GreigM said:
However things will change - voluntarily rather than forced, you will want to do things with and for the child and it does change your perspective on the world (whether you like it or not).
100% agreed.

Also, regarding the 911 pics; inspiring. I am now stepping up my efforts (mostly convincing the GF) to swap cars to a 996 Turbo from my four door saloon (never been one of those have kids == buy MPV people).

MigX

791 posts

180 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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aww999 said:
My little boy is almost 10 months old now.

His arrival was like a bomb going off - my wife had an absolutely terrible time during the birth, and to be frank I think we both hated him for what she went through. I felt as if I had watched her being tortured for three days, and was then expected to dote on her torturer. She has had severe post-natal depression (now being controlled), and I think I have had bouts of something similar myself. Despite being an intelligent, financially secure, solid couple, and having a baby which friends describe as "easy", we have been on the brink of divorce, adoption and even suicide.

Maybe we're not as tough or as smart or as selfless as those who found it a walk in the park, but the last ten months have been absolute hell for both of us. My wife has often been incapable of watching the kid on her own, so I have gone weeks without any break in caring for him. I've been worried sick about her, worried sick about him and his future, and resenting the pair of them for putting me in this stty situation when I would have been quite happy filling my simple life with maths, physics and fooling around with old cars. We have gone from having fulfilling and stimulating professional and academic lives to endless hours of mindless drudgery, waiting hand and foot on this little pointless blob.

Things have finally started improving recently (eg in the last couple of weeks), and we are both a lot happier. However, the long-term implications of having a kid still terrify me, and with hindsight I wouldn't have had him. That sounds terrible and I feel bad for writing it, especially when he's been so charming and giggly this afternoon, but I think I mean it - for me, the bad outweighs the good a lot of the time. Ask me again in a year, and hopefully I will have changed my mind about that - regardless, I have a son now and I will always be around for him whether I like it or not.

We both wish people had been more honest with us about their genuine experiences of being a parent - because of our troubles a lot of people who present a brave face in public, and appear to be perfect families, have confided that they also had a st time of it. I don't want to put you off, or try and scare you; but on paper we should have been great parents and it was very nearly the end of us. Just be aware that it is not a garden of roses, and be prepared for a lot of potentially awful stuff that NO ONE EVER WARNS YOU ABOUT!
must be great to feel loved. thanks for the warning.

aww999

2,068 posts

262 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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oddman said:
aww999 said:
My little boy is almost 10 months old now.

His arrival was like a bomb going off - my wife had an absolutely terrible time during the birth, and to be frank I think we both hated him for what she went through. I felt as if I had watched her being tortured for three days, and was then expected to dote on her torturer. She has had severe post-natal depression (now being controlled), and I think I have had bouts of something similar myself. Despite being an intelligent, financially secure, solid couple, and having a baby which friends describe as "easy", we have been on the brink of divorce, adoption and even suicide.

Maybe we're not as tough or as smart or as selfless as those who found it a walk in the park, but the last ten months have been absolute hell for both of us. My wife has often been incapable of watching the kid on her own, so I have gone weeks without any break in caring for him. I've been worried sick about her, worried sick about him and his future, and resenting the pair of them for putting me in this stty situation when I would have been quite happy filling my simple life with maths, physics and fooling around with old cars. We have gone from having fulfilling and stimulating professional and academic lives to endless hours of mindless drudgery, waiting hand and foot on this little pointless blob.

Things have finally started improving recently (eg in the last couple of weeks), and we are both a lot happier. However, the long-term implications of having a kid still terrify me, and with hindsight I wouldn't have had him. That sounds terrible and I feel bad for writing it, especially when he's been so charming and giggly this afternoon, but I think I mean it - for me, the bad outweighs the good a lot of the time. Ask me again in a year, and hopefully I will have changed my mind about that - regardless, I have a son now and I will always be around for him whether I like it or not.

We both wish people had been more honest with us about their genuine experiences of being a parent - because of our troubles a lot of people who present a brave face in public, and appear to be perfect families, have confided that they also had a st time of it. I don't want to put you off, or try and scare you; but on paper we should have been great parents and it was very nearly the end of us. Just be aware that it is not a garden of roses, and be prepared for a lot of potentially awful stuff that NO ONE EVER WARNS YOU ABOUT!
Very brave and honest post

It is also about the most chilling loveless description of a child I have ever read

I think you should seek help before somebody gets hurt. If you are already - print out your post and take it to your counsellor/Dr/ health visitor

It doesn't get easier the challenges just change.

PS to the OP - have zero expectations of your parents - then you won't be disappointed.


Edited by oddman on Friday 12th August 21:33
Things are better now - the medical help my wife is getting has taken a lot of the strain off me. Neither of us are violent people, and the kid is absolutely no danger from either of us.

One of the worst things for her to deal with was the constant pressure to be enjoying it, "bonding with him", and all the other trite bullst that NCT and mumsnet continually spout. She went from a challenging, mentally rewarding job in the City to being a slave, trapped in the house with the exception of baby groups where she just felt worse because all the other mums are "enjoying" it. No rational person in their right mind can possibly enjoy looking after a newborn, it is properly crap. Scream, feed, sleep, st, on a three hour loop for week after week after week with no respite no matter how exhausted you are. However, our culture tells mums that they should love it, and if they don't they are a failure.

No one ever steps forward and tells the other side of the story, probably because they are terrified about (a) what people might think - just look at some of the responses to my story on here; and (b) having their kid taken away by social services - hugely unlikely unless you are totally incapable of feeding and changing it etc.

OP: Things will hopefully go great for you, but there is a definite possibility you will hate the whole experience for a good length of time. If this happens to you, remember that you are not alone, and what you are feeling is an entirely understandable reaction to having your comfy, cosy life RUINED (albeit temporarily, but this is hard to see at the time). The odds are that at least one of the happy, clappy idyllic couples you know has gone through hell - but no one ever talks about it.


Edited by aww999 on Saturday 13th August 11:25

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

243 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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aww999 said:
but no one ever talks about it.
There is a reason for this.

It is because it is just you.

I'm afraid you are not a lone brave voice speaking out that which others are thinking but dare not say.

It is just you.

You describe your son as a pointless blob and parenthood as properly crap. This is not normal. Nowhere near normal.



Hysteria1983

1,616 posts

159 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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Being totally honest, it turned my world upside down! frown
Being the mum I think makes it different to a man (obvious reasons) as at first you are having to cope with what carrying a baby had done to you...

The word BROKEN springs to mind. Your body and your brain.

Coping with a tiny human being dho needs you for everything is a big deal. It is very overwhelming at first, your outlook on everything just seems to shift from the split second that child is placed in your arms.

As for all the other stuff, nappie changes, sleepless nights, sick, crying, colic and taking everything but the kitchen sink with you... That just all becomes a normal part of everyday life.

Your life does sort of go on hold to a certain extent for a few years, even if that's through your choice, the wife making take 'an active role' or just because you love your child, and want to be there as much as time and money allows.

I thought that I had done the worst thing ever when we had our two. I was 22, and there is only 17 months between them (our choice).
When all our friends were sill going out, getting drunk and having fun (us occasionally) we were at home putting the children to bed and watching films.

Fast forward 6 years, baby sitters are plentiful, and we go out pretty much whenever we want to. Now all but one of our friends are still just the two of them, and in a place financially that they don't go out, or have the money for a child. Personally I think there can be 1000's of reasons not to do it, you find a new one everyday. So it's best if you know you want a child/children, to just do it.

I'm in a happy place now. Sure we needed a bigger house and a bigger car, that's something we would have got around to, we just did it faster smile

Vytalis

1,434 posts

165 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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Justayellowbadge said:
There is a reason for this.

It is because it is just you.

I'm afraid you are not a lone brave voice speaking out that which others are thinking but dare not say.

It is just you.

You describe your son as a pointless blob and parenthood as properly crap. This is not normal. Nowhere near normal.
very wrong response IMHO. Lots of people don't bond with their kids instantly, also pnd is quite insidious andcan happen to both parents in some form. Without that bond, any sane person would feel exactly as he does.

aizvara

2,051 posts

168 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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aww999 said:
No one ever steps forward and tells the other side of the story, probably because they are terrified about (a) what people might think - just look at some of the responses to my story on here; and (b) having their kid taken away by social services - hugely unlikely unless you are totally incapable of feeding and changing it etc.

OP: Things will hopefully go great for you, but there is a definite possibility you will hate the whole experience for a good length of time. If this happens to you, remember that you are not alone, and what you are feeling is an entirely understandable reaction to having your comfy, cosy life RUINED (albeit temporarily, but this is hard to see at the time). The odds are that at least one of the happy, clappy idyllic couples you know has gone through hell - but no one ever talks about it.
Obviously I don't know who you talked to before deciding to have children, but in my circle of friends I was never under the impression that having and raising a baby was anything less than life changing and exhausting. I'm interested; what did you think it would be like? I was expecting the worst to such a degree that when he arrived and everything proceeded fairly well, I was pleasantly surprised.

He's definitely put a strain on us financial, physically and emotionally, but we've never felt that our lives have been ruined. Or resented him.

One thing I would recommend is to read the book Why Love Matters, Sue Gerhardt. I realise this is rapidly descending into mumsnet, but the single most important thing for a child is for them to feel loved unconditionally.

Hysteria1983

1,616 posts

159 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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Justayellowbadge said:
aww999 said:
but no one ever talks about it.
There is a reason for this.

It is because it is just you.

I'm afraid you are not a lone brave voice speaking out that which others are thinking but dare not say.

It is just you.

You describe your son as a pointless blob and parenthood as properly crap. This is not normal. Nowhere near normal.
I agree with you. To feel that way about your child isn't right, and it us definately a sign that medical/proffesional help is needed.

I can understand feeling a bit resentful of a baby, mostly bacause of what they do to your body? but nothing in the world
would make me feel that way about them.




aww999

2,068 posts

262 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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aizvara said:
aww999 said:
No one ever steps forward and tells the other side of the story, probably because they are terrified about (a) what people might think - just look at some of the responses to my story on here; and (b) having their kid taken away by social services - hugely unlikely unless you are totally incapable of feeding and changing it etc.

OP: Things will hopefully go great for you, but there is a definite possibility you will hate the whole experience for a good length of time. If this happens to you, remember that you are not alone, and what you are feeling is an entirely understandable reaction to having your comfy, cosy life RUINED (albeit temporarily, but this is hard to see at the time). The odds are that at least one of the happy, clappy idyllic couples you know has gone through hell - but no one ever talks about it.
Obviously I don't know who you talked to before deciding to have children, but in my circle of friends I was never under the impression that having and raising a baby was anything less than life changing and exhausting. I'm interested; what did you think it would be like? I was expecting the worst to such a degree that when he arrived and everything proceeded fairly well, I was pleasantly surprised.

He's definitely put a strain on us financial, physically and emotionally, but we've never felt that our lives have been ruined. Or resented him.

One thing I would recommend is to read the book Why Love Matters, Sue Gerhardt. I realise this is rapidly descending into mumsnet, but the single most important thing for a child is for them to feel loved unconditionally.
I knew it would be pretty rough, lack of sleep etc - common sense tells you that, but it's still a shock to the system when it happens. My wife was so determined to have a child that I suspect she only listened to what she wanted to hear, and glossed over any bad bits in her mind as "that won't happen to me, I'll do a great job". A lot of her friends are very middle-class, jolly, mumsy maternal types who seem to thrive on the whole situation. I have very few friends. One of them had a kid about eight years ago, and freely admits to having wiped all the bad memories from his mind - he is still very wary about having another with his new partner though.



aww999

2,068 posts

262 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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Justayellowbadge said:
aww999 said:
but no one ever talks about it.
You describe your son as a pointless blob and parenthood as properly crap. This is not normal. Nowhere near normal.
I'm not normal nor have I ever claimed to be. I spend far too much time wrapped up in my own head (physicist/cosmologist) and place little value on human relationships. I'm rational to a fault, so I find it hard to see past a stream of problems with little or no reward. I hope that having the kid around will help me fix that, and in some ways it already has. Things *are* getting better.

I didn't want to turn this into a thread about me, but the social attitude of "you must love having a child or you are WRONG IN THE HEAD" did us no favours - I just wanted to post an alternative viewpoint, although maybe our case is too extreme to be acceptable.

Hysteria1983

1,616 posts

159 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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I think it's down to your outlook.

A sleepless night leads to a bad day, you all get grumpy, tired irratable and what do you look forward to?
Another sleepless night!

OR you can get up, slap a smile on your face, get out for a few hours and get some fresh air. Maybe have a picnic or a bite to eat somewhere, anywhere that isn't contained between the four Walls you live in.

I suspect part of it is stress and worry.

Fear that this child that is the dictator will cry when it's not supposed to, somewhere inconveniant perhaps?

Who cares? It's a baby, it's supposed to cry, it's allowed to be sad or be grumpy or just want cuddles all the time. It doesn't matter what the other mums do, fk the other mums!!

You need to focus on what makes your family happy, and what a great job you can do, not all the others.


aizvara

2,051 posts

168 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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aww999 said:
I knew it would be pretty rough, lack of sleep etc - common sense tells you that, but it's still a shock to the system when it happens. My wife was so determined to have a child that I suspect she only listened to what she wanted to hear, and glossed over any bad bits in her mind as "that won't happen to me, I'll do a great job". A lot of her friends are very middle-class, jolly, mumsy maternal types who seem to thrive on the whole situation. I have very few friends. One of them had a kid about eight years ago, and freely admits to having wiped all the bad memories from his mind - he is still very wary about having another with his new partner though.
The determination thing; I think we were almost the opposite. My girlfriend was largely as terrified as I was, but we both felt we wanted a child, and she felt it had to be now. We're certainly not jolly mumsy/dad types; we over think stuff way too much which can be less than helpful when raising a child. We know two people who had hard times coping, post-natal depression and suchlike; they've both gone on to have further children so things do get better.

Also, I don't know if this applies to you, but I guess its harder in some ways for a lot of couples these days, as they have often moved far from their families, and with later parenthood especially, they may no longer have grandparents able to help. We've suffered from this: I think the ideal situation for a child would be to be brought up in a large extended family setting, not just put all the pressure on Mum and Dad.

SSC!

1,849 posts

181 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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Bloody hell, some of you lot are scaring the st outta me and I'm just over 2 months pregnant!!

How do I see my life changing....

Not one bloody bit!

I never did the expensive holiday's abroad, I would rather spend my money on my house and then take off with the tent in the car for some well earned peace if required.

I changed careers so that I could fullfill my dream of one day becoming a mum, unfortunatley as there was no man on the scene I decided to get on with it myself and have had IVF with donor sperm. I now work from home as a childminder, I have the Pathfinder for ferrying the kids about and the Muzzy for playing at the weekend. I am looking to sell muzzy but not because I am having a baby but because I fancy something cheaper with 2 seats and no roof. rofl

I WILL still be attending my car runs and shows but just will an added little extra in tow.

I am very lucky in that my parents are very close, I also have a wealth of friends who have been totally supportive of my choice to go it alone and have already offered to stay over on the odd night during the first few months to help me catch up with sleep.

Advice I would give those guys who's wives are finding it hard..... GET OUT OF THE HOUSE!! I run around after three babies/toddlers every day and I would go BAT st mental if I ended up stuck in the house all day with them, get out to toddler groups/parks as often as you can so you can meet other mum's and have someone to have a wee moan to other than their hubby etc. And don't read too many parenting forums, they can be a bit like PH, easily taken out of context.

Wishing you all well with the new daddies and your new soon to be arrivals.

Ave x

Blatter

857 posts

192 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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"Just how much did your life change when you had children?"

Sounds cliché but immeasurably, and for the better. Gave my life a sense of direction and purpose.

As for seeing your own children being born - well, nothing tops that !

SeeFive

8,280 posts

234 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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Depends on your view of kids. I do not like kids on the whole, but mine were fantastic to be around the minute they arrived. Our life changed a lot for the better. We had two daughters, two years apart. This is a handy number as when you are out and about, there is a 1:1 ratio with each child to each parent.

There were challenges, mainly personal time (the greatest gift you can give your child) and financial, but spending time with the kids, doing the things they wanted to do and watching their faces more than outweighs the sacrifices of not going out on the piss so frequently, not touring with a band, and tending to go places and do things as a family rather than a mid-20's couple. Plus I got to see all the Disney films again!!

Initially, losing a salary was a bit of an issue (there was no way they were going to child care before school days). Three years earlier we had bought our first house on the extremes of what we could afford, and my single income had almost, but not quite made up for my wife's salary. the added cost of a child was an impact, but not as bad as some seem to make out. So we lost some bunce and lifestyle, but we gained a massive happiness.

The next 14 years were the best years of my life. Not only did we get great fun out of the girls, but the grandparents were involved in a lot that we did - and they love kids, so we saw them benefit too.

When my daughters got to a certain age, like most kids they became more independent and we spent less time with them - high days and holidays etc. But still lots of interaction and discussion around their impending adulthood.

So maximise the next 14 years. There are so many things that makes it easy, but chiefly, I'd say, ask them what they want to do a lot, rather than dragging them along with you. When you plan to do things, think with a childish mind - maybe about the things that you would have loved to do as a kid, or things that you did that you really enjoyed, and do them. See the joy that it brings them as a thing to make you happy, and watch that relationship, love and trust between you grow.

Get it right, and you too will look back on it once they have flown the nest as the best years of your lives.

s3fella

10,524 posts

188 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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Blatter said:
As for seeing your own children being born - well, nothing tops that !
Each to their own, I was there but very much stayyed "East Abeam", didn't want to get in the way of the guy with the catcher's mit!

Also, preferred to not view the missus' growler inside out! Many say you cannot erase it from your mind and it can prey on you in intimate moments!! How do I know all this, well who was the Ph'er who posted his kid's birth on You Tube and who's missus's growler we've all seen both internally and externally??
laugh

"East Abeam" is well worth considering!! :-)

Hysteria1983

1,616 posts

159 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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I just asked Mr P this question. His answer was...

CHRIST! There are not enough words!!

stuttgartmetal

8,108 posts

217 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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Your child is better than any car, any watch, any camera, anything you will ever own or experience.
The very best part of your life.
Remember to enjoy the moment, enjoy doing it, because when its gone, its gone.
I look back at photos of my girl, and wonder why I worried and was so stressed , the photos look tremendous.
It was the worry.
As a parent you worry about everything.

thetapeworm

11,313 posts

240 months

Saturday 13th August 2011
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My first is due at the end of November... now I'm scared!