Anyone got Prince2 / Project management quals?
Discussion
Cara Van Man said:
As per the title....worth having?
Yes for CVCara Van Man said:
Mean anything?
Only on your CVCara Van Man said:
Waste of time?
Certainly, but its still worth it to put on your CVCara Van Man said:
I've been offered a course and wondered if it was worth having on the CV.
Yes
All IMO.
Prince2 worth having for public sector. You'd never manage by it as you'd drown in endless documents and bureaucracy. I wouldn't say it improves your earnings chances, as most places state it as a minimum entry criterion. MSP is better (less rigid, more applicable), but more aimed towards senior management. Rarely a pre-requisite, but well regarded in the public sector if you're going for senior roles. Not sure what you're going for.
WRT to APMP, then as with Prince2 it's just a question of how well you can regurgitate the text book. A much better regarded qualification is the APM PQ where you are observed in action over a number of days - recognition that you can actually manage rather than talk about it.
Good luck anyway.
WRT to APMP, then as with Prince2 it's just a question of how well you can regurgitate the text book. A much better regarded qualification is the APM PQ where you are observed in action over a number of days - recognition that you can actually manage rather than talk about it.
Good luck anyway.
)Cara Van Man said:
bigdods said:
Cara Van Man said:
dan101smith said:
Do you have PM experience already?
It depends how you class what I've been doing. I've been running a department providing training to 200 personnel for the last 3 years. this involves liaising with various outside agencies on contracts and a multitude of other jobs including instructional design and TNA stuff.....Prince2 training will give you a good grounding in all the project delivery disciplines then you will be able to work out where you fit and how much applies to the work you currently do
Edited by bigdods on Thursday 24th September 12:58
All good info, thanks.
The courses I have been offered are
1) Prince 2 Project Management (£1040 including vat + exam)
2) APMP Project Management (£900 including vat + exam)
from a lay point of view they appear much of a muchness......which way to go?
or do both?
Edited by Cara Van Man on Thursday 24th September 13:23
If it helps to decide between the two, P2 is more like a methodology than a tool kit, APMP is more the other way around.
I would disagree with an earlier comment about PMI being required to work internationally, I've found Prince 2 to have been requested far more often. PMI is a lot more useful in the States though.
You may as well do both. No idea if Prince / Prince 2 is any use outside of MoD procurement, but you don't want to be seen off by not using your full entitlement to allowances - you are entitled enhanced learning credits up to the value of £2000 per year for a maximum of 3 years provided you pay a 25% contribution to any courses.
If you worked at Abbeywood, you wouldn't even need to pay that as it would come out of your manager's training budget.
If you worked at Abbeywood, you wouldn't even need to pay that as it would come out of your manager's training budget.
I'm a PM in the Oil Industry and it wouldn't assist in any way for a job in this arena. You get to be a PM here by being a Project Engineer for a few years and learning how ultimately to be a PM. You learn about schedules, risk, cost control, etc. by being exposed to them and seeing them used in a real environment by your peers.
Call me old fashioned but if I was employing someone as a PM, a CV with a weeks course in PM mechanisms would sway me about as much as saying that you have an interest in stamp collecting. If you need the course to satisfy entry criteria for a job then fine, but don't think having it will open doors direct into being a PM. If you want some advice on getting into being a PM, lower your target and look for a position such as lead engineer or deputy PM rather than going straight for the top job.
Call me old fashioned but if I was employing someone as a PM, a CV with a weeks course in PM mechanisms would sway me about as much as saying that you have an interest in stamp collecting. If you need the course to satisfy entry criteria for a job then fine, but don't think having it will open doors direct into being a PM. If you want some advice on getting into being a PM, lower your target and look for a position such as lead engineer or deputy PM rather than going straight for the top job.
fatbutt said:
I'm a PM in the Oil Industry and it wouldn't assist in any way for a job in this arena. You get to be a PM here by being a Project Engineer for a few years and learning how ultimately to be a PM. You learn about schedules, risk, cost control, etc. by being exposed to them and seeing them used in a real environment by your peers.
Call me old fashioned but if I was employing someone as a PM, a CV with a weeks course in PM mechanisms would sway me about as much as saying that you have an interest in stamp collecting. If you need the course to satisfy entry criteria for a job then fine, but don't think having it will open doors direct into being a PM. If you want some advice on getting into being a PM, lower your target and look for a position such as lead engineer or deputy PM rather than going straight for the top job.
I would agree with this. I got my job as a PM without Prince2, and at present don't intend to carry it out either. That said, there are a lot of employers who would want it as a minimum, so I would say to do it. I'm going to do mine at some point, if I feel I'm going to need it (and work will pay for it).Call me old fashioned but if I was employing someone as a PM, a CV with a weeks course in PM mechanisms would sway me about as much as saying that you have an interest in stamp collecting. If you need the course to satisfy entry criteria for a job then fine, but don't think having it will open doors direct into being a PM. If you want some advice on getting into being a PM, lower your target and look for a position such as lead engineer or deputy PM rather than going straight for the top job.
Also, as one of the first people to post has said... You may have the qualification, but if you've got no people skills, you've got no chance. Of course, from what I've seen on here, you are an excellent people person
With regards to APM. AFAIK, it's meant to complement Prince2, and has been designed to do so; so I would recommend doing both.
Edited by Pulse on Thursday 24th September 17:15
Pulse said:
fatbutt said:
I'm a PM in the Oil Industry and it wouldn't assist in any way for a job in this arena. You get to be a PM here by being a Project Engineer for a few years and learning how ultimately to be a PM. You learn about schedules, risk, cost control, etc. by being exposed to them and seeing them used in a real environment by your peers.
Call me old fashioned but if I was employing someone as a PM, a CV with a weeks course in PM mechanisms would sway me about as much as saying that you have an interest in stamp collecting. If you need the course to satisfy entry criteria for a job then fine, but don't think having it will open doors direct into being a PM. If you want some advice on getting into being a PM, lower your target and look for a position such as lead engineer or deputy PM rather than going straight for the top job.
I would agree with this. I got my job as a PM without Prince2, and at present don't intend to carry it out either. That said, there are a lot of employers who would want it as a minimum, so I would say to do it. I'm going to do mine at some point, if I feel I'm going to need it (and work will pay for it).Call me old fashioned but if I was employing someone as a PM, a CV with a weeks course in PM mechanisms would sway me about as much as saying that you have an interest in stamp collecting. If you need the course to satisfy entry criteria for a job then fine, but don't think having it will open doors direct into being a PM. If you want some advice on getting into being a PM, lower your target and look for a position such as lead engineer or deputy PM rather than going straight for the top job.
Also, as one of the first people to post has said... You may have the qualification, but if you've got no people skills, you've got no chance. Of course, from what I've seen on here, you are an excellent people person
With regards to APM. AFAIK, it's meant to complement Prince2, and has been designed to do so; so I would recommend doing both.
Edited by Pulse on Thursday 24th September 17:15
People close to me say that I am well suited to going into this area and I've been pretty successful in whatever I've done so far in my career.
All good info chaps....keep it coming!
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