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FreeLitres said:
The trainers and formal shoes debate rages on.
I kind of wish there were two seperate threads.
I like the fact there is a mixture on here, especially when looking at what people drive/what shoes they wear. Throws up some interesting results I kind of wish there were two seperate threads.
It's usually the brogue lovers that moan about us trainer lovers, not the other way around...
technodup said:
Funkycoldribena said:
They make a welcome change from old man brogues.
Quite. I can't understand it, at what age do they become acceptable? I'm 37 and find most of them pretty dire, I don't see others wearing them and am struggling to feel the love they get on here.
At what point does a shoe become a brogue? When the edge of the heel and toecap are punched? Medallion on the toecap? I suspect most people would not refer to an austerity brogue as a brogue so it is all very subjective.
Here is the only pair I own with any level of broguing and they are technically an Adelaide.
I was 26 when I bought these so I'm not sure there is "an age when they become acceptable" - but then again I do not seek the approval of others.
Edited by InductionRoar on Saturday 2nd January 15:03
BrabusMog said:
FreeLitres said:
The trainers and formal shoes debate rages on.
I kind of wish there were two seperate threads.
I like the fact there is a mixture on here, especially when looking at what people drive/what shoes they wear. Throws up some interesting results I kind of wish there were two seperate threads.
It's usually the brogue lovers that moan about us trainer lovers, not the other way around...
Anyway what you going to call it? "Show us your brown shoes with funny patterns on the end"thread?
Funkycoldribena said:
BrabusMog said:
FreeLitres said:
The trainers and formal shoes debate rages on.
I kind of wish there were two seperate threads.
I like the fact there is a mixture on here, especially when looking at what people drive/what shoes they wear. Throws up some interesting results I kind of wish there were two seperate threads.
It's usually the brogue lovers that moan about us trainer lovers, not the other way around...
Anyway what you going to call it? "Show us your brown shoes with funny patterns on the end"thread?
Show us your shoes that match your walking stick.
Just kidding of course, anyone that gets annoyed about a thread on footwear on PistonHeads probably needs to take a step back
BrabusMog said:
Show us your new gum soled, suede uppered, 3 stripe (or other) beauties.
Show us your shoes that match your walking stick.
Just kidding of course, anyone that gets annoyed about a thread on footwear on PistonHeads probably needs to take a step back
Indeed, Vive la difference! Even though I'm lighter of pocket ,I'm glad I stumbled over this thread, now being the owner of 3 pairs of moderately 'high end' shoes and also more knowledgeable about the skill and craftsmanship that goes into making them. Now, where to buy a pair of two tone Barker brogues.............Show us your shoes that match your walking stick.
Just kidding of course, anyone that gets annoyed about a thread on footwear on PistonHeads probably needs to take a step back
InductionRoar said:
"Brogue" means nothing in the context of shoe styles and only refers to the stylized punching.
That is as I have always understood it.The style of shoe refers to the Oxford, Derby and Blucher.
Any of these may also be a brogue simply by the addition of hole punching an overlaid leather detail.
InductionRoar said:
At what point does a shoe become a brogue? When the edge of the heel and toecap are punched? Medallion on the toecap? I suspect most people would not refer to an austerity brogue as a brogue so it is all very subjective.
Here is the only pair I own with any level of broguing and they are technically an Adelaide.
As I understand it, any amount of punching along a given seam of overlaid leather (such as a toe cap) makes the shoe a brogue.Here is the only pair I own with any level of broguing and they are technically an Adelaide.
The above pictured shoes are an Oxford style which is determined by the 'closed' lacing design.
Whereas these below are a Derby determined by the 'open' lacing design, and full wrap around leather top. (stock photo, not mine)
This is a Blucher Brogue. On a Blucher, the lacing is open and the top leather does not extend fully around the shoe and may or may not incorporate a heal cap.
I particularly like the Derby above myself, with it's very clean, uncomplicated styling (tan/brown/black) as it can service for business and casual, but for formal business wear with a good suit, the Oxford is considered the standard (preferably plain, not brogue).
A patent leather Oxford is also the norm for black tie evening wear of course, though there is a style of slipper also accepted for black tie. Not for me mind, but I have seen it.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
As I understand it, any amount of punching along a given seam of overlaid leather (such as a toe cap) makes the shoe a brogue.
That is most people's understanding and much like the "What is a sportscar" thread that went on for weeks nobody is ever going to nail the exact definition down because it is too subjective a term. In my opinion a plain captoe oxford with a row of punching across the toecap does not make a brogue.Austerity brogues have no punching and faux brogues (essentially wholecuts with rows of stitching and punching to imitate seams) are quite uncommon yet are still categorized as such by virtue of the style of the shoe.
InductionRoar said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
As I understand it, any amount of punching along a given seam of overlaid leather (such as a toe cap) makes the shoe a brogue.
That is most people's understanding and much like the "What is a sportscar" thread that went on for weeks nobody is ever going to nail the exact definition down because it is too subjective a term. In my opinion a plain captoe oxford with a row of punching across the toecap does not make a brogue.I will happily bow to expert opinion if (no offence) it can be had.
InductionRoar said:
Austerity brogues have no punching and faux brogues (essentially wholecuts with rows of stitching and punching to imitate seams) are quite uncommon yet are still categorized as such by virtue of the style of the shoe.
I had to look up austerity brogue as I had never seen anything actually described as such. Clearly I need to spend more time in the shoe shops in Jermyn Street than I have to date.The best reason given for them being described as brogues, was along the lines of; during the war they produced the design of shoe they had previously produced, but left out the hole punching so as not to have to finish and polish the leather under the overlay. They then continued to describe them as a brogue (austerity brogue), because they were the same basic construction as before, but without the holes. Presumably to increase customer confidence.
It would have seemed simpler, and of better economy had the government banned leather overlays such as toe caps, but that wouldn't be the only anomaly of the times would it?
Apparently some liked the new 'style' so much, some makers determined to keep making them.
I can't even find reference to faux brogues, except where the leather is faux leather.
technodup said:
Funkycoldribena said:
They make a welcome change from old man brogues.
Quite. I can't understand it, at what age do they become acceptable? I'm 37 and find most of them pretty dire, I don't see others wearing them and am struggling to feel the love they get on here.
Same age, but never felt the love for Brogues. Or even Monks. And definitely NEVER Penny Loafers! (The preserve of the f
kboy who probably wears Hurache's and spikes girls drinks!)Yes I do tend to wear Sneakers most of the time. Onitsuka's, AM90 or Adidas High Tops currently. But I'm not adverse to more formal shoes, albeit more often smart casual loafers or Chelsea's for the correct environment.
Currently looking for some black Chelsea's which are suitable for Bar/Club wear. And also something like a Adidas SuperStar2 in plain white or grey all leather.
Edited by Rich_W on Saturday 2nd January 18:24
Goaty Bill 2 said:
InductionRoar said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
As I understand it, any amount of punching along a given seam of overlaid leather (such as a toe cap) makes the shoe a brogue.
That is most people's understanding and much like the "What is a sportscar" thread that went on for weeks nobody is ever going to nail the exact definition down because it is too subjective a term. In my opinion a plain captoe oxford with a row of punching across the toecap does not make a brogue.I will happily bow to expert opinion if (no offence) it can be had.
InductionRoar said:
Austerity brogues have no punching and faux brogues (essentially wholecuts with rows of stitching and punching to imitate seams) are quite uncommon yet are still categorized as such by virtue of the style of the shoe.
I had to look up austerity brogue as I had never seen anything actually described as such. Clearly I need to spend more time in the shoe shops in Jermyn Street than I have to date.The best reason given for them being described as brogues, was along the lines of; during the war they produced the design of shoe they had previously produced, but left out the hole punching so as not to have to finish and polish the leather under the overlay. They then continued to describe them as a brogue (austerity brogue), because they were the same basic construction as before, but without the holes. Presumably to increase customer confidence.
It would have seemed simpler, and of better economy had the government banned leather overlays such as toe caps, but that wouldn't be the only anomaly of the times would it?
Apparently some liked the new 'style' so much, some makers determined to keep making them.
I can't even find reference to faux brogues, except where the leather is faux leather.
Here is a faux brogue (sometimes referred to as a faux wingtip - however that only need mean the wingtip is done in this manner and the rest of the shoe could still be seamed).
InductionRoar said:
EG make a nice austerity brogue (Beaulieu) so on your next trip to Jermyn Street...
Here is a faux brogue (sometimes referred to as a faux wingtip - however that only need mean the wingtip is done in this manner and the rest of the shoe could still be seamed).
In need of some decent 'plain' black Oxfords first, but I will make a point of looking for austerity brogues specifically. (Just had a peak at the Beaulieu online. All becomes clear.)Here is a faux brogue (sometimes referred to as a faux wingtip - however that only need mean the wingtip is done in this manner and the rest of the shoe could still be seamed).
I see what is meant by faux brogues now thanks. I have seen that a few times as it happens, just not specifically described as such.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
In need of some decent 'plain' black Oxfords first, but I will make a point of looking for austerity brogues specifically. (Just had a peak at the Beaulieu online. All becomes clear.)
I see what is meant by faux brogues now thanks. I have seen that a few times as it happens, just not specifically described as such.
Please update the thread when you purchase them - I always enjoy the responses.I see what is meant by faux brogues now thanks. I have seen that a few times as it happens, just not specifically described as such.
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