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Bjerke said:
May be you could consider providing some form of seminar on a police speed awareness courses. From the way you write you would be a valuable asset to such a course.
As far as I recall (without re reading the entire thread) there was no suggestion that he was exceeding the speed limit.Highly topical. I saw an interview with some shrink this morning on the news about driving offences and the differing ways of dealing with drivers.
He said these courses that drunken drivers and speeders (not insinuating that the OP was either of these) are offered do not work. Courses need to be more tailored to the requirments of each offender. Not just some person cobbling together some data issued by the government and reiterating it, schooly style. People just attend to get there fines/term of ban reduced and do not pay attention to the detail.
Although my son attended one and came back with a better attitude and has become a good driver now.
He said these courses that drunken drivers and speeders (not insinuating that the OP was either of these) are offered do not work. Courses need to be more tailored to the requirments of each offender. Not just some person cobbling together some data issued by the government and reiterating it, schooly style. People just attend to get there fines/term of ban reduced and do not pay attention to the detail.
Although my son attended one and came back with a better attitude and has become a good driver now.
Ding said:
Highly topical. I saw an interview with some shrink this morning on the news about driving offences and the differing ways of dealing with drivers.
He said these courses that drunken drivers and speeders (not insinuating that the OP was either of these) are offered do not work. Courses need to be more tailored to the requirments of each offender. Not just some person cobbling together some data issued by the government and reiterating it, schooly style. People just attend to get there fines/term of ban reduced and do not pay attention to the detail.
Although my son attended one and came back with a better attitude and has become a good driver now.
maybe because he knows next time it wont be a speed awareness course, rather 3/6 points and a ridiculous insurance premium to boot?He said these courses that drunken drivers and speeders (not insinuating that the OP was either of these) are offered do not work. Courses need to be more tailored to the requirments of each offender. Not just some person cobbling together some data issued by the government and reiterating it, schooly style. People just attend to get there fines/term of ban reduced and do not pay attention to the detail.
Although my son attended one and came back with a better attitude and has become a good driver now.
Ding said:
Highly topical. I saw an interview with some shrink this morning on the news about driving offences and the differing ways of dealing with drivers.
He said these courses that drunken drivers and speeders (not insinuating that the OP was either of these) are offered do not work. Courses need to be more tailored to the requirments of each offender. Not just some person cobbling together some data issued by the government and reiterating it, schooly style. People just attend to get there fines/term of ban reduced and do not pay attention to the detail.
Although my son attended one and came back with a better attitude and has become a good driver now.
Everyone that I know that's been on one has praised them saying that they were very good, and not what they expected at all. Which surprised me tbh.He said these courses that drunken drivers and speeders (not insinuating that the OP was either of these) are offered do not work. Courses need to be more tailored to the requirments of each offender. Not just some person cobbling together some data issued by the government and reiterating it, schooly style. People just attend to get there fines/term of ban reduced and do not pay attention to the detail.
Although my son attended one and came back with a better attitude and has become a good driver now.
Ding said:
Highly topical. I saw an interview with some shrink this morning on the news about driving offences and the differing ways of dealing with drivers.
He said these courses that drunken drivers and speeders (not insinuating that the OP was either of these) are offered do not work. Courses need to be more tailored to the requirments of each offender. Not just some person cobbling together some data issued by the government and reiterating it, schooly style. People just attend to get there fines/term of ban reduced and do not pay attention to the detail.
Although my son attended one and came back with a better attitude and has become a good driver now.
Emmm.. they obviously do work then.He said these courses that drunken drivers and speeders (not insinuating that the OP was either of these) are offered do not work. Courses need to be more tailored to the requirments of each offender. Not just some person cobbling together some data issued by the government and reiterating it, schooly style. People just attend to get there fines/term of ban reduced and do not pay attention to the detail.
Although my son attended one and came back with a better attitude and has become a good driver now.
10 Pence Short said:
Ding said:
Highly topical. I saw an interview with some shrink this morning on the news about driving offences and the differing ways of dealing with drivers.
He said these courses that drunken drivers and speeders (not insinuating that the OP was either of these) are offered do not work. Courses need to be more tailored to the requirments of each offender. Not just some person cobbling together some data issued by the government and reiterating it, schooly style. People just attend to get there fines/term of ban reduced and do not pay attention to the detail.
Although my son attended one and came back with a better attitude and has become a good driver now.
I thought one thing really missing was any attempt by the State to educate me afterwards. If I'd been caught in Carlisle doing 34mph in a 30mph limit, I'd have been able to sit through half a day's lecture showing me what I was doing wrong. Yet you drive up the side of the mountain as if you're on the Nurburgring and nearly kill another motorist, and there is no mention of rehabilitation other than the obvious punishment.He said these courses that drunken drivers and speeders (not insinuating that the OP was either of these) are offered do not work. Courses need to be more tailored to the requirments of each offender. Not just some person cobbling together some data issued by the government and reiterating it, schooly style. People just attend to get there fines/term of ban reduced and do not pay attention to the detail.
Although my son attended one and came back with a better attitude and has become a good driver now.
You could argue that having to pass an extended retest is re-education, but in reality it's not that at all, as it's literally what it says- an extend version of the regular test.
As it happens I realised the moment it all went wrong that I could never behave like that again on the road, but it's a pretty big assumption that all drivers who do something wrong (be it Careless or Dangerous) accept that they have and agree with their prosecution.
I would have thought particularly in cases of Careless, it would be well worthwhile making them pass a specific course to deal with the issue that put them before the court in the first place. The driver could be given a time limit to do it before their licence is revoked. At least that way we're getting offenders to learn from their mistakes.
Edited by patmahe on Thursday 9th September 10:24
maurauth said:
10 Pence Short said:
Best of intentions and all that...
At the moment I'm very lucky in that I'm working and busy most of my day, including weekends for the time being.
I'd love to sit down a write up the remaining part of the diary and perhaps have a finished 'product' that could be put to good use, but for the time being I shouldn't make any promises to how soon that can happen.
Interestingly, 8 days ago was the third anniversary of my prison sentence commencing and Thursday will be the 4th anniversary of the accident. The motorcyclist still hasn't had the payout from my insurers. I sincerely hope his life is improving as time moves on, and that the insurers sort themselves out and settle with him. It seems very unjust that I've returned 99% back to where I was before he's even had the comfort of the accident situation being 'over'.
what sort of red tape is holding the insurers up, surely if you've admitted it was your fault, be sentenced, and actually served your sentence then it is well past the time they can delay paying out until?At the moment I'm very lucky in that I'm working and busy most of my day, including weekends for the time being.
I'd love to sit down a write up the remaining part of the diary and perhaps have a finished 'product' that could be put to good use, but for the time being I shouldn't make any promises to how soon that can happen.
Interestingly, 8 days ago was the third anniversary of my prison sentence commencing and Thursday will be the 4th anniversary of the accident. The motorcyclist still hasn't had the payout from my insurers. I sincerely hope his life is improving as time moves on, and that the insurers sort themselves out and settle with him. It seems very unjust that I've returned 99% back to where I was before he's even had the comfort of the accident situation being 'over'.
also talking of a publishing deal or whatever with the royalties split between the biker&family for care, and a charity (I think you mentioned at the start of the thread about the air ambulance?), would the proceeds of crime act stop you from even giving the money away?
7 years later he still hadn't received a settlement.
I heard recently that he died of a brain haemorrhage a few years ago, maybe 48 years old.
Just read the whole of this thread, a very sobering read indeed!
10 pence you have served your time and seem to have almost got back to normal but as you mention I am sure you will always think about this in your life, maybe not everyday but perhaps each time you see a bike or a Honda or a Police car a prison van etc
As for the biker one cannot even imagine the suffering and distress he goes through daily, his wife and children will also be suffering.
If by sharing this with us you have managed to make one of us think before we go tearing off down the road then at least you have helped
Hope you get a chance to finish this off one day.
10 pence you have served your time and seem to have almost got back to normal but as you mention I am sure you will always think about this in your life, maybe not everyday but perhaps each time you see a bike or a Honda or a Police car a prison van etc
As for the biker one cannot even imagine the suffering and distress he goes through daily, his wife and children will also be suffering.
If by sharing this with us you have managed to make one of us think before we go tearing off down the road then at least you have helped
Hope you get a chance to finish this off one day.
Been following this thread (and this http://prison-diary.blogspot.com/) since it first popped up.
Was wondering if maybe the final entries have been put up on another thread, couldn't see anything on the search engines?
Was wondering if maybe the final entries have been put up on another thread, couldn't see anything on the search engines?
10 Pence Short said:
I'd kind of promised myself I wouldn't go down the route of publishing any more of the prison diary; I wanted to forget about the whole thing.
But a few months is a long time with my muddled thought processes, so watch this space for a couple of weeks and I'll see what I can do.
As always, let me know if you do and I'll post it up on the blog. Always happy to help out.But a few months is a long time with my muddled thought processes, so watch this space for a couple of weeks and I'll see what I can do.
10 Pence Short said:
I'd kind of promised myself I wouldn't go down the route of publishing any more of the prison diary; I wanted to forget about the whole thing.
But a few months is a long time with my muddled thought processes, so watch this space for a couple of weeks and I'll see what I can do.
Good stuff 10PS.But a few months is a long time with my muddled thought processes, so watch this space for a couple of weeks and I'll see what I can do.
I appreciate it is obviously a (very) difficult thing for you to have dealt with in your life, but please do not underestimate how much good can (and almost certainly has already) come from this incident in terms of making us keen drivers (especially young & naive) realise how quickly things can go badly wrong on a spirited drive.
ETA. I think its also worth stressing that you have a very good writing sytle; very readable and you come across really well.
Edited by monthefish on Tuesday 18th January 10:47
monthefish said:
10 Pence Short said:
I'd kind of promised myself I wouldn't go down the route of publishing any more of the prison diary; I wanted to forget about the whole thing.
But a few months is a long time with my muddled thought processes, so watch this space for a couple of weeks and I'll see what I can do.
Good stuff 10PS.But a few months is a long time with my muddled thought processes, so watch this space for a couple of weeks and I'll see what I can do.
I appreciate it is obviously a (very) difficult thing for you to have dealt with in your life, but please do not underestimate how much good can (and almost certainly has already) come from this incident in terms of making us keen drivers (especially young & naive) realise how quickly things can go badly wrong.
10PS, I would love to read the rest of the diary if you are going to post it, but if you dont want to, please dont feel you have to.
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