Gun Pawn - Warning - Lots of Pictures - as requested
Discussion
Saddle bum said:
I prefer the historical aspects of the Lee-Enfield.
Nice looking Pattern 1914 on there as well. Not a lot of people realize that the British Designed but US adapted and built M1917 was more prolific with US troops in WW I than the Springfield. The M1917 was based on the P14.aeropilot said:
WorAl said:
That's very true as it's decommissioned (though I don't think it'd be too hard to....
) but the look on people faces when you have it on your knee (passenger seat) when being driven around town is priceless 
It actually would be quite hard to ) but the look on people faces when you have it on your knee (passenger seat) when being driven around town is priceless And as for the 2nd part of that post.....
FaineantFreddy said:
Not trying to hijack the thread but...
Anyone following this thread shoot .308 long range match/sniper rifles?
Any pics, information, advice if someone wanted to take it up?
Can't speak to the UK's firearms laws, but probably the best rifle for a starter would be on of the many Remington 700's chambered in .308/7.62 NATO. I wouldn't suggest investing in more top end gear until/unless you become proficient with the Remmy. Top end target/sniper rifles and associated gear can be as expensive a hobby as cars.Anyone following this thread shoot .308 long range match/sniper rifles?
Any pics, information, advice if someone wanted to take it up?
El Guapo said:
Does Florida have separate permits for handguns, rifles and shotguns or is there one generic firearm permit?
You do not need a permit to buy firearms or own firearms. A permit is only required if you want to conceal carry a firearm (or other weapon including knives)El Guapo said:
Does a handgun permit let you carry concealed or is that an additional piece of paper?
Permit is credit card size and plastic (see mine earlier in this thread) and Florida's allows you to carry any weapon concealed. You can open carry (unconcealed) in Florida when hunting or fishing. There is a bill in the Florida legislature right now (that our new Governor says that he WILL sign) that will allow those with a permit to open carry at all times if they want.El Guapo said:
Do you have to attend any training courses before applying for these permit(s)?
Yes. Florida law requires a training class to be signed off by a State authorized instructor and/or NRA instructor certifying that you have met certain firearms educational requirements. As part of this, the instructor has to certify your competence in a live fire range environment.El Guapo said:
You fancy a weekend in Atlanta. Can you pack heat across state lines?
Florida's license is one of the most widely accepted in the nation (including the State of Georgia) It works a lot like State issued Driver's Licenses through a type of reciprocity. So, yes, if I fancied a night out in Buckhead or underground Atlanta I can carry. Very few States don't accept Florida's license. Mostly, the usual suspects - The People's Republic of Kalifornia, The Volksrepublik of Massachusetts and The Bloomberg Empire of New York.Good questions.
ETA... (Florida Reciprocity)
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_ca...
Edited by ErnestM on Thursday 10th February 16:40
car crazy said:
Excellent thread and an equally excellent collection Ernest, If i remember correctly you also have a very nice white espirit turbo a bit of a real life james bond collection
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I haven't fired anything myself since the first gulf war and that was only an SA80 but i'm hoping to go on a range in pattaya Thailand next january they have a dessert eagle and some AK's from Vietnam/Cambodia
Blue Esprit (v8) - still have it, but thanks. AK's are fun but I have found mine to not be very accurate. I guess it's like the old saying "An AK-47 will not jam. It won't hit anything either, but it won't jam.".I haven't fired anything myself since the first gulf war and that was only an SA80 but i'm hoping to go on a range in pattaya Thailand next january they have a dessert eagle and some AK's from Vietnam/Cambodia
TVR1 said:
Ernest and Andy, thank you for the links and information-very interesting reading. Unfortunately, because of UK gun laws now, most of us will never be able to see/feel a pistol let alone own one. Since 1997,small firearms (effectively pistol) ownership has been pretty much banned in the UK (Northern Ireland is still slightly different though). If you want to get a feel of how things are here, once again Wiki comes to the rescue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_U...
FaineantFreddie, this is a quite useful and informative site I came across a little while ago. I too was looking at getting back into shooting but personal reasons (impending migration, lack of time) stopped me from doing it just now.
http://www.riflesintheuk.com/
Once again, great thread Ernest
You are very welcome!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_U...
FaineantFreddie, this is a quite useful and informative site I came across a little while ago. I too was looking at getting back into shooting but personal reasons (impending migration, lack of time) stopped me from doing it just now.
http://www.riflesintheuk.com/
Once again, great thread Ernest
redtwin said:
To be fair though, the average redneck won't be able to afford a fraction of that collection. The collector's name was Dillon and I wouldn't be surprised if he was the same Dillon behind this empire. http://www.dillonprecision.com/
Don't let the down home southern accent fool you in to thinking "hick redneck". There is a good chance that many of the people on that shoot were highly educated and very successful business owners and professionals. Full autos are very expensive to buy and shoot.
Very true on all counts. A lot of very succesful southern businessmen have made fortunes from people thinking that the southern drawl was akin to an IQ test. They laugh all the way to the bank.Don't let the down home southern accent fool you in to thinking "hick redneck". There is a good chance that many of the people on that shoot were highly educated and very successful business owners and professionals. Full autos are very expensive to buy and shoot.
pokethepope said:
ErnestM said:
El Guapo said:
Does Florida have separate permits for handguns, rifles and shotguns or is there one generic firearm permit?
You do not need a permit to buy firearms or own firearms. A permit is only required if you want to conceal carry a firearm (or other weapon including knives)Most States also have a "waiting period" or "cooling off period" (normally 3 days) for all handgun purchases. In Florida, if you have a concealed weapons license, you avoid the waiting period and get to take your new heater home upon purchase.
It's a good system provided all of the cogs are turning in the right direction. The "cog" that broke down in the Jared Laughner case was that local law enforcement did not prosecute him for multiple drug offenses and nobody went to the trouble of getting him certified as unstable via a court (parents, school, etc). Had either of those two things been done, NICS would have caught him out.
Oh, yes, contrary to what you read in the media, Mr. Laughner did NOT legally purchase his gun. He intentionally lied on his 4473 which made his purchase illegal.
redtwin said:
Those restrictions only apply to buying from a licensed dealer. Private sales fall outside those rules, so anyone could buy from a private seller without background checks.
Of course doing so would still be illegal if you were prohibited from owning firearms in the first place and no doubt the seller would also be in trouble if it could be proven that they knowingly sold a firearm to someone who shouldn't have one.
I have bought privately, but it was only a .22 rifle that wouldn't have required any waiting period. I can't say that I would do it again though.
When I moved to the UK I sold my guns to a licensed dealer and to this day I still keep the transfer paperwork to show that I did this. I got higher offers from people I trusted, but I didn't want any possible comebacks should they fall into the wrong hands after they left my possession.
Correct.Of course doing so would still be illegal if you were prohibited from owning firearms in the first place and no doubt the seller would also be in trouble if it could be proven that they knowingly sold a firearm to someone who shouldn't have one.
I have bought privately, but it was only a .22 rifle that wouldn't have required any waiting period. I can't say that I would do it again though.
When I moved to the UK I sold my guns to a licensed dealer and to this day I still keep the transfer paperwork to show that I did this. I got higher offers from people I trusted, but I didn't want any possible comebacks should they fall into the wrong hands after they left my possession.
I tend to only buy from licensed dealers for another reason - I like my firearms new with the warranty (Springfield's Warranty is... life (but only if you are the original owner)
...and if I ever get rid of a firearm, it is probably to get a replacement, so I get trade in value for it toward the purchase of a new one with the licensed dealer (sort of part-x for guns) ALSO - NEVER pay MSRP. My question is always the same, "What can you do for me on the price?". 10-20% off is the normal result depending on what their inventory looks like.
reaper668 said:
What a fantastic collection. Makes me wish my collection of Airsoft guns were real.
I've also just discovered a new tv show on the Discovery channel in the US called "Sons of Guns"
It's about a company that customises and restores almost any type of weapon from Masterkeys to Flamethrowers.
http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/index.html
I've seen that show. One thing that I don't think that they make clear is that about 90% of their customers are Law Enforcement types. You shouldn't think that the average person is walking in off the street to get some of their kit...I've also just discovered a new tv show on the Discovery channel in the US called "Sons of Guns"
It's about a company that customises and restores almost any type of weapon from Masterkeys to Flamethrowers.
http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/index.html
Do you get "Top Shot" in the UK?
http://www.history.com/shows/top-shot
Last year's winner was a Brit expat. He was ex British army iirc.
FaineantFreddy said:
Found it and just watched the first episode of series 1. Quite good, even though it's a bit padded out to fill the hour like a lot of these shows. Will be watching the rest of series 1 over the next couple of weeks, so thanks for the heads up!
As I have already ruined the ending for you - sorry - I thought you might want to read an interview with Iain Harrison (the Brit) - This interview was actually posted on the site where I buy a lot of my ammunition...http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=3956
king nutter! 
havoc said:
Just seen the thread and read p.1 and p.15.
Nice collection - needs a good 'long' in there, but otherwise some interesting stuff...thanks for the background/explanation to each one.
Out of interest (and this has probably come up in an intermediate page, so sorry), have you ever shot clays?
Shot clays a little in my youth (borrowed guns obviously). I found it great fun. The range that I use does clay shooting (and even have a youth event iirc) on the second Sunday of each month or something like that. When my son gets a little older I may see if he is interested.Nice collection - needs a good 'long' in there, but otherwise some interesting stuff...thanks for the background/explanation to each one.
Out of interest (and this has probably come up in an intermediate page, so sorry), have you ever shot clays?
I have been Duck hunting once or twice as well which takes about the same kind of talent (kind of a rite of passage being a teenager in Montgomery, Alabama) Again - borrowed guns.
Pesty said:
ErnestM said:
Compared to some that I know, my collection is abysmally small...
definitely needs at least one BHP, a P7M8 and some more 1911s'ceebmoj said:
The tread reminded me of some questions I forgot to ask Ernest last time.
Keeping in mind that all States have different laws, I will speak to Florida's laws. ceebmoj said:
1. If you don't have a conceal carry permit where can you take you gun/guns and how do take them there.
Florida law specifically lets you carry guns in your car as long as they are securely encased. Under Florida law a glove compartment is considered securely encased, as is a snapped in holster. When I go To/From a range, etc, I normally have them in a Hardigg case or one of my rifle bags anyway. In your home and business you can carry however you want regardless of permit.ceebmoj said:
2. I guess an extension of the above If you don't have a onceal carry permit does that mean you can openly cary?
No. The exception to this is if you are going to/from hunting or fishing and you have a hunting or fishing license. Except in those two instances, open carry is currently forbidden. The new law will change that.ceebmoj said:
What exactly is concealed carrying sounds a bit silly but if you intent is not to conceal i.e. small gun patily hidden by bagy jumper maby not a issue where its warm but is where is cold.
Concealed carry means that the firearm is not visible on or about your person. I carry the Kahr in a pocket holster during the warmer months. It keeps the gun from "printing" against clothing. When we get our two or three days (or longer this year - thanks for the global warming Al Gore) of cold weather, that is when the paddle holsters, IWB holsters and shoulder holsters can come out because of the ability to hide behind a suit coat, sports coat or jacket.ceebmoj said:
3. At what point do you tell a police man you have a gun?
I have never had to do it (knock wood) but I keep my CCW right next to my driver's license and I would hand him the CCW permit along with the license and at that point inform him. Police are not bothered about a CCW holder in a stop. In fact my father-in-law got pulled over a couple of weeks back and did this and after a small chat about how he liked his Sig P238, the cop let him off with a warning to slow down a bit.ceebmoj said:
4. Do guns go back to the shop for surviving like cars? if so what are the survive intervals like?
Normal maintenance is handled by the end user (cleaning, fixing small issues) and even larger stuff can be handled as well (changing barrels, trigger work) However, a lot of the larger stuff should be handled by a competent smith because specialized tools are normally needed and "hacking away with a screwdriver" is no way to work on a gun or a car. As an example, my Glock 17 has never had to go to the shop despite thousand of rounds going through it. You can feel when a gun is getting loose. At that point, you don't use it until it is checked out. No real set service intervals on most guns. There are some (like the Rohrbaugh R9) that recommend changing the springs every x number of rounds, etc.Good Questions.
Piccie of the Kahr and holster (bottom and holster is lower right). As you can see, the flat square part of the holster goes up against the front pants pocket and it just looks like an ipod/cell phone/pack of cigarettes etc to the outside world...
...PPK included to show you how much better the Kahr is for concealed carry despite the fact that both carry the same number of rounds in the magazines. Kahr is also locked breach where PPK is blowback.
TVR1 said:
Ernest, talking of concealment etc. Did the FMG9 from Magpul ever go into production (other than the airsoft stuff)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
Officially it is still a "prototype". Us lowly civilians wouldn't be allowed to have the G18 based version anyway (full auto built after 1986). The semiautomatic would be classed as a short barreled rifle so that would be a $200 tax stamp to BATFE. There are probably some government types (protection details, etc) that use it, but publicity has just kind of melted away.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
Jimbeaux said:
Not to butt in, but each state is a bit different. Here, my cars are extensions of my home. Therefore, I can conceal a wepon in my car and defend those within it as my home. Furthermore, If one resides in a state with such a law, one may carry that weapon in the car over into states which do not have said law. The right one has in a one' state travels with them (weapon in car-wise), so to speak.
I just don't think I'd want to test that in New York or Cali, though. Not that I really have any reason to go to New York or Cali at the moment... Probably wouldn't want to test it in Jersey either after that guy that just had to get pardoned by the Governor for simply moving his guns to his house
redtwin said:
It can sometimes be hard explaining how much state laws differ to someone in the UK.
The idea that Cheshire has different driving laws (for example) to Yorkshire sounds ridiculous, but in essence that is how states are. All in the same country, but can vary widely with regards to laws and regulations.
Imagine residents of Kent being allowed to carry handguns and those from Cornwall not even allowed to have shotguns in their own home.
Probably a better example would be residence of Wales able to buy and carry and England not allowed. Same with driving. Wales has a 40mph limit and England has a 75mph limit...The idea that Cheshire has different driving laws (for example) to Yorkshire sounds ridiculous, but in essence that is how states are. All in the same country, but can vary widely with regards to laws and regulations.
Imagine residents of Kent being allowed to carry handguns and those from Cornwall not even allowed to have shotguns in their own home.
pokethepope said:
Ernest, how is the Kahr for accuracy? The barrel looks only an inch or so long, but presumably the majority of incidents where you would draw a CCW for self-defence happen in close quarters where the medium/long range accuracy isn't relevant?
The barrel is 2.5" but is a match grade lothar affair (which is one of the reasons why Kahrs cost more than say a Ruger or Kel-tech 380). I normally have to practice at 10 yards with it due to my preferred range minimum distance requirements. If I can do 3 inch groups with it at that range, I am a happy person (of course, that is slow fire, aimed, shots). It has a small amount of muzzle flip too it but it's not bad.This GunBlast review pretty much says it all (Yes, Jeff Quin is a little "hillbilly" looking, but he knows his stuff)
http://www.gunblast.com/Kahr-P380.htm
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