Divorce

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MitchT

15,978 posts

211 months

Thursday 7th April 2011
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Ahhh Moneypenny said:
N10k said:
Its so daunting.

Coming out of a 7yr relationship and starting again scares the crap out of me....
you can do it, mine was 10 and left with fk all but I worked hard and have re-built my life, you will be ok
Indeed, don’t be scared – it’s the start of something great! I came out of an 8.5 year relationship two years ago with nothing, when I should have had about £35k. It was devastating at the time, emotionally and financially, but you soon realise that having your own space and independence, and being your own boss, is the making of you. I’m almost a year into a new relationship now, with someone amazing, but I’ll never be scared of being alone again and she knows it, which is why I get respect in this relationship where it was sadly lacking in the last.

PlaneFan

180 posts

167 months

Saturday 9th April 2011
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stuttgartmetal said:
Always have a brief.
You don't have to tell her you're getting protective advice.
Don't underestimate just what she will do to you.
Look after No1.

Edited by stuttgartmetal on Thursday 7th April 14:04
Very sound advice.

13th

3,169 posts

215 months

Saturday 9th April 2011
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Agoogy said:
She wanted/wants a divorce because she is unhappy/low/depressd and gave no reason??!! thats insane!
From that descritpion she was seeing someone else and it made her re-evaluate....maybe she has larnt something about him or got over the lust and is reconsidering now.... to give no reason is very odd. IMO. She loved you once enough to marry you and envisage a life together...and now thats not the case and you just have to accept it? If it were the other way round, you wouldn't hear the end of it...
Good luck though.
Whilst I agree with the above; it may not be another Man it could well be her mother/friends who when she's a bit down tell her to "shake her life up" Can you sit down and talk to her?

Ask yourself three basic questions
1 do you love her?
2 does she love you?
3 then fu*k everyone else.




toggs

179 posts

188 months

Saturday 9th April 2011
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Divorce is never easy mine was a long drawn out process if you can try and keep it amecable mine was awfull but they are not all like this
I remember when me and my ex wife split up it wasnt ammecable but it could of been if she hadnt been so nasty and narrow minded.
I came home after spending a few hours with a mate and she had changed all the locks on the house and had moved her new bloke in and then claims nothing is going on !!! not sure which stupid tree she thought I fell out of at the time even now she still claims nothing was going on.
At the time I didnt reckonise the early indications that she was having an affair its not until you look back it makes sense the late nights back from work the excuses to go out etc.
When it happend all I was left with at the time was the clothes I stood up in id lost my home,my kids,my dog and even my business.
Its strange she became someone I didnt know she was always quiet and a caring person but when she got with her bloke she became a vile and nasty peace of work just like him he was well know to the police was into drugs and violent, She always promised she would never use the kid against me but she turned the kids against me but and that all changed when she got the kids to ring me telling me that they hated me and wish I was dead you could hear her and her bloke goading them and laughing in the background.
I ended up having a nervous breakdown through it all and spent time in hospital but I got through it bit by bit.
When she served the papers claiming divorce by unreasable behaviour it was more fictious than eastenders !!
I refused to sign them as it was all a pack of lies I told her if she changed it and admit to adulty then I would sign them straight away which I would of done.
But she wouldnt I then recieved threats from her bloke if I didnt sign he would break my legs etc etc but I stood fast and refused to sign them out of principle.
All in all it took 5 years before we got divorced in that time she had the children removed from her by social services because the violent partner she has she had a further children with him and they have all be removed by social services.
I was the one who filed for divorce but I filed under the grounds of lengthy seperation and iretrevable breakdown.
Since all this has happend Ive managed to get all my children back and i nownhave full custody of them all and she hasnt seen them or had contact with them for over 3 years now and as for me and the ex we havent spoken for that amount of time aswell.
Ive have another similar experience with another parnter a few years back but lucky for me I wasnt married to the woman so it was easier to walk away.
I have remarried again to an amazing woman and life now couldnt be happier for me I made a fresh start and moved from Bristol to Somerset we now live in countryside.
Sadly and unfortunately my new wife and me have recieved some bad news.
She has recently been diagnosed with cancer so the next few months are going to be very tense and emotional for us but we talk and our love for each other is very stong and keeps us going.
Seems so unfair as weve not been married that long (less than a year) weve not had chance to enjoy our marriage but we will get through it.

But chin up mate life does get better and things do move on if I get through all the crap im sure you will be able to

toggs

Penny-lope

13,645 posts

195 months

Saturday 9th April 2011
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MitchT said:
Ahhh Moneypenny said:
N10k said:
Its so daunting.

Coming out of a 7yr relationship and starting again scares the crap out of me....
you can do it, mine was 10 and left with fk all but I worked hard and have re-built my life, you will be ok
Indeed, don’t be scared – it’s the start of something great! I came out of an 8.5 year relationship two years ago with nothing, when I should have had about £35k. It was devastating at the time, emotionally and financially, but you soon realise that having your own space and independence, and being your own boss, is the making of you. I’m almost a year into a new relationship now, with someone amazing, but I’ll never be scared of being alone again and she knows it, which is why I get respect in this relationship where it was sadly lacking in the last.
15 years here, and left knowing that I would be homeless for at least the first few months. It ended up being nearly 6 months, in which time my son and me shared a double room full of the black bags my ex dumped on my friends drive.

It took another year before I got what I was entitled to from the sale of the house, and another year before I got my own place.

Come this May, I will have been way from my ex for 4 years, and if I am honest I still have st days. Not because I question what I did (I know I did the right thing) but what the future might hold.

stuttgartmetal

8,111 posts

218 months

Saturday 9th April 2011
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The cruelty from them is unbelievable
Women frequently want to crush their ex.
Especially the unfaithful ones.
Their guilt is classically projected as hatred.
Its all well documented, and papers written about it.
YOU made them be unfaithful, its YOUR fault therefore YOU must be punished.
Thats where I am, and to be honest I really don't care about her, or what she wants, Ive now regained my control and every day you get stronger and stronger.
Ive no-idea how she thought she was the brains of the outfit, the hardest worker definitely, but not really clever, no, just sly.
She first hit me really hard, and when I was down just hit me again and again and again. In quick and hard, a good start for her, and it looked like it was going her way.
She just kept stabbing me, and stabbing me, the f*cking pain was amazing, this from a woman who I loved, who I now realised hated me. Really hated me.
Shocking. Shocking to the core.
Trouble is, she really thought Id fold.
I nearly did, but its been too long now, and Im standing back up, and you know what they say about things that don't kill you.
They just make you stronger.
And now Im big and strong.

Her life is not looking good.
She's lost her best friend of 25 years the Godmother to our child,, her faith, her honesty, her family, and she's left with her job.
For now.

If things progress the way its heading she's going to be shocked into her reality, which is so fundamentally different to what she thinks it is.
She's at a breakwater, and taking advice from ill informed people with their own interests at heart.

Good luck with that one.
Doll.

Kenty

5,066 posts

177 months

Saturday 9th April 2011
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toggs said:
Divorce is never easy mine was a long drawn out process if you can try and keep it amecable mine was awfull but they are not all like this
I remember when me and my ex wife split up it wasnt ammecable but it could of been if she hadnt been so nasty and narrow minded.
I came home after spending a few hours with a mate and she had changed all the locks on the house and had moved her new bloke in and then claims nothing is going on !!! not sure which stupid tree she thought I fell out of at the time even now she still claims nothing was going on.
At the time I didnt reckonise the early indications that she was having an affair its not until you look back it makes sense the late nights back from work the excuses to go out etc.
When it happend all I was left with at the time was the clothes I stood up in id lost my home,my kids,my dog and even my business.
Its strange she became someone I didnt know she was always quiet and a caring person but when she got with her bloke she became a vile and nasty peace of work just like him he was well know to the police was into drugs and violent, She always promised she would never use the kid against me but she turned the kids against me but and that all changed when she got the kids to ring me telling me that they hated me and wish I was dead you could hear her and her bloke goading them and laughing in the background.
I ended up having a nervous breakdown through it all and spent time in hospital but I got through it bit by bit.
When she served the papers claiming divorce by unreasable behaviour it was more fictious than eastenders !!
I refused to sign them as it was all a pack of lies I told her if she changed it and admit to adulty then I would sign them straight away which I would of done.
But she wouldnt I then recieved threats from her bloke if I didnt sign he would break my legs etc etc but I stood fast and refused to sign them out of principle.
All in all it took 5 years before we got divorced in that time she had the children removed from her by social services because the violent partner she has she had a further children with him and they have all be removed by social services.
I was the one who filed for divorce but I filed under the grounds of lengthy seperation and iretrevable breakdown.
Since all this has happend Ive managed to get all my children back and i nownhave full custody of them all and she hasnt seen them or had contact with them for over 3 years now and as for me and the ex we havent spoken for that amount of time aswell.
Ive have another similar experience with another parnter a few years back but lucky for me I wasnt married to the woman so it was easier to walk away.
I have remarried again to an amazing woman and life now couldnt be happier for me I made a fresh start and moved from Bristol to Somerset we now live in countryside.
Sadly and unfortunately my new wife and me have recieved some bad news.
She has recently been diagnosed with cancer so the next few months are going to be very tense and emotional for us but we talk and our love for each other is very stong and keeps us going.
Seems so unfair as weve not been married that long (less than a year) weve not had chance to enjoy our marriage but we will get through it.

But chin up mate life does get better and things do move on if I get through all the crap im sure you will be able to

toggs
Good for you, so few stick to their guns and hold out for their rights. Especially fighting to get your kids back - it is a lot harder to keep in touch and eventually get your children than to walk away. It's a common trait of females I'm afraid, get man, get house, have kids, get rid of Husband and make him pay for the next x number of years. Plus try and poison kids against the father or 'withdraw' visiting rights. A total uphill battle.
Been through the scenario, but have kids who totally respect me and see far more of me and trust me with the grandchild! Oh - and remarried very happily!

toggs

179 posts

188 months

Saturday 9th April 2011
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The 2 things I learnt from my divorce were:
1)The truth always comes out in the end (there are 2 sides to every story)people soon realised I was not in the wrong and the ex was spouting a load cock and bull
2)You find out who your true friends are my ex turned a lot of our mutal friends against me with the lies she was telling some I have remained friends with as they have appologised others I havent and wont speak to again.

Since my split with the ex her own mother has disowned her because of the way she and her bloke have treated the children I have remained friends with the ex inlaws for the sake of the children but by choice I woundnt have any contact with them so I tolerate them.

N10k

Original Poster:

5,096 posts

237 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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Update:

House went on the market Wednesday, had 4 viewings this weekend and 1 offer 5k below our asking price. I have since gone back and asked them to up the offer by 2k and we will accept. We have no onward chain and the offer has a very small chain which has already started

Still amicable in the house.

Told her last night this inst what i wanted, 2 years in to our marriage and only 10 months in our new house. She said doesn't want this either but then she quickly follows up with, i don’t know what is making me so unhappy. I am seeing how one sided the relationship is now.

If the offer does come back il accept it and it should be as quick as 6 weeks

To all those who said this is a roller-coaster, your not wrong!

GT03ROB

13,420 posts

223 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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N10k said:
Still amicable in the house.

Told her last night this inst what i wanted, 2 years in to our marriage and only 10 months in our new house. She said doesn't want this either but then she quickly follows up with, i don’t know what is making me so unhappy.
This really does seem strange, unlss she's hiding something big time. It really sounds to me like neither of you are really talking about whats going on. IF neither of you want this, do something about it rather than sleepwalking into a divorce & a whole load of pain.

oldcynic

2,166 posts

163 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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N10k said:
Update:

House went on the market Wednesday, had 4 viewings this weekend and 1 offer 5k below our asking price. I have since gone back and asked them to up the offer by 2k and we will accept. We have no onward chain and the offer has a very small chain which has already started

Still amicable in the house.

Told her last night this inst what i wanted, 2 years in to our marriage and only 10 months in our new house. She said doesn't want this either but then she quickly follows up with, i don’t know what is making me so unhappy. I am seeing how one sided the relationship is now.

If the offer does come back il accept it and it should be as quick as 6 weeks

To all those who said this is a roller-coaster, your not wrong!
Excellent news on the house.

Assuming you continue down the seperation/divorce route, will the selling price still leave debts or could you both walk away with nothing?

13th

3,169 posts

215 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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GT03ROB said:
N10k said:
Still amicable in the house.

Told her last night this inst what i wanted, 2 years in to our marriage and only 10 months in our new house. She said doesn't want this either but then she quickly follows up with, i don’t know what is making me so unhappy.
This really does seem strange, unlss she's hiding something big time. It really sounds to me like neither of you are really talking about whats going on. IF neither of you want this, do something about it rather than sleepwalking into a divorce & a whole load of pain.
Exactly what he said /\/\/\ do anything you can to get to the bottom of her feelings. If she is depressed she just might need some help and understanding. Help from your GP (that's what they are there for) and you already seem caring but extra understanding from you.

Seriously, good luck, some things are worth saving and your Mrs may just need that.

N10k

Original Poster:

5,096 posts

237 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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Thanks everyone.
Once the house sells there will be some debt left but that has already been spoken about and we split it.

She is depressed and having therapy (mum had some depression). I have laid it out completely to her. I’m 100% committed to her and helping her through this, her argument is that she’s cant commit to me because she cant tell me if I’m the problem to her unhappiness. We have an amazing house, were young, we have gone on holiday’s people can only dream about and we have had the cars.

Any talking results into more questions from me and i walk away not knowing any more than i did. We cook dinner together, we eat together just like a married couple but i sleep in the spare room.

I dont know if shes fallen out of love, seriously depressed. I can’t get an answer from her, i would prefer an answer, any answer

I feel left in limbo and feel like i have to act otherwise i could be here again.

BTW, i was in the same situation 3 years ago... big low from her, pushed me away for 2 weeks, we worked it out and we have since got married and bought a bigger house.

reading this back makes me think the relationship is destined to be ruined because of her.

13th

3,169 posts

215 months

Monday 11th April 2011
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N10k said:
Thanks everyone.
Once the house sells there will be some debt left but that has already been spoken about and we split it.

She is depressed and having therapy (mum had some depression). I have laid it out completely to her. I’m 100% committed to her and helping her through this, her argument is that she’s cant commit to me because she cant tell me if I’m the problem to her unhappiness. We have an amazing house, were young, we have gone on holiday’s people can only dream about and we have had the cars.

Any talking results into more questions from me and i walk away not knowing any more than i did. We cook dinner together, we eat together just like a married couple but i sleep in the spare room.

I dont know if shes fallen out of love, seriously depressed. I can’t get an answer from her, i would prefer an answer, any answer

I feel left in limbo and feel like i have to act otherwise i could be here again.

BTW, i was in the same situation 3 years ago... big low from her, pushed me away for 2 weeks, we worked it out and we have since got married and bought a bigger house.

reading this back makes me think the relationship is destined to be ruined because of her.
I really feel your pain BUT I bet she's hurting very badly too and sometimes when you are depressed you push away the one you really love. Almost as if you feel you shouldn't be loved and deserve to be left alone, lost! and your husband would be better with out you. I'm no doctor but I do understand self distructive feelings.

Rather than run head long into Divorce why not suggest she has a week away somewhere nice and safe?

Good luck


stuttgartmetal

8,111 posts

218 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Personally, I'd take a good look at her phone, her facebook, and her emails.
And thats something I never did, but from experience its something I'd do now.
No reason for not wanting you? Sure.
I don't know why but. Sure.
She's trying not to be too nasty so she doesn't have to deal with the guilt.
I'm not having it.
I may sound like a bit of an old cynic, but 5 will get you 10 she's slowly retracting from you because there's someone else.
Not always true, 5% of the time it'll be wrong.
People are monkey swingers, they won't let go of one branch until they've grabbed the next one.
even if you sit her down and say to her, "just be honest, I can deal with it so lets be adult about it" etc etc, she'll still deny it.
The thing about divorce is you never get true answers, why should she.


WorAl

10,877 posts

190 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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stuttgartmetal said:
Look on wikivorce.com, you'll find all kinds of stories on there, and good advice.

Forget it being amicable, if she doesn't want it to be.
Try mediation, less costly, and a good chance of it being unbiased.
Or go for the 25k each option, and fight it right through to a Financial Hearing with a Barrister.
Thats the option Im faced with.
Nice.
Byebye 993, and 911 C3.2 house and life.

Divorce. Marriage.
To be avoided at all costs.

RenesisEvo

3,628 posts

221 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Interesting that every single person who posted claims to have been in the right with regards to their divorce (clearly quite rightly so in many cases). I guess it's impossible to know the truth on both sides. Not trying to dig etc. etc, just reading up on what I might put myself in for in many years to come, in a very long term relationship, trying to work out where to go with it.

tweetstreet

1,620 posts

170 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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Isn't there an urban myth where a judge ordered the husband to sell his assets and give his ex half?

Resulting in him selling his expensive mercedes for a £1 and giving her half of that.

I wonder if that's doable, say to the ex look i'll sell everything and we'll split the cash straight down the middle no lawyers whatsover let's just make it easy. Then go and sell everything to a trustworthymate for £100 and give her half of that. Buy it back off him in a year or so.......... Surely there's no law saying what you have to sell your assets for, you can sell them for as little or as much as you like


brickwall

5,262 posts

212 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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tweetstreet said:
Isn't there an urban myth where a judge ordered the husband to sell his assets and give his ex half?

Resulting in him selling his expensive mercedes for a £1 and giving her half of that.

I wonder if that's doable, say to the ex look i'll sell everything and we'll split the cash straight down the middle no lawyers whatsover let's just make it easy. Then go and sell everything to a trustworthymate for £100 and give her half of that. Buy it back off him in a year or so.......... Surely there's no law saying what you have to sell your assets for, you can sell them for as little or as much as you like
Err... in your dreams!

I believe the way it is done (assuming it gets to court) is as follows:
1. Both parties declare their assets and income
2. Parties then argue about income and asset statements (the house is worth more/less than you say, you're hiding assets at your mate's place/offshore etc.)
3. Parties argue about what the division of assets should be (eg 60:40, 50:50) and any ongoing maintenance payments (uncommon if no children, normal if there are)
4. Judge then orders transfer of money from one party to the other (and any appropriate division of assets). That party normally has to sell some assets (or borrow against them) to pay for that transfer, as most don't have sufficient cash as a proportion of total assets.


Lost_BMW

12,955 posts

178 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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One thing that might be worth considering is to have, built in to the agreements etc. as it were, is a "clean break order" to stop her coming back at you later if your income rises, for your pension, your forthcoming lottery win etc.