Secret Room 2 ....... "Nazi Bunker"
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Right, I took up the offer of assistance from two seasoned bunker explorers. They came round tonight and seemed quite impressed with the tunnel. They took lots of photos with a proper camera 
and said that they would post them up on their own site, so hopefully I can link to that in due course.
Anyway, as we were photographing everything, one of them exclaimed "That's a gun", and so I looked hard, and realised that it was, although the metal had badly corroded and all the wooden bits had rotted away....(so don't get angry if they don't look like schmeissers and lugers like you were probably expecting
)
THis is the firing mechanism (you can see the trigger and guard)
This on show the mechanism upside down - the breach is at the bottom, the space for the magazine infront of the trigger guard at the top.
The pin on the right would have been to hold the wooden stock on.
showing the gun barrel....
I'll post these while the photos of the other one upload. I know it doesn't look like much (and has clearly been thoroughly "decommissioned" by rust for the purpose of the firearms law ), but we found weapons in the bunker!!
(Apologies again for the photo quality. Hopefully the ones taken by the others will be much better)
and said that they would post them up on their own site, so hopefully I can link to that in due course. Anyway, as we were photographing everything, one of them exclaimed "That's a gun", and so I looked hard, and realised that it was, although the metal had badly corroded and all the wooden bits had rotted away....(so don't get angry if they don't look like schmeissers and lugers like you were probably expecting
) THis is the firing mechanism (you can see the trigger and guard)
This on show the mechanism upside down - the breach is at the bottom, the space for the magazine infront of the trigger guard at the top.
The pin on the right would have been to hold the wooden stock on.
showing the gun barrel....
I'll post these while the photos of the other one upload. I know it doesn't look like much (and has clearly been thoroughly "decommissioned" by rust for the purpose of the firearms law
), but we found weapons in the bunker!! (Apologies again for the photo quality. Hopefully the ones taken by the others will be much better)
So, a little after finding the first weapon, they found another one! And to be honest, by this stage I just felt a little stupid for not having found them myself, but I guess I was just a bit excited at the weekend to notice.
This one was at the other end of the tunnel, and like the first the stock had rotted away. It was also appeared to be a rifle. The metal on the second was in better condition (perhaps because it had been covered under the corrogated sheet) although still "decommissioned".
No magazines or ammunion found though, although we haven't started sifting through all the dirt on the floor yet.
This one was at the other end of the tunnel, and like the first the stock had rotted away. It was also appeared to be a rifle. The metal on the second was in better condition (perhaps because it had been covered under the corrogated sheet) although still "decommissioned".
No magazines or ammunion found though, although we haven't started sifting through all the dirt on the floor yet.
Edited by CY88 on Tuesday 10th June 23:13
odyssey2200 said:
kjc300 said:
domster said:
kjc300 said:
I'm going to stick my neck out and say that they are not german weapons!!!!!
They look like Lee - enfield SMLE mk one or two's to me - purely from the magazine cut off's. I may be wrong though!!
You are correct... it's a Lee Enfield... the distinguishing feature is the metal bracket near the stock: so not a german weapon at all.They look like Lee - enfield SMLE mk one or two's to me - purely from the magazine cut off's. I may be wrong though!!
http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/weapons-ww2-a...
WOT?
Not Nazi??
Nooooooooooooo!!
Maybe the Tommies stole the Nazi gold and stashed it there.
Maybe its where Kelly hid the gold!
woof woof!
thats my othere dog impression!!
the plot thickens! Is that definitely a positive ID? Any pictures?jerseysi said:
I'll leave you guys to make your own minds up, Bunkermonkey has posted his pics up here:
http://unseenjersey.proboards82.com/index.cgi?boar... , although photobucket seems to be giving him trouble - apologies for the small pictures, they'll be fixed tomorrow..
Night all, glad to be part of this
and thank you for the "official" verification Si http://unseenjersey.proboards82.com/index.cgi?boar... , although photobucket seems to be giving him trouble - apologies for the small pictures, they'll be fixed tomorrow..
Night all, glad to be part of this
doublem_1 said:
I would strongly suspect that the two rifles you've found so far would not have been fully functional when left there years ago. The first one possibly but definatly not the second. There are no signs of the wooden stock on any of them. I've found numerous rifles on the WW1 battle fields amongst other things and many of them still have parts of the wooden stock in places.
Apart from that, great project.
You know, I was beginning to wonder that myself, certainly in relation to the second one.Apart from that, great project.
The first one though does seem to have a bit of the stock left on the inside the "collar", and the way the pin/shaft (that would have held the stock on) is bent, it looked to me like the stock may have been snapped / knocked off forcibly?
Quick update.
I've been sorting out some official stuff today. Firstly, and understandably, I had to let the Police know about the guns that we found. Even though they are inoperable I wanted to make sure that I wasn't falling foul of any firearms legislation.
Secondly I have been in touch with some local war historians, who specialise in german fortifications and buildings. Hopefully they'll be coming round to offer some explanation / opinion as to what I've got. As I said previously, I've tried not to really move anything too much until such people can have a look. I don't want to consider clearing up the floor until after this, or starting to consider what I shall do with the bunker itself.
Thirdly, I want to finish the blog site that I am putting together which will just contain the photos and info that I have posted, together with a choice few of some other items of interest. Once that is done, I'll post a link to it both at the beginning and at the end of this thread, so anyone who just wants to cut to the chase in the future can do so.
Oh, and Dave is not back until tomorrow in any event.
I wasn't planning on doing any updates this evening. I say this now so as no-one wastes their time sitting waiting
Thanks again for reading and contributing, everyone.
CY88
PS. there was a link earlier to the "Unseen Jersey" website. If anyone is interested in learning more about the German wartime bunkers and tunnels in the Channel Islands, I thoroughly recommend having a squint at it.
I've been sorting out some official stuff today. Firstly, and understandably, I had to let the Police know about the guns that we found. Even though they are inoperable I wanted to make sure that I wasn't falling foul of any firearms legislation.
Secondly I have been in touch with some local war historians, who specialise in german fortifications and buildings. Hopefully they'll be coming round to offer some explanation / opinion as to what I've got. As I said previously, I've tried not to really move anything too much until such people can have a look. I don't want to consider clearing up the floor until after this, or starting to consider what I shall do with the bunker itself.
Thirdly, I want to finish the blog site that I am putting together which will just contain the photos and info that I have posted, together with a choice few of some other items of interest. Once that is done, I'll post a link to it both at the beginning and at the end of this thread, so anyone who just wants to cut to the chase in the future can do so.
Oh, and Dave is not back until tomorrow in any event.
I wasn't planning on doing any updates this evening. I say this now so as no-one wastes their time sitting waiting
Thanks again for reading and contributing, everyone.
CY88
PS. there was a link earlier to the "Unseen Jersey" website. If anyone is interested in learning more about the German wartime bunkers and tunnels in the Channel Islands, I thoroughly recommend having a squint at it.
Phil 46 said:
what did the cops say?
They agreed with me that the guns were no longer capable of firing a projectile, or being fixed to fire one, and could not therefore be classed as firearms. kris306dt said:
Shall i get a chatroom setup so that the spam is put somewhere else rather than on here?
Kind offer Kris, but probably unecessary. There is, I understand, already a facebook group.Edited by CY88 on Wednesday 11th June 14:45
Uncle Fester said:
CY88, is the white, front part of your house a post-war extension?
post war, yes.Uncle Fester said:
This suggests that the level of the ground in your driveway was lower when the tunnel was constructed.
the road into the tunnel has clearly been filled with the rockslide from the quarryface. THe current yard could well have been slightly lower, but I suspect the tunnell woudl still have been covered over.Uncle Fester said:
The Germans made far more use of horse drawn transport than is commonly realised. The stone trough is possibly a drinking trough.
Funnily enough we thought yesterday that a collection of rotton wood and metalwork at the back looked like it might have once been a cart. I shall get a photo of this next time I go it. Uncle Fester said:
Cy88, can you get a camera down the back of the garage.
This is on the list.blindswelledrat said:
Banish Goat said:
blindswelledrat said:
Aowhs102 said:
Awww... Bob would have loved to see all this...
WHo was Bob?As in a stone one?
Incabable of emotion or sight?
to the emotive and insightful Pistonheader, these trivial points pose no problem :P
Evening all.
No updates from outside tonight.
Just a link to a blog site I've made. Lots of people were asking for a list of all the photos and info I've uploaded over the last few days. Here it is. I've put one at the beginning as well, just in case anyone new wants to miss out on the drama, comedy and heartache of the whole thread.
http://gardenbunker.blogspot.com/
No updates from outside tonight.
Just a link to a blog site I've made. Lots of people were asking for a list of all the photos and info I've uploaded over the last few days. Here it is. I've put one at the beginning as well, just in case anyone new wants to miss out on the drama, comedy and heartache of the whole thread.
http://gardenbunker.blogspot.com/
Edited by CY88 on Thursday 12th June 00:18
dr.sickman said:
stuff
have copied that to Mrs88 !jesta1865 said:
cy88, why not suggest your bunker for changing rooms, old LLB could turn it into a sultry underground love palace.
Gretchen said:
Well done CY88 fantastic blog, now addded to the Facebook Group. Be nice to have some honorary members there...
Thanks I think Dave is on Facebook already?Edited by CY88 on Thursday 12th June 10:06
Back on topic for a moment.
I tried to have a look last night, from a window in the first floor of the house, at what was behind the garage. It seems that there may well be enough room to stick a small camera or mirror down the gap between the roof and the concrete bit. In fact, I think this might well be Dave's first task on his return (5pm landing, so perhaps a bit optomistic. Otherwise i might climb up myself.)
As you can imagine, since finding the tunnel I've also been trying to speak to people who might know a bit of history about the house. Interestly, someone who used to work as a gardener for the old owners, told me that they had told him a long time ago (i know, i know!) that there was an underground chamber, but in a different location from the one we now know about. So..., just in case thats not a tall tale, I also think that I'll start by checking under all the manhole covers (there are a few).
Lastly, WW2 historians are visiting this evening as well. We can hopefully start moving things around once they've been.
I tried to have a look last night, from a window in the first floor of the house, at what was behind the garage. It seems that there may well be enough room to stick a small camera or mirror down the gap between the roof and the concrete bit. In fact, I think this might well be Dave's first task on his return
(5pm landing, so perhaps a bit optomistic. Otherwise i might climb up myself.)As you can imagine, since finding the tunnel I've also been trying to speak to people who might know a bit of history about the house. Interestly, someone who used to work as a gardener for the old owners, told me that they had told him a long time ago (i know, i know!) that there was an underground chamber, but in a different location from the one we now know about. So..., just in case thats not a tall tale, I also think that I'll start by checking under all the manhole covers (there are a few).
Lastly, WW2 historians are visiting this evening as well. We can hopefully start moving things around once they've been.
KingRichard said:
CY88,
Did you get a positive ID on those weapons in the end, or are you waiting for the historians to arrive?
Having spoken to a few people, most seem to think they are Lee Enfield rifles. That being the case, the rifles themselves may pre-date WW2 by some long way? Who knows why they are in the tunnel? I'm hoping the guys coming round this evening may have an idea. When I spoke to them on the phone, they said they would do some research in their archives beforehand on German activity in the area.Did you get a positive ID on those weapons in the end, or are you waiting for the historians to arrive?
@systemparanoia.... what is this "moneyise"? I wouldn't want to charge people for reading!
bingbong said:
What he means is 'Stick some Ads on it' go to https://www.google.com/adsense/login/en_GB/ and sign up, it won't take more than 15 mins, and will earn you a few quid.
Cheers. Done. Said it will take a few days to set up tho.Approaching 14000 hits! I'm astonished.
QUICK UPDATE:
Just heard back from local expert who's visiting with some others this evening. They've checked their records, and he has written.....
"Enquiries confirm that this was a store for the Luftwaffe anti-aircraft battery located in the vicinity"
Now.... where's that anti-aircraft battery?
Just heard back from local expert who's visiting with some others this evening. They've checked their records, and he has written.....
"Enquiries confirm that this was a store for the Luftwaffe anti-aircraft battery located in the vicinity"
Now.... where's that anti-aircraft battery?
Galileo said:
Its a very long underground store. Some say a tunnel. It doesn't lead to the A-A battery does it? Are there any hatches in the ceiling at the end?
Theres no hatches in the steel roof.I must admit, until I'm shown something confirming that it was an anti-aircraft store, I'm keeping an open mind. The other guys who saw it were pretty sure that it was some kind of workshop.
Having said that, it might explain, I guess, why aerial reconnaissance photos of the area were taken?
Edited by CY88 on Thursday 12th June 14:02
I've been wondering (because I don't know of any heavy AA emplacements in the area - unless they are buried), could it have been a store for a "light AA gun", which would have been pulled out from cover when needed, but have remained hidden from aerial photos when not?
Might that too explain the different floor at the front part of the tunnel, and the workshop area at the back?
All questions to ask this evening.
Are there any other WW2 experts lurking on here who'd care to comment? Thanks
Might that too explain the different floor at the front part of the tunnel, and the workshop area at the back?
All questions to ask this evening.
Are there any other WW2 experts lurking on here who'd care to comment? Thanks
Edited by CY88 on Thursday 12th June 14:42
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