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TVR Moneypit said:
I left school at the age of 14 without a single qualification to my name to go and work 80 hour weeks. To me, 35-40 hours is part time work.
Even though I've never been out of work, I've never had a 'proper' job, just pissed about partying, working in and running pubs, clubs, restaurants and working in casinos, (besides a brief spell selling cars). So a Liquor or Gaming licence is out of the question as you need to be squeaky clean for them.
During the past six years I've gained about 40 qualifications, none of which are worth the paper they're written on. Even the supposed A Level that I did was secondary school level at best, whilst the NVQs that I've done, (which are supposed to be A-C GCSE grade), are primary school level.
Don't kid yourself and think that there is any rehabilitation in the prison system. There isn't. I'd say one third of the guys I've met in prison are desperate to get a trade, sort their lives out and go straight, but no help is available, so the majority go back to stealing or selling drugs. Which is a much bigger drain on public finances than giving guys a trade and a second chance.
As for me, I'm going for my fork lift truck test in four weeks, and there seems to be plenty of that sort of work about, and at least my past shouldn't be that much of an issue with that sort of job, which at least will be a start.
I've known a few people imprisoned over the years. For most, it has had an awful effect on their lives - the start of a downward spiral of varying speed.Even though I've never been out of work, I've never had a 'proper' job, just pissed about partying, working in and running pubs, clubs, restaurants and working in casinos, (besides a brief spell selling cars). So a Liquor or Gaming licence is out of the question as you need to be squeaky clean for them.
During the past six years I've gained about 40 qualifications, none of which are worth the paper they're written on. Even the supposed A Level that I did was secondary school level at best, whilst the NVQs that I've done, (which are supposed to be A-C GCSE grade), are primary school level.
Don't kid yourself and think that there is any rehabilitation in the prison system. There isn't. I'd say one third of the guys I've met in prison are desperate to get a trade, sort their lives out and go straight, but no help is available, so the majority go back to stealing or selling drugs. Which is a much bigger drain on public finances than giving guys a trade and a second chance.
As for me, I'm going for my fork lift truck test in four weeks, and there seems to be plenty of that sort of work about, and at least my past shouldn't be that much of an issue with that sort of job, which at least will be a start.
The ones who have succeeded in rebuilding their lives, being honest and having a decent future started out working for themselves after getting some sort of trade qualification inside. To get the training is hard and takes persistence, but is available if dedicated enough.
TVR Moneypit said:
Shirt; I'm afraid it is not possible for me to answer most of your questions.
All I can really say is imagine you had a little fruit and veg stall and you wanted to challenge Tescos, how would you go about it? Probably the same way we went about things. Its not the sort of thing you just dive straight into. It takes a long time to build up to it.
I am wondering what level of detail you can go into without it being over the line All I can really say is imagine you had a little fruit and veg stall and you wanted to challenge Tescos, how would you go about it? Probably the same way we went about things. Its not the sort of thing you just dive straight into. It takes a long time to build up to it.
i.e. was it one little think that caused you to get caught or was it a whole serious of issues that led to detection? (did someone grass or forget to change phone / not notice he was being followed?!).
Can you say more about your time inside? Did you have to 'fight' and if so, did that come naturally? (already powerfully built?)
99% of people dont just one day decide to set upon a conspiracy to import nearly 200kg of coke! They lack the supply chain, customers and logistical network to handle the product and the cash etc.
Its something you work up to.
Im guessing you’d been in the game a while already moving considerable weight and likely doing very well from your activities.
Were you buying your product landed or had you successfully imported in the past.
You probably cant answer or dont want to!
Ive tried googling to locate case notes as its very intriguing but can’t seem to find.....!
Good luck on the outside
Its something you work up to.
Im guessing you’d been in the game a while already moving considerable weight and likely doing very well from your activities.
Were you buying your product landed or had you successfully imported in the past.
You probably cant answer or dont want to!
Ive tried googling to locate case notes as its very intriguing but can’t seem to find.....!
Good luck on the outside
Was it difficult?
Was it dangerous?
Was it worth it?
Managed to find some news stories. Pretty low on details. What was everyone driving and living like?
Were you working directly with a cartel? I can't imagine the mechanics of strolling into mexico and asking for a couple hundred kilos of coke.
You lot are obviously not thick so I assume you have money left to live. Good luck.
Was it dangerous?
Was it worth it?
Managed to find some news stories. Pretty low on details. What was everyone driving and living like?
Were you working directly with a cartel? I can't imagine the mechanics of strolling into mexico and asking for a couple hundred kilos of coke.
You lot are obviously not thick so I assume you have money left to live. Good luck.
TVR Moneypit said:
Budda; I was originally looking for 10p's thread when I came across this one. It wasn't my original intention to cone across all Billy Big Balls. Sorry if that was the impression that you got.
You don't come across as Billy big balls at all to me, quite the opposite - you've a convicted criminal who's boasting about it on a motoring forum he used to contribute a lot to. You seem quite proud of yourself and I resent you for a) being involved in the drug trade (a disgusting, parasitic way to earn money) and b) for having seemingly little to no contrition about your actions other than how they affected you personally. Sorry for the brutal honesty.
AshBurrows said:
Were you working directly with a cartel? I can't imagine the mechanics of strolling into mexico and asking for a couple hundred kilos of coke.
Having worked in Mexico City for a number of clients, rubbing shoulders with various cartel members , (generally low level- middle management- I d imagine) anyone who ‘strolls’ around doesn’t tend to last too long. I d imagine in this case it d be various middle men along the way.
Whilst the headline figures in this case are many millions, in the grand scheme of things it’s a drop in the ocean in the context of world trade.
Edited by Fckitdriveon on Tuesday 10th October 09:11
Badda said:
TVR Moneypit said:
Budda; I was originally looking for 10p's thread when I came across this one. It wasn't my original intention to cone across all Billy Big Balls. Sorry if that was the impression that you got.
You don't come across as Billy big balls at all to me, quite the opposite - you've a convicted criminal who's boasting about it on a motoring forum he used to contribute a lot to. You seem quite proud of yourself and I resent you for a) being involved in the drug trade (a disgusting, parasitic way to earn money) and b) for having seemingly little to no contrition about your actions other than how they affected you personally. Sorry for the brutal honesty.
Badda said:
You seem quite proud of yourself and I resent you for a) being involved in the drug trade (a disgusting, parasitic way to earn money) and b) for having seemingly little to no contrition about your actions other than how they affected you personally. Sorry for the brutal honesty.
I don't read his posts like that at all. But there you go....Badda said:
TVR Moneypit said:
Budda; I was originally looking for 10p's thread when I came across this one. It wasn't my original intention to cone across all Billy Big Balls. Sorry if that was the impression that you got.
You don't come across as Billy big balls at all to me, quite the opposite - you've a convicted criminal who's boasting about it on a motoring forum he used to contribute a lot to. You seem quite proud of yourself and I resent you for a) being involved in the drug trade (a disgusting, parasitic way to earn money) and b) for having seemingly little to no contrition about your actions other than how they affected you personally. Sorry for the brutal honesty.
TVR Moneypit said:
But I suppose self pity is a bit pathetic when you think of the knock on effects of severe drug addiction. Yes, in my circles, all I ever saw was the party drug scene, but going to prison you meet so many junkies stuck in a vicious circle of thieving to pay for addiction and prison.
It's interesting to hear first hand experiences but for me, the rehabilitation & reform of the character is by far the most important part.It's a bit of a paradox: On the one hand, crime & punishment. On the other, reintegration into society as a law abiding citizen.
From the uninitiated, "99.99% of cons will try anything on at all times" - an unfair premise?
I also see that the "no toilet seat" on cell lavs has made the news today - I thought this was because the inmates keep ripping them off.
jonamv8 said:
Badda said:
TVR Moneypit said:
Budda; I was originally looking for 10p's thread when I came across this one. It wasn't my original intention to cone across all Billy Big Balls. Sorry if that was the impression that you got.
You don't come across as Billy big balls at all to me, quite the opposite - you've a convicted criminal who's boasting about it on a motoring forum he used to contribute a lot to. You seem quite proud of yourself and I resent you for a) being involved in the drug trade (a disgusting, parasitic way to earn money) and b) for having seemingly little to no contrition about your actions other than how they affected you personally. Sorry for the brutal honesty.
Badda said:
You don't come across as Billy big balls at all to me, quite the opposite - you've a convicted criminal who's boasting about it on a motoring forum he used to contribute a lot to.
You seem quite proud of yourself and I resent you for a) being involved in the drug trade (a disgusting, parasitic way to earn money) and b) for having seemingly little to no contrition about your actions other than how they affected you personally. Sorry for the brutal honesty.
Sounds like your dealer has switched his phone off and you haven't had your morning fix...You seem quite proud of yourself and I resent you for a) being involved in the drug trade (a disgusting, parasitic way to earn money) and b) for having seemingly little to no contrition about your actions other than how they affected you personally. Sorry for the brutal honesty.
TVR Moneypit said:
Badda said:
TVR Moneypit said:
Budda; I was originally looking for 10p's thread when I came across this one. It wasn't my original intention to cone across all Billy Big Balls. Sorry if that was the impression that you got.
You don't come across as Billy big balls at all to me, quite the opposite - you've a convicted criminal who's boasting about it on a motoring forum he used to contribute a lot to. You seem quite proud of yourself and I resent you for a) being involved in the drug trade (a disgusting, parasitic way to earn money) and b) for having seemingly little to no contrition about your actions other than how they affected you personally. Sorry for the brutal honesty.
I'd consider myself to generally be quite reserved. "Boasting" certainty wasn't my intention. I was simply answering questions, although reading back over my posts, I can see how you or anyone else can draw that conclusion. Perhaps the slight ananimaty (SP?), provided by the internet makes it easier to be misconstrued.
You mention my lack of contrition, however, may I point out my comments about the sad and sorry state of affairs of the many addicts within the prison system and how their constant circle of crime / prison / crime effects both them and their victims. However I thought, perhaps incorrectly that any remorse that I did show would come across as false.
Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Edited by TVR Moneypit on Tuesday 10th October 09:33
I'm very interested in your story and experiences however so please don't let my comments put you off sharing them.
Badda said:
TVR Moneypit said:
Budda; I was originally looking for 10p's thread when I came across this one. It wasn't my original intention to cone across all Billy Big Balls. Sorry if that was the impression that you got.
You don't come across as Billy big balls at all to me, quite the opposite - you've a convicted criminal who's boasting about it on a motoring forum he used to contribute a lot to. You seem quite proud of yourself and I resent you for a) being involved in the drug trade (a disgusting, parasitic way to earn money) and b) for having seemingly little to no contrition about your actions other than how they affected you personally. Sorry for the brutal honesty.
Apparently you are an ok guy though if you admit to dealing in drugs for financial gain at the terrible expense of others, and talk about it openly on a forum like this, your only afterthought or concern being the effect it has had on yourself and family.
I think Badda has a very valid point and PH shouldn't be allowing TVR a platform to talk about his exploits in the way he is. How many people and families are having to suffer the consequences of his greed and complete disregard for the welfare of the more vulnerable people in our society.
And before anybody says it's a lesson for others not to follow his chosen path, anybody with any moral compass will already know that.
Just my humble opinion
Monkeylegend said:
Funny old world, somebody posts that their car has been scratched or vandalised and everyone posts calling the guilty party scum of the earth and wishing them harm.
Apparently you are an ok guy though if you admit to dealing in drugs for financial gain at the terrible expense of others, and talk about it openly on a forum like this, your only afterthought or concern being the effect it has had on yourself and family.
I think Badda has a very valid point and PH shouldn't be allowing TVR a platform to talk about his exploits in the way he is. How many people and families are having to suffer the consequences of his greed and complete disregard for the welfare of the more vulnerable people in our society.
And before anybody says it's a lesson for others not to follow his chosen path, anybody with any moral compass will already know that.
Just my humble opinion
Despite protestations to the contrary, most of the people on here are 40+ white men with an office job, a mortgage, 2 kids and a wife to pay for. The closest we get to any form of excitement is falling out with our neighbours over parking..... Please don't ruin the opportunity for us to get a voyeuristic glimpse into life of someone like TVR. Apparently you are an ok guy though if you admit to dealing in drugs for financial gain at the terrible expense of others, and talk about it openly on a forum like this, your only afterthought or concern being the effect it has had on yourself and family.
I think Badda has a very valid point and PH shouldn't be allowing TVR a platform to talk about his exploits in the way he is. How many people and families are having to suffer the consequences of his greed and complete disregard for the welfare of the more vulnerable people in our society.
And before anybody says it's a lesson for others not to follow his chosen path, anybody with any moral compass will already know that.
Just my humble opinion
Personally I'm desperate to hear about the squalid details
RTB said:
Despite protestations to the contrary, most of the people on here are 40+ white men with an office job, a mortgage, 2 kids and a wife to pay for. The closest we get to any form of excitement is falling out with our neighbours over parking..... Please don't ruin the opportunity for us to get a voyeuristic glimpse into life of someone like TVR.
Personally I'm desperate to hear about the squalid details
This.Personally I'm desperate to hear about the squalid details
Bus pass's posts and 10pshorts thread are great and much more interesting than endless conference calls, emails and meetings. People love these stories and crime books sell very well (an idea for you bus pass?)
Monkeylegend said:
Funny old world, somebody posts that their car has been scratched or vandalised and everyone posts calling the guilty party scum of the earth and wishing them harm.
Apparently you are an ok guy though if you admit to dealing in drugs for financial gain at the terrible expense of others, and talk about it openly on a forum like this, your only afterthought or concern being the effect it has had on yourself and family.
I think Badda has a very valid point and PH shouldn't be allowing TVR a platform to talk about his exploits in the way he is. How many people and families are having to suffer the consequences of his greed and complete disregard for the welfare of the more vulnerable people in our society.
And before anybody says it's a lesson for others not to follow his chosen path, anybody with any moral compass will already know that.
Just my humble opinion
I don't sell drugs. I sell ivory towers. Would you like one?Apparently you are an ok guy though if you admit to dealing in drugs for financial gain at the terrible expense of others, and talk about it openly on a forum like this, your only afterthought or concern being the effect it has had on yourself and family.
I think Badda has a very valid point and PH shouldn't be allowing TVR a platform to talk about his exploits in the way he is. How many people and families are having to suffer the consequences of his greed and complete disregard for the welfare of the more vulnerable people in our society.
And before anybody says it's a lesson for others not to follow his chosen path, anybody with any moral compass will already know that.
Just my humble opinion
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