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OpulentBob said:
WD39 said:
Parked up yesterday and witnessed a big argument in progress between two neighbours.(not my road) There was lots of shouting, effing and blinding.
One of the neighbours then brought the row to a close with the words. 'End of'.
I thought then that the short phrase uttered truly epitomised council, especially when shouted with such venom.
It usually indicates that the arguee has run out of logic and fact and wishes to end the 'discussion'.
If we, on this thread, ever compile a 'Council Greatest Hits', I'm sure that 'End Of' will be close to the top.
I love it on PH posts when people end a post with "end of", as if their statement is the absolute definitive logical closing statement. One of the neighbours then brought the row to a close with the words. 'End of'.
I thought then that the short phrase uttered truly epitomised council, especially when shouted with such venom.
It usually indicates that the arguee has run out of logic and fact and wishes to end the 'discussion'.
If we, on this thread, ever compile a 'Council Greatest Hits', I'm sure that 'End Of' will be close to the top.
I don't think I've ever seen it actually end a discussion though - it's up there in Councility stakes with "turned raand and said to him..." or "somethink" - both widely accepted as Council.
Which makes me wonder - as it's not a verb as such, and it is the name of a style, should it be capitalised? "Council", or "council"?
Cliftonite said:
Thats just having a bit of funIt will only be temporary though:At my school(although well before my time) someone painted H M PRISON on the roof. The tiles were replaced with new ones but only the painted ones,so you could still read it years later!
OpulentBob said:
Where did "jog on" even come from? Banal.
The military as a guess. Maybe also 'end of'I could see it being shouted out of the mouth of a training sergeant to new recruits at the end of a b
king. There are other examples (not necessarily council) of military language leaking out into society. The branch of the military I am most familiar with is the Royal Navy and 'Jackspeak' has some brilliant terms or phrases.
Nutty - sweets, chocolate etc.
Goffer - fizzy drink Coke Fanta and the like.
Other 'communities' where the language has leaked out include prisons:
Snout
Nonce
Calling someone 'Boss'
and the gay community who used a language called Piolare? Back when being gay was illegal:
Hunk
Queen
The travelling community too:
Chav or Charver is a young boy.
Council types, especially in the North East use quite a bit of gypsy slang.
Even TV shows like Minder and Only Fools and Horses have impacted and added to the language.im not saying any of the above are council and I've given pretty poor examples because it's early and I'm tired, but I wonder if a lot of council phrases come from certain specific communities or lifestyles which connect with council people more than other social classes.
wky tattoos with your child's name and DOB, that's one step away from having the same ste plastered on the lounge wall (as previously seen on this thread).
Taking a picture of your tattoo while wearing a vest and posting it on FB, where it joins the endless stream of ste continually posted about your child...
ky tattoos with your child's name and DOB, that's one step away from having the same ste plastered on the lounge wall (as previously seen on this thread).Taking a picture of your tattoo while wearing a vest and posting it on FB, where it joins the endless stream of s
te continually posted about your child...wildcat45 said:
OpulentBob said:
Where did "jog on" even come from? Banal.
The military as a guess. Maybe also 'end of'I could see it being shouted out of the mouth of a training sergeant to new recruits at the end of a b
king. There are other examples (not necessarily council) of military language leaking out into society. The branch of the military I am most familiar with is the Royal Navy and 'Jackspeak' has some brilliant terms or phrases.
Nutty - sweets, chocolate etc.
Goffer - fizzy drink Coke Fanta and the like.
Antony Moxey said:
There's nothing more council than boorish military speak. Often used by the lower rank cannon fodder rather than officers when out amongst normal people, at least it alerts normal people as to who to avoid striking up an (unintelligible) conversation with.
Seriously?Assuming you are joking.
Antony Moxey said:
wildcat45 said:
OpulentBob said:
Where did "jog on" even come from? Banal.
The military as a guess. Maybe also 'end of'I could see it being shouted out of the mouth of a training sergeant to new recruits at the end of a b
king. There are other examples (not necessarily council) of military language leaking out into society. The branch of the military I am most familiar with is the Royal Navy and 'Jackspeak' has some brilliant terms or phrases.
Nutty - sweets, chocolate etc.
Goffer - fizzy drink Coke Fanta and the like.
wildcat45 said:
Antony Moxey said:
There's nothing more council than boorish military speak. Often used by the lower rank cannon fodder rather than officers when out amongst normal people, at least it alerts normal people as to who to avoid striking up an (unintelligible) conversation with.
Seriously?Assuming you are joking.
ks, a bit like that doofus of the last series of the apprentice. My partner's father was an officer also on submarines, and he's 100% different. They are similar ages but their manner, way of speaking and language used are poles apart.24lemons said:
I'd agree with that. My colleague is an ex submariner of fairly low rank and he carries on with all the Navy talk bravado bks, a bit like that doofus of the last series of the apprentice. My partner's father was an officer also on submarines, and he's 100% different. They are similar ages but their manner, way of speaking and language used are poles apart.
Oh I get that absolutely. In my time working with the military as a civvy I've been working mainly with officers. ks, a bit like that doofus of the last series of the apprentice. My partner's father was an officer also on submarines, and he's 100% different. They are similar ages but their manner, way of speaking and language used are poles apart.It is a class and intelligence thing and I feel more comfortable in the company of people with the same broadly middle class university educated background as me.
However I'd not say non commissioned service people are council. Not middle class, usually not as bright and maybe not in possession of the right social graces but lumping them all in with council is a bit strong.
Then again, I suppose it depends where you live. Maybe if I lived in Aldershot, Portsmouth, Plymouth or any other military town I'd have a different view.
For a while as a kid (1980s) I lived in Stamford which was close to air bases like Wittering and Cottesmore. I don't recall non-officer RAF personnel as being scummy and council. I was friends with a few RAF kids, none of whom had Dads who were officers. Well brought up people with nice private homes.
Are we guilty of losing definition here of council?
Working class and council are different to me. For me council is an attitude a way of life of the lumpen proletariat if you like.
You can be non-council and live in a council house. That's just being poor or something.
I live near a place called Darras Hall. Very expensive 'exclusive' area favoured by footballer types. As a kid in the 1970s it was a posh place to live with nice 1950s/60s/70s detached houses with Rovers Jags and the odd Rolls parked outside. Owned by business people in the main. Think Gerry and Margot from The Good Life.
Now most of those homes have been levelled to be replaced by new builds with massive driveways - and therefore small back gardens. Where there was perhaps once a pond there is a massive Doric portico. Where there was once s rockery there sits a blinged to f
k Khan Range Rover piloted by a scummer in a tracksuit, not a qualification to his name, not a social grace in sight.That is council too.
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