Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]

Things you always wanted to know the answer to [Vol. 5]

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Speed 3

4,643 posts

120 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Fastchas said:
In my auto car, why do I engage reverse by shoving the stick forward and drive by pulling backwards?
Obvs it’s the way it’s engineered but why didn’t the designers do it the other way around? Is there a reason that everyone adopted?
On a similar subject, why do you press the tailgate button on the drivers door of our BMW down to raise the tailgate and pull it up to drop it down ? Can't even be a safety feature as accidentally pressing it down won't open it.

Jordie Barretts sock

4,683 posts

20 months

Wednesday 15th May
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beagrizzly said:
Jordie Barretts sock said:
Currently getting over a chesty cough.

Why is it when you have a bad coughing fit, your vision starts to go and you feel dizzy? I thought it might be oxygen starvation to the brain, but generally I can hold my breath for longer than a coughing fit and not feel dizzy.
Hasn't happened to me. Is it an age thing? smile
Ooh! I don't know. It's always happened to me. I thought it happened to everyone.

GroundEffect

13,857 posts

157 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Speed 3 said:
Fastchas said:
In my auto car, why do I engage reverse by shoving the stick forward and drive by pulling backwards?
Obvs it’s the way it’s engineered but why didn’t the designers do it the other way around? Is there a reason that everyone adopted?
On a similar subject, why do you press the tailgate button on the drivers door of our BMW down to raise the tailgate and pull it up to drop it down ? Can't even be a safety feature as accidentally pressing it down won't open it.
These are customer interaction decisions. It might be to be in line with window switches. Who knows the logic they applied.

As for the auto shifter - again, mostly down to customer expectations. I have no issue with pulling back to D or forward to R. My own EV has rotary shifter that is clockwise to D and anticlockwise to R.

deadtom

2,582 posts

166 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Fastchas said:
In my auto car, why do I engage reverse by shoving the stick forward and drive by pulling backwards?
Obvs it’s the way it’s engineered but why didn’t the designers do it the other way around? Is there a reason that everyone adopted?
I have no evidence but have always assumed that as well as 'that's the way it's always been and is what people are used to', it's also a safer way of arranging the gear selector.

If you're a bit clumsy / lazy / not paying attention then you might just grab the shift lever and pull it all the way through to the stop. When you do this, you're probably looking forward through the windscreen. If the selector was arranged with forward being forward and backwards being reverse, you'd suddenly be moving in the opposite direction to where you are looking


mko9

2,419 posts

213 months

Wednesday 15th May
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I recall Clarkson talking on Topgear long ago about the various versions of steptronic/triptronic/autotronic/whatver, that some of the manufacturers had gone with forward to change up and backwards to change down, and some of the automakers had gone the other way.

C n C

3,358 posts

222 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
Currently getting over a chesty cough.

Why is it when you have a bad coughing fit, your vision starts to go and you feel dizzy? I thought it might be oxygen starvation to the brain, but generally I can hold my breath for longer than a coughing fit and not feel dizzy.
I'm a long way from an expert, but it could well be a combination of a couple of factors:

1. Rapid movement of your head when coughing repeatedly (similar to sneezing), where the brain impacts the inside of your skull which can cause generation of synaptic impulses potentially affecting signals from the optic nerves, and balance. In effect this is similar to a very mild concussion.

2. When coughing, the rapid expansion/contraction of the lungs can cause short but significant variation in blood pressure. This could easily affect the signals from the optic nerve (vision), and also affect the receptors in the inner ear (balance/dizzyness).

3. Rapid changes in the air pressure in the lungs/thoat/mouth would also affect your ears (think ears popping when ascending/descending in a plane), which may also have some effect on your inner ear/balance/dizzyness. The air pressure in your synapses may also have an impact on your vision.

I am not a doctor, so just my layman's suggestions.

Final thought re. holding your breath and oxygen starvation - if you hold your breath, your heart is still pumping blood normally, and it is still carrying oxygen to your brain. When you are forced to breath again (can't hold your breath any longer), this impulse is driven by the increase in CO2 in the blood, and not the lack of O2, so holding your breath wouldn't cause oxygen starvation.

It is possible that in point (2) above, changes to your blood pressure with a coughing fit may well affect the flow of blood to the brain, so I guess a slight oxygen supply issue could well be a result. Possibly a very mild version of Cough Syncope which is far more extreme.


Edited by C n C on Wednesday 15th May 16:01

WrekinCrew

4,644 posts

151 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
Currently getting over a chesty cough.

Why is it when you have a bad coughing fit, your vision starts to go and you feel dizzy? I thought it might be oxygen starvation to the brain, but generally I can hold my breath for longer than a coughing fit and not feel dizzy.
When you time how long you can hold your breath, are you breathing right in first? If so that's not a fair comparison with coughing. Try breathing right out first.

Jordie Barretts sock

4,683 posts

20 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Both,

Good points. And thank you.

It's only a 'thing' when I have a really bad cough. Thankfully once in a very blue moon.

Thinking about it, it does feel a bit like when you stand up too quickly or bend over to dry your feet after a hot shower kind of thing.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,862 posts

273 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
Both,

Good points. And thank you.

It's only a 'thing' when I have a really bad cough. Thankfully once in a very blue moon.

Thinking about it, it does feel a bit like when you stand up too quickly or bend over to dry your feet after a hot shower kind of thing.
If it's a really bad coughing fit then it's possible that you're hyperventilating.

As an aside, I once had a really bad bronchial infection complicated by asthma, whereby during a coughing fit I could exhale but not inhale and would cough until I asphyxiated and passed out, at which point it would reset the cough. It was very scary.


Jordie Barretts sock

4,683 posts

20 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Also a good point.

Cuppers that sounds a bit whooping cough like?

Clockwork Cupcake

74,862 posts

273 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
Also a good point.

Cuppers that sounds a bit whooping cough like?
It occurred as an adult, sometime in my 30's. It was diagnosed as some kind of bronchial infection compounded by a history of childhood asthma. Quite scary as it developed whilst on holiday in Singapore but fortunately an acquaintance out there recognised it and suggested oral steroids and antibiotics, and the hotel doctor reluctantly gave me a short course of that which helped a little.

When I got back to the UK I managed to be seen at very short notice by a Consultant Chest Physician as a family favour, and he concurred but said it was the right idea but needed to be harder and longer. After a decent course of that medication (first tablet steroids, and then a steroid inhaler for a while) it cleared up and I have thankfully never had it again.

Bloody scary though.

Anyway, too much detail.

48k

13,240 posts

149 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Fastchas said:
In my auto car, why do I engage reverse by shoving the stick forward and drive by pulling backwards?
Obvs it’s the way it’s engineered but why didn’t the designers do it the other way around? Is there a reason that everyone adopted?
Cos when you accelerate forwards, you're pushed back in your seat so pulling the lever back is the natural reflection of that. Whereas when you brake, or reverse, you're thrown forwards so pushing the lever forwards is a natural reflection of that.

Plus as anyone with a sequential box knows, banging down the gears as you brake in to a corner is one of lifes great pleasures..

That's bound to be the answer.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,862 posts

273 months

Wednesday 15th May
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I needed to drive my Golf today and the gear selector is indeed PRND

Never noticed before

Nethybridge

1,057 posts

13 months

Wednesday 15th May
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48k said:
Plus as anyone with a sequential box knows,
banging down the gears as you brake in to a
corner is one of lifes great pleasures..
Sounds good, another one for my list then.

But first Mycroft, I must find out what a sequential box is.




generationx

6,883 posts

106 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Nethybridge said:
48k said:
Plus as anyone with a sequential box knows,
banging down the gears as you brake in to a
corner is one of lifes great pleasures..
Sounds good, another one for my list then.

But first Mycroft, I must find out what a sequential box is.


Think of it as a motorcycle-type gearbox in a car, so only direct up and down shifts, no across the gate to negotiate.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,862 posts

273 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Nethybridge said:
But first Mycroft, I must find out what a sequential box is.
Are you sure you're on the right website? wink


Clockwork Cupcake

74,862 posts

273 months

Wednesday 15th May
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generationx said:
Think of it as a motorcycle-type gearbox in a car, so only direct up and down shifts, no across the gate to negotiate.
Because race car. biggrin

(It's an older meme, but it checks out)


Nethybridge

1,057 posts

13 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
Are you sure you're on the right website? wink
I have embraced the motoring technology of the
20th century called ye olde auto
spinmatic torque velocital transmissionary apparatus.

No gears, or clutch, it's revolutionary, geddit ?

revolution, as in turn, spin, rotate..........?


generationx

6,883 posts

106 months

Wednesday 15th May
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
Because race car. biggrin

(It's an older meme, but it checks out)
hehe

R6tty

290 posts

16 months

Wednesday 15th May
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I have to add that my old BMW auto works that way. Forwards for down when in 'manual' mode.Seems totally natural. Just bought a similarly aged Audi which is the other way round, So I daren't use it. Audi does have paddles though.