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V8mate said:
Chaps: weight gain powders. Who should/shouldn't use them? What's their purpose?
My son has (finally) decided to get himself fit and goes to the gym to do weight training with his mates.
He's 21, 6'3" and a proper lanky beanpole.
From my perspective - of trying to simultaneously build muscle and LOSE weight - I'd kill to be able to build muscle on a thin physique; six pack here I come!
If I were him, I'd just use whey protein on top of his normal diet (which isn't too bad, in fairness) to support muscle growth. He insists that he needs more weight too though.
He doesn't want to be a Mr Olympia contender, just have a decent physique, so do you think that bulking powders play a role in that for skinny yoofs?
Learn me up!
I think they are just a quick simple way of getting calories in. Ive recently started drinking Bodybuilding Warehouse Performance Mass, as Im bulking and was struggling to get enough calories in through the day without making myself feel sick and bloated. So now have a calorie rich shake which easily gets in like 650 cals.My son has (finally) decided to get himself fit and goes to the gym to do weight training with his mates.
He's 21, 6'3" and a proper lanky beanpole.
From my perspective - of trying to simultaneously build muscle and LOSE weight - I'd kill to be able to build muscle on a thin physique; six pack here I come!
If I were him, I'd just use whey protein on top of his normal diet (which isn't too bad, in fairness) to support muscle growth. He insists that he needs more weight too though.
He doesn't want to be a Mr Olympia contender, just have a decent physique, so do you think that bulking powders play a role in that for skinny yoofs?
Learn me up!
Of course people will argue its better to eat clean calories and get them in that way, but its convenience.
My advice for your lad would be to eat a lot and train a lot. With a 6'3" frame he should be able to pack on some decent mass.
Get him to have a look on www.iifym.com and work out how much he should be eating.
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Most people, especially young men, take protein because they've heard the gym gossip and think that to get big like all the other lads (who are experimenting with steroids) they'll have to take protein. It's a panacea for weight training, opium for the [gym]people and millions of quid in the pockets of the lying supplements industry. And young men, being young men who want to be big and strong and attract girls, fall for this bulls
t hook line and sinker. The industry knows this and shamelessly directs its advertising solely at this demographic. Ever seen a gorgeous young blonde or bloke over 40 pushing protein powder?
Best bet for your son is if he finds a decent strength and conditioning coach who will show him the ropes and explain the basic facts about how it is all correct technique and intense effort. Put these together well and the body will adapt to the training and grow. Fish and chips once a day and his other regular meals will easily constitute enough protein.
V8mate said:
Protein powders: Who should/shouldn't use them? What's their purpose?
Anyone desperate to put on weight or with a diet that for whatever reason lacks sufficient protein to sustain muscle growth, for which protein synthesis is needed. Disputes arise as to whether any extra protein is needed at all - most people's diet is entirely adequate and the extra calories just make them fat. Some people claim protein powders offer more convenience than a meal, and while this might be true I have to say the only people in 30 years of training that I've ever met who could honestly claim to really have benefited from the extra protein are competitive bodybuilders.Most people, especially young men, take protein because they've heard the gym gossip and think that to get big like all the other lads (who are experimenting with steroids) they'll have to take protein. It's a panacea for weight training, opium for the [gym]people and millions of quid in the pockets of the lying supplements industry. And young men, being young men who want to be big and strong and attract girls, fall for this bulls
t hook line and sinker. The industry knows this and shamelessly directs its advertising solely at this demographic. Ever seen a gorgeous young blonde or bloke over 40 pushing protein powder?Best bet for your son is if he finds a decent strength and conditioning coach who will show him the ropes and explain the basic facts about how it is all correct technique and intense effort. Put these together well and the body will adapt to the training and grow. Fish and chips once a day and his other regular meals will easily constitute enough protein.
Adz The Rat said:
Ive never tried a 1 arm press, sounds strange! Never seen it tried either.
On related note, I managed 5 reps with the 45kg dumbbells last week, needed a hand getting them up to start position though! And this week managed 6 reps on bar with 100 kg, with no spotter. Impressed my strength is going up.
Still not putting any weight on though!
When I got to the 44kg dumbbells I could no longer 'swing' them up, and thought that to go any heavier I would need a spotter. Then I found that just standing up with the dumbbells and lowering them onto my knees as I sit down works so much better. I then just lye back onto the bench and sort of flick them up to the start position. Works for me even upto 50kg which is as high as they go at my gym. On related note, I managed 5 reps with the 45kg dumbbells last week, needed a hand getting them up to start position though! And this week managed 6 reps on bar with 100 kg, with no spotter. Impressed my strength is going up.
Still not putting any weight on though!
goldblum said:
Anyone desperate to put on weight or with a diet that for whatever reason lacks sufficient protein to sustain muscle growth, for which protein synthesis is needed. Disputes arise as to whether any extra protein is needed at all - most people's diet is entirely adequate and the extra calories just make them fat. Some people claim protein powders offer more convenience than a meal, and while this might be true I have to say the only people in 30 years of training that I've ever met who could honestly claim to really have benefited from the extra protein are competitive bodybuilders.
Most people, especially young men, take protein because they've heard the gym gossip and think that to get big like all the other lads (who are experimenting with steroids) they'll have to take protein. It's a panacea for weight training, opium for the [gym]people and millions of quid in the pockets of the lying supplements industry. And young men, being young men who want to be big and strong and attract girls, fall for this bullst hook line and sinker. The industry knows this and shamelessly directs its advertising solely at this demographic. Ever seen a gorgeous young blonde or bloke over 40 pushing protein powder?
Best bet for your son is if he finds a decent strength and conditioning coach who will show him the ropes and explain the basic facts about how it is all correct technique and intense effort. Put these together well and the body will adapt to the training and grow. Fish and chips once a day and his other regular meals will easily constitute enough protein.
Could not agree more.Most people, especially young men, take protein because they've heard the gym gossip and think that to get big like all the other lads (who are experimenting with steroids) they'll have to take protein. It's a panacea for weight training, opium for the [gym]people and millions of quid in the pockets of the lying supplements industry. And young men, being young men who want to be big and strong and attract girls, fall for this bulls
t hook line and sinker. The industry knows this and shamelessly directs its advertising solely at this demographic. Ever seen a gorgeous young blonde or bloke over 40 pushing protein powder?Best bet for your son is if he finds a decent strength and conditioning coach who will show him the ropes and explain the basic facts about how it is all correct technique and intense effort. Put these together well and the body will adapt to the training and grow. Fish and chips once a day and his other regular meals will easily constitute enough protein.
Most don't train with enough intensity to break any muscle down in the 1st place. Let alone need extra protein to repair what's not damaged.
V8mate said:
Chaps: weight gain powders. Who should/shouldn't use them? What's their purpose?
My son has (finally) decided to get himself fit and goes to the gym to do weight training with his mates.
He's 21, 6'3" and a proper lanky beanpole.
From my perspective - of trying to simultaneously build muscle and LOSE weight - I'd kill to be able to build muscle on a thin physique; six pack here I come!
If I were him, I'd just use whey protein on top of his normal diet (which isn't too bad, in fairness) to support muscle growth. He insists that he needs more weight too though.
He doesn't want to be a Mr Olympia contender, just have a decent physique, so do you think that bulking powders play a role in that for skinny yoofs?
Learn me up!
Weight gainer will just be loaded with carbs, bad ones at that.My son has (finally) decided to get himself fit and goes to the gym to do weight training with his mates.
He's 21, 6'3" and a proper lanky beanpole.
From my perspective - of trying to simultaneously build muscle and LOSE weight - I'd kill to be able to build muscle on a thin physique; six pack here I come!
If I were him, I'd just use whey protein on top of his normal diet (which isn't too bad, in fairness) to support muscle growth. He insists that he needs more weight too though.
He doesn't want to be a Mr Olympia contender, just have a decent physique, so do you think that bulking powders play a role in that for skinny yoofs?
Learn me up!
If he must take something then stick to whey only. Eat plenty of natural protein and fats and lift heavy with good form. Tell him to concentrate on heavy compound lifts only (this will give him a good base) and leave the tricep kickbacks to his mates.
The only way to get bigger is by breaking down muscle, and to do that he needs to lift heavy with high intensity, which from my experience of training for 17 years now, not many do.
Hoofy said:
You forgot bicep curls. You so not down wit da kidz.
This reminds me of last week, when a personal trainer at my gym who I really respected and who also trains professional boxers, of which I believe one is a world champion, was seen, I can't bring myself to type this.......he was seen curling in the SQUAT RACK whilst folk were waiting to actually squat in it 
He is dead to me now. He doesn't know he's dead to me as I've never had a conversation with him, but the fact remains the same.
Warnie said:
Hoofy said:
You forgot bicep curls. You so not down wit da kidz.
This reminds me of last week, when a personal trainer at my gym who I really respected and who also trains professional boxers, of which I believe one is a world champion, was seen, I can't bring myself to type this.......he was seen curling in the SQUAT RACK whilst folk were waiting to actually squat in it He is dead to me now. He doesn't know he's dead to me as I've never had a conversation with him, but the fact remains the same.
I've used the squat rack for help with heavy curls. Very convenient. Saves me bending down to pick the the damn bar up off the floor. If the young'uns want to squat they can wait and f
k about with their phones/chat/over-hydrate/choose an appropriate mp3/look at themselves in the mirror/eye up females/fill up their water bottles again etc etc. I'd rather put up with the imagined social stigma than have a bad back again.BenM77 said:
goldblum said:
I've used the squat rack for help with heavy curls.
How heavy are we talking about?
Seriously? ...Um next week should be 20 a side on an oly bar. There might be some cheating on the final set, we'll see. goldblum said:
BenM77 said:
goldblum said:
I've used the squat rack for help with heavy curls.
How heavy are we talking about? Seriously? ...Um next week should be 20 a side on an oly bar. There might be some cheating on the final set, we'll see. I can see why you don't want to pick that up from the floor in a curl grip if you don't have to
Warnie said:
When I got to the 44kg dumbbells I could no longer 'swing' them up, and thought that to go any heavier I would need a spotter. Then I found that just standing up with the dumbbells and lowering them onto my knees as I sit down works so much better. I then just lye back onto the bench and sort of flick them up to the start position. Works for me even upto 50kg which is as high as they go at my gym.
Yes thats what I normally did, however when I tried it with the 45's I felt like my arm was going to bend all the way back hahaI hate training with other people, but times like this you definitely need a spotter.
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