Might be an Evora owner soon
Discussion
JamesMac27 said:
ravon said:
Interesting C43, surely Lotus should always be Green, maybe with a yellow pinstripe ? Scanning the ads, Evora's look wonderful in Green, but there don't seem to be too many of them ?
Agreed
ravon said:
Knowing my luck, I'd get the car that needs a new clutch, and that's going to be the best part of £5K.
The clutch seems to have been made a bigger deal of than it really is. Spoke to a dealer at the weekend about it who said they'd done a grand total of one, from a car that had received a fair bit of abuse, and the Lotus contributed towards the cost.Ravon,
I think that there may be grains of truth in some of what you say, but only grains....I think in the final analysis the Cayman may be slightly better in some areas like windscreen wipers or heating/ventilation etc., but not as good when it comes to dynamics and driver involvement etc....so not quite so hard core, although an Evora is hardly hard-core. Yes the gear change is not so slick as some, but I personally like the mechanical action...it`s all part of the driver involvement for me. If a car is too easy to drive, then what's the point in driving it, other than to get from A to B....oh...yes...sorry....I forgot, that is the primary purpose of a car?
I might look at a Boxster one day (I would be interested in driving one) and I am sure they are very good, but I see them as grey...the safe choice and a bit dull because of it.
I think that there may be grains of truth in some of what you say, but only grains....I think in the final analysis the Cayman may be slightly better in some areas like windscreen wipers or heating/ventilation etc., but not as good when it comes to dynamics and driver involvement etc....so not quite so hard core, although an Evora is hardly hard-core. Yes the gear change is not so slick as some, but I personally like the mechanical action...it`s all part of the driver involvement for me. If a car is too easy to drive, then what's the point in driving it, other than to get from A to B....oh...yes...sorry....I forgot, that is the primary purpose of a car?
I might look at a Boxster one day (I would be interested in driving one) and I am sure they are very good, but I see them as grey...the safe choice and a bit dull because of it.
Following this thread with interest as I sold my 360, thinking I'd get an Evora next but then decided I wanted a MY12 NA so I've bought myself a 2.7 987 Boxster while I wait for the MY12s to depreciate for a while. Worryingly, I've only ever seen one MY12 NA advertised - perhaps nearly all the MY12 production was supercharged?
Regarding the £5000 clutch changes: I heard that the change is not so difficult for MY12 onwards and so is less expensive. Does anyone know about this?
As well as the Boxster, we have recently bought a Gen 2 Cayman and there is one huge flaw in this car - because of the way the rear hatch moves around as you drive over bumps you are effectively sitting inside a huge sub-woofer & the cabin noise is incredibly unpleasant. I've made some adjustments & the booming noise isn't as bad as it was (and I've heard it can be eliminated all together if you want to get the spanners out & spend a good amount of time on it). So for me, Porsche don't deserve their reputation for superior build quality.
Regarding the £5000 clutch changes: I heard that the change is not so difficult for MY12 onwards and so is less expensive. Does anyone know about this?
As well as the Boxster, we have recently bought a Gen 2 Cayman and there is one huge flaw in this car - because of the way the rear hatch moves around as you drive over bumps you are effectively sitting inside a huge sub-woofer & the cabin noise is incredibly unpleasant. I've made some adjustments & the booming noise isn't as bad as it was (and I've heard it can be eliminated all together if you want to get the spanners out & spend a good amount of time on it). So for me, Porsche don't deserve their reputation for superior build quality.
Phew Ravon, thats an awful lot of negativity, I am 6'2 have no problems getting in and out, yes there is a sill but any car that has a tub is inclined to have this slightly bulky step over point this includes Mclaren, ferrari, Lamoghini. Twisted driving position I don't understand this there are lots of cars on the market with a slightly offset driving position yet this is picked up on as some sort of failure yet the offset is hardly noticeable, I guess in fairness you have pointed out it may be your age an condition but thats not the cars fault.
Good rear visibility is provided by stonking great big door mirrors these are huge and you can see all you need, reversing sensors that work and some have the rearview camera for parking so what on earth is the problem?. There is a letterbox type rear view but to be honest its good enough (normally focussing on whats coming up rather than the past.
Regarding the fuel consumption......its a performance car 28-33 MPG on a run seems OK to me from a 3.5 litre engine. A 2009 Z4m 3.0 quoted as 33 MPG but again when driving a Cayman combined is 35mpg so you may find that its not too much of a dissimilar figure in the real world for consumption and almost as much of a gas guzzler you refer to, but to each their own and you may just be a cruiser so you will get a higher MPG.
The NA Evora is faster that you dare exploit on the road and I don't just mean top speed I mean how you can attack corners this is one heck of a car don't kid yourself there are plenty of fast cars out there sure I agree to a point but the Evora is exceptional in its handling.
I am sure you will enjoy the Porsche and can see your justification for buying one,its a safe choice, relatively risk free, your one of the crowd, its easy to get in and out of like a 'normal car' why wouldn't you want to buy one.
Its easy to find reasons not to buy any manufactures product but the description you give of an Evora from your perspective is not what I have experienced in actually owning one.
Very succinctly put...
Toaster said:
Phew Ravon, thats an awful lot of negativity, I am 6'2 have no problems getting in and out, yes there is a sill but any car that has a tub is inclined to have this slightly bulky step over point this includes Mclaren, ferrari, Lamoghini. Twisted driving position I don't understand this there are lots of cars on the market with a slightly offset driving position yet this is picked up on as some sort of failure yet the offset is hardly noticeable, I guess in fairness you have pointed out it may be your age an condition but thats not the cars fault.
Agreed, if you want offset try driving an F40! Some old people drive McLaren F1's and these can hardly be described as particularly easy to get in to. Toaster said:
Good rear visibility is provided by stonking great big door mirrors these are huge and you can see all you need, reversing sensors that work and some have the rearview camera for parking so what on earth is the problem?. There is a letterbox type rear view but to be honest its good enough (normally focussing on whats coming up rather than the past.
Again agreed, the big door mirrors allow the driver to set them up so they can not only look at what's following very well, but also at those lovely rear wings and air intakes. Toaster said:
Regarding the fuel consumption......its a performance car 28-33 MPG on a run seems OK to me from a 3.5 litre engine. A 2009 Z4m 3.0 quoted as 33 MPG but again when driving a Cayman combined is 35mpg so you may find that its not too much of a dissimilar figure in the real world for consumption and almost as much of a gas guzzler you refer to, but to each their own and you may just be a cruiser so you will get a higher MPG.
Spirited driving (is there another kind), will show low 20's in an N/a Evora, probably I would say 2-3mpg lower than a Cayman 3.4S. I would be very surprised in the real world if a 3.4S Cayman driver can show regular combined consumption of 35mpg...I would question why they got a Cayman if that were the case. Toaster said:
The NA Evora is faster that you dare exploit on the road and I don't just mean top speed I mean how you can attack corners this is one heck of a car don't kid yourself there are plenty of fast cars out there sure I agree to a point but the Evora is exceptional in its handling.
Absolutely! I happened to have a spare hour this past weekend so went for a little drive (quite a treat for me). I took the Evora along some of my favourite roads and was quite shocked at just how quick one can attack a road, the amount of confidence the car gives is quite incredible. The suspension set up just encourages one to travel faster and faster yet all the while you are in a car with "only" 276bhp or so and you can use it all, more of the time. Toaster said:
I am sure you will enjoy the Porsche and can see your justification for buying one,its a safe choice, relatively risk free, your one of the crowd, its easy to get in and out of like a 'normal car' why wouldn't you want to buy one.
Its easy to find reasons not to buy any manufactures product but the description you give of an Evora from your perspective is not what I have experienced in actually owning one.
Can't disagree with anything here ^ either. Its easy to find reasons not to buy any manufactures product but the description you give of an Evora from your perspective is not what I have experienced in actually owning one.
Thanks Gentlemen, I'll certainly pay lots of attention to road noise from the rear hatch on my demo drives, but I'm guessing the gearshift and clutch will be flawless, the vehicle dynamics are supposed to be much improved, but we'll see, these days it takes a lot to make me spend lots of money and my M100 and 968CS are both about as good examples as you could ever get, and are comparatively valueless !
I think every road test, and long term test I've seen of the Evora S has shown a fuel consumption of less than 20mpg.
The Evora is a Lotus I'd love to love, would really like to rent one for a few days, that would be the perfect solution to pre-ownership ?
Anniesdad, hope you aren't referring to my good friend Flemke with regard to geriatric F1 owners ? If I remember rightly you spent some time with him a few years back ? Yes it is a pain to get into that middle seat, but it's quite good once you are there !
I'll report back on my drives.
I think every road test, and long term test I've seen of the Evora S has shown a fuel consumption of less than 20mpg.
The Evora is a Lotus I'd love to love, would really like to rent one for a few days, that would be the perfect solution to pre-ownership ?
Anniesdad, hope you aren't referring to my good friend Flemke with regard to geriatric F1 owners ? If I remember rightly you spent some time with him a few years back ? Yes it is a pain to get into that middle seat, but it's quite good once you are there !
I'll report back on my drives.
Ravon, it sounds like you really want to buy an Evora but are trying to justify the Cayman to yourself..
Answer this, how would you feel sitting in the Cayman and seeing an Evora coming the other way? Or vice versa?
I personally get excited on the rare occasion I see an Evora, not the same feeling with the Cayman. Personally I'd feel I made the wrong choice, if the Lotus is really what you want.
Answer this, how would you feel sitting in the Cayman and seeing an Evora coming the other way? Or vice versa?
I personally get excited on the rare occasion I see an Evora, not the same feeling with the Cayman. Personally I'd feel I made the wrong choice, if the Lotus is really what you want.
ravon said:
Anniesdad, hope you aren't referring to my good friend Flemke with regard to geriatric F1 owners ? If I remember rightly you spent some time with him a few years back ? Yes it is a pain to get into that middle seat, but it's quite good once you are there !
I'd describe him as old but hardly geriatric! He's certainly an F1 owner though. A truly great guy and an absolute gentleman. To be invited to spend time with him in that car was a tremendous privilege and something I'll never forget.
Please pass on my regards to him, I hope he's well.
Had my MY11 NA Evora for just under a week now and absolutely love it. Looks amasing (in any colour), great ride, very comfortable and very refined. To tell the truth I am so enjoying just crusing around in it I have not really opened it up. What I will say is turn in is pin sharp (and that is compared to an Europa on Nitrons with A048s), grip on bumpy roads is epic and with the sports mode pressed acceleration is easily good enough.
I work at a race team and it is parked outside next to the CEOs R8 and the Evora is getting a lot of positive comments in the company.
Great car all round
C43
ps and the gearchange. Well the problem change is 3rd - 2nd at high revs. With a cold box it is difficult, with a hot box it is transparent as it should be.
I work at a race team and it is parked outside next to the CEOs R8 and the Evora is getting a lot of positive comments in the company.
Great car all round
C43
ps and the gearchange. Well the problem change is 3rd - 2nd at high revs. With a cold box it is difficult, with a hot box it is transparent as it should be.
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