Financial Fair Play
Discussion
Challo said:
I agree Everton potentially have some mitigating factors, and perhaps their point deduction could be reduced.
Appeal started today, and expected to last 3 days.What's all the cloak and dagger stuff? We (as fans) weren't aware of the start date until today (other than it was mooted as "starts this month".)
And why won't they release the date of City's appeal?
No need for the secrecy IMO. In fact, transparency is to be welcomed and the timeline should be clearly set out. Breach and you get your verdict within x days. Any appeal heard x weeks later. (Think this has been done for the last set of figures, to be fair, with a date for any appeals set 1 week after the season ends
)I look at this situation in football and compare it to cycling and athletics, where sportsmen and women from the most powerful nation in the World, were allowed to cheat with impunity (OK, they caught up with Lance Armstrong eventually). When Ben Johnson of Canada was found guilty of doping at the Olympics, he lost the gold medal, had all of his times and titles removed, yet, Carl Lewis who "won" the gold in his place, had doped in the trials, but the doping was swept under the carpet, because he was the "golden boy" of US track and field.
There is institutionalised cheating everywhere in sport and life.
The big survive and the rest battle for scraps.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39383967
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/artic...
There is institutionalised cheating everywhere in sport and life.
The big survive and the rest battle for scraps.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39383967
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/artic...
johnboy1975 said:
tamore said:
johnboy1975 said:
And why won't they release the date of City's appeal?
appeal? still only charges at this point.They don't want to go up against a nation without having it as concrete as possible basically. It's not a good look if the FA get bullied here and City are allowed to swerve penalties on financial sanctions by spending their way out of it.
If the punishment is adequate then I don't mind how long it takes but that's also a big IF.
johnboy1975 said:
Appeal started today, and expected to last 3 days.
What's all the cloak and dagger stuff? We (as fans) weren't aware of the start date until today (other than it was mooted as "starts this month".)
And why won't they release the date of City's appeal?
No need for the secrecy IMO. In fact, transparency is to be welcomed and the timeline should be clearly set out. Breach and you get your verdict within x days. Any appeal heard x weeks later. (Think this has been done for the last set of figures, to be fair, with a date for any appeals set 1 week after the season ends )
Why do fans need to be aware of the start date? What's all the cloak and dagger stuff? We (as fans) weren't aware of the start date until today (other than it was mooted as "starts this month".)
And why won't they release the date of City's appeal?
No need for the secrecy IMO. In fact, transparency is to be welcomed and the timeline should be clearly set out. Breach and you get your verdict within x days. Any appeal heard x weeks later. (Think this has been done for the last set of figures, to be fair, with a date for any appeals set 1 week after the season ends
)andyA700 said:
I look at this situation in football and compare it to cycling and athletics, where sportsmen and women from the most powerful nation in the World, were allowed to cheat with impunity (OK, they caught up with Lance Armstrong eventually). When Ben Johnson of Canada was found guilty of doping at the Olympics, he lost the gold medal, had all of his times and titles removed, yet, Carl Lewis who "won" the gold in his place, had doped in the trials, but the doping was swept under the carpet, because he was the "golden boy" of US track and field.
There is institutionalised cheating everywhere in sport and life.
The big survive and the rest battle for scraps.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39383967
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/artic...
Yep, Brailsford and Wiggins still have a cloud over them for me. See also Mo Farah, just shouts down legitimate questions and the establishment are far too scared to go after him.There is institutionalised cheating everywhere in sport and life.
The big survive and the rest battle for scraps.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39383967
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/artic...
pavarotti1980 said:
Why do fans need to be aware of the start date?
As Tik Tak says really, to prevent it slipping (further). Uefa banned City in 2020, before it was ruled "time barred" and the punishment was quashed. We've had these rules for 10 years now...not sure why it wasn't done in parallel or at least immediately after? (Time barrs don't apply to the PL, as I understand it, so it should still be of interest to them)But mainly because we've (Everton) been done twice now, relating to more recent offences. Either have the rules, and apply them to all (big and small), or don't bother. Yes it's more complicated, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't bother.
Unless you mean Everton's appeal? In which case, because it's quite bloody important and we'd like our points back as soon as possible please (*)
especially as we are so threadbare it's becoming difficult to get any on the bloody pitch 
. (That and we're s
t, and can't finish our dinner)(*) Which admittedly would turn the whole thing from (already) a farce into an out and out circus
Wish people would stop saying what about Man City. They have 115 charges to be looked into and haven't complied. Everton have 1 charge and have complied. That's the difference.
It's like the police charging you with multiple murders of 10+ victims, to charging Bob who's murdered 1 person and admitted it. Going to take much longer for the police to investigate you than it is Bob isn't it.
Yes we all want to know a date but see it as it is getting investigated and hopefully justice will be served.
It's like the police charging you with multiple murders of 10+ victims, to charging Bob who's murdered 1 person and admitted it. Going to take much longer for the police to investigate you than it is Bob isn't it.
Yes we all want to know a date but see it as it is getting investigated and hopefully justice will be served.
johnboy1975 said:
Unless you mean Everton's appeal? In which case, because it's quite bloody important and we'd like our points back as soon as possible please (*) especially as we are so threadbare it's becoming difficult to get any on the bloody pitch . (That and we're st, and can't finish our dinner)
yes the appeal. Unless the club wish to communicate this then no reason why fans need to be told. especially as we are so threadbare it's becoming difficult to get any on the bloody pitch . (That and we're st, and can't finish our dinner)You may be successful and have the penalties reduced. However instead of appealing they may wish to invest the same effort to improving their financial governance at board level as it appears to be woeful given the same charges have been levied twice now in consecutive seasons
You could be right. For Villa I guess £300k profit 2021/22 followed by £119.6m loss 2022/23 = £119.3m loss over two years, so a profit of at least £14.3m is needed 2023/24 to keep above the £105m 3 year cycle threshold and avoid a points deduction. Someone in their Accounts department will be crunching the numbers to see who needs to be sold pronto, unless this successful season has generated enough profit to avoid that scenario.
LotusOmega375D said:
You could be right. For Villa I guess £300k profit 2021/22 followed by £119.6m loss 2022/23 = £119.3m loss over two years, so a profit of at least £14.3m is needed 2023/24 to keep above the £105m 3 year cycle threshold and avoid a points deduction. Someone in their Accounts department will be crunching the numbers to see who needs to be sold pronto, unless this successful season has generated enough profit to avoid that scenario.
Sell players with a total value of £15m and that whole amount hits their PSR figures immediately. Combined with likely increased prize money and is should straight forward enough. Then a bit of wheeling and dealing for new additions LotusOmega375D said:
You could be right. For Villa I guess £300k profit 2021/22 followed by £119.6m loss 2022/23 = £119.3m loss over two years, so a profit of at least £14.3m is needed 2023/24 to keep above the £105m 3 year cycle threshold and avoid a points deduction. Someone in their Accounts department will be crunching the numbers to see who needs to be sold pronto, unless this successful season has generated enough profit to avoid that scenario.
It will be interesting, and I am sure its possible, without seeing analysis on the numbers hard to make a judgement, but you're talking about a £135 million swing between the two FY'sGassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff