The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 14]

[juliussneezer]

TEKNOPUG said:

Levy fattening the goose before selling.

This has been spouted for the last 10 years at least and has yet to happen.

[TEKNOPUG]

juliussneezer said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Levy fattening the goose before selling.

This has been spouted for the last 10 years at least and has yet to happen.

Because no one else agrees with his valuation.

[juliussneezer]

TEKNOPUG said:

juliussneezer said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Levy fattening the goose before selling.

This has been spouted for the last 10 years at least and has yet to happen.

Because no one else agrees with his valuation.

The lack of evidence suggests it's just not true.

[Byker28i]

juliussneezer said:

TEKNOPUG said:

juliussneezer said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Levy fattening the goose before selling.

This has been spouted for the last 10 years at least and has yet to happen.

Because no one else agrees with his valuation.

The lack of evidence suggests it's just not true.

Thought Joe owned most of the shares.

Just like to point out I own 0.0009%, based on Levy saying last years "We have 30,000 shareholders who own approximately 13.5 per cent. We run this club as if it is a public company."
ENIC owns 86.58%
Mr D Levy and certain members of his family are potential beneficiaries of discretionary trusts which ultimately own 29.88% of the share capital of ENIC.

A discretionary trust of which certain members of Mr J Lewis's family are potential beneficiaries ultimately owns 70.12% of the share capital of ENIC.


I've a way to go...

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 22 May 16:35

[dobbo_]

Byker28i said:

Thought Joe owned most of the shares.

Just like to point out I own 0.0009%, based on Levy saying last years "We have 30,000 shareholders who own approximately 13.5 per cent. We run this club as if it is a public company."
ENIC owns 86.58%
Mr D Levy and certain members of his family are potential beneficiaries of discretionary trusts which ultimately own 29.88% of the share capital of ENIC.

A discretionary trust of which certain members of Mr J Lewis's family are potential beneficiaries ultimately owns 70.12% of the share capital of ENIC.


I've a way to go...

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 22 May 16:35

To Dare Is To Do!

Or as it said on my 1984 Tottenham kit - Audere est Facere

[Guvernator]

dobbo_ said:

To Dare Is To Do!

Or as it said on my 1984 Tottenham kit - Audere est Facere

Mine just said Holsten.

[dobbo_]

You weren't looking close enough!

It was written under the cock. Pun intended

[Guvernator]

dobbo_ said:

You weren't looking close enough!

It was written under the cock. Pun intended

Weirdly, I don't remember that at all although I do remember Le Coq Sportif under the cock.

[48k]

Byker28i said:

Thought Joe owned most of the shares.

Byker28i said:

A discretionary trust of which certain members of Mr J Lewis's family are potential beneficiaries ultimately owns 70.12% of the share capital of ENIC.

You've kind of answered your own question there.

Joe Lewis doesn't own any shares and has not been a Person with Significant Control of the football club since 5th October 22. The Lewis family has a discretionary trust which owns the shares and Joe Lewis is not a beneficiary of that trust.

Doesn't stop people still thinking Lewis "owns" the football club though.

[TEKNOPUG]

48k said:

Byker28i said:

Thought Joe owned most of the shares.

Byker28i said:

A discretionary trust of which certain members of Mr J Lewis's family are potential beneficiaries ultimately owns 70.12% of the share capital of ENIC.

You've kind of answered your own question there.

Joe Lewis doesn't own any shares and has not been a Person with Significant Control of the football club since 5th October 22. The Lewis family has a discretionary trust which owns the shares and Joe Lewis is not a beneficiary of that trust.

Doesn't stop people still thinking Lewis "owns" the football club though.

He hasn't sold his shares and severed any connection with them though, he's just put them in his kids names (no doubt in anticipation of insider trading conviction). So whilst he no longer has any legal control or benefit from the shares, I'd suggest that it's somewhat fanciful to imagine that he no longer exerts any influence over a multi-billion £ entity he created.

[Byker28i]

TEKNOPUG said:

48k said:

Byker28i said:

Thought Joe owned most of the shares.

Byker28i said:

A discretionary trust of which certain members of Mr J Lewis's family are potential beneficiaries ultimately owns 70.12% of the share capital of ENIC.

You've kind of answered your own question there.

Joe Lewis doesn't own any shares and has not been a Person with Significant Control of the football club since 5th October 22. The Lewis family has a discretionary trust which owns the shares and Joe Lewis is not a beneficiary of that trust.

Doesn't stop people still thinking Lewis "owns" the football club though.

He hasn't sold his shares and severed any connection with them though, he's just put them in his kids names (no doubt in anticipation of insider trading conviction). So whilst he no longer has any legal control or benefit from the shares, I'd suggest that it's somewhat fanciful to imagine that he no longer exerts any influence over a multi-billion £ entity he created.

Yeah, Ive not done the shareholders meetings since pre-covid

[Zolvaro]

4 goals in 3 games from Mikey Moore at the Euro U17's including 2 crackers, I wonder if he will go out on loan next year or warm the bench for us.

[Terry Winks]

He's looked a level above in every age group he's been in. I suspect he'll go out on loan next season.

[Guvernator]

Werner loan extended, I'm actually getting sick of the lack of ambition of this club.

[48k]

Guvernator said:

Werner loan extended, I'm actually getting sick of the lack of ambition of this club.

Calm down dear. The transfer window doesn't open for another 2 weeks.

[Guvernator]

48k said:

Calm down dear. The transfer window doesn't open for another 2 weeks.

I know it doesn't. I'm talking about the fact that the club thinks Werner is good enough (he isn't) which they'll use to justify not buying someone better.

Always the cheap option, ALWAYS.

[juliussneezer]

He flatters to deceive.

[Byker28i]

Guvernator said:

48k said:

Calm down dear. The transfer window doesn't open for another 2 weeks.

I know it doesn't. I'm talking about the fact that the club thinks Werner is good enough (he isn't) which they'll use to justify not buying someone better.

Always the cheap option, ALWAYS.

We;ll need a bigger squad with european football. We tried to just do the league on the cheap last year and got caught out with a lack of players. I don't mind Werner as a winger, releases Son, but needs to do better than 2 goals, 3 assists. Johnson got 5 goals 10 assists

[Guvernator]

Byker28i said:

We;ll need a bigger squad with european football. We tried to just do the league on the cheap last year and got caught out with a lack of players. I don't mind Werner as a winger, releases Son, but needs to do better than 2 goals, 3 assists. Johnson got 5 goals 10 assists

Releases Son to do what? If you are suggesting we need to manage Son's time so he doesn't play so many minutes, I 100% agree. If you are suggesting Werner is the one who should be filling that slot then I don't agree. Son is 31, we should be looking to get a player in that will push him hard for that spot and replace him in a year or two, not a temporary stand-in who as you've pointed out only has 2 goals and 3 assists.

I'm not sure why as Spurs fans we fall into this same trap time and time again. The fact is he isn't good enough and we should be actively looking to replace him with someone better, not shrug our shoulders and hope he magically gets better. This is how you end up with the likes of Royal, Dier etc at the club for years and years. This is part of the step change that Ange was talking about, we shouldn't accept mediocrity.

[sugerbear]

Guvernator said:

Byker28i said:

We;ll need a bigger squad with european football. We tried to just do the league on the cheap last year and got caught out with a lack of players. I don't mind Werner as a winger, releases Son, but needs to do better than 2 goals, 3 assists. Johnson got 5 goals 10 assists

Releases Son to do what? If you are suggesting we need to manage Son's time so he doesn't play so many minutes, I 100% agree. If you are suggesting Werner is the one who should be filling that slot then I don't agree. Son is 31, we should be looking to get a player in that will push him hard for that spot and replace him in a year or two, not a temporary stand-in who as you've pointed out only has 2 goals and 3 assists.

I'm not sure why as Spurs fans we fall into this same trap time and time again. The fact is he isn't good enough and we should be actively looking to replace him with someone better, not shrug our shoulders and hope he magically gets better. This is how you end up with the likes of Royal, Dier etc at the club for years and years. This is part of the step change that Ange was talking about, we shouldn't accept mediocrity.

Hate to say this but if we had managed to keep Kane we would have been top four, Werner looked good on the wing, not so good as an out and out striker because he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.Signing him for another year just gives us more options if the league / cup / europa starts to bit with injuries and the need to rest players.