The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]
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jammy_basturd said:
RT, two questions:
1 - If FSG are money grabbing scumbags can you tell us all how much money they've taken out of the club?
2 - Do you think we can compete with Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and City for players?
Sure Jammy. You can answer my questions also1 - If FSG are money grabbing scumbags can you tell us all how much money they've taken out of the club?
2 - Do you think we can compete with Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and City for players?
1. FSG are cleverer than the previous owners. They'll triple their money when they sell. They're just keeping things ticking along and after buying the club they've increased income by sorting the marketing, sponsorship, refurbishment (when they originally committed to a new) stadium, reduced wages and also had the benefit of the new tv money. They have a 5 year plan I think of selling the club where they'll make a huge profit.
2. I think Rafa competed with at least 3 of those 4 teams for players. I think a manager with stature will attract players. I also think that our transfers on the whole under FSG and Mr Rodgers has been very poor. I also think Mr Rodgers dismantling of the academy structure was criminal.
So my questions
1. If Klopp or Ancelotti were available at Xmas and our form continues as last season would you agree that Mr Rodgers should be sacked?
2. You have £1,000 for a charity of your choice bet that Mr Rodgers will finish top 4?
RedTrident said:
What have I won? Something more meaningful than watching you lose your money. That you and more agree with my take on Mr Rodgers, and I'm sure over the fullness of time, more will agree with me on my thoughts of FSG.
You won't bet until after you've seen the signings. I'm confident that even if Mr Rodgers gets his top 4 targets he will fail to secure top 4. I'm pretty certain that Milner, Ings, Clyne and Benteke are players that Mr Rodgers wanted. I think you're holding out that the committee manage to bring in a Coutinho equivalent striker and central midfielder. I'm pretty certain that those 4 player will be pretty much all we're getting that will feature in the match day squad.
Think with Milner's signing on fee those 4 will cost us c50 million. That'll be covered by the sale of Sterling, Lambert, Aspas and Borini.
My thoughts on FSG are well documented on here and I agree that they are in it for the money and I always have thought that.You won't bet until after you've seen the signings. I'm confident that even if Mr Rodgers gets his top 4 targets he will fail to secure top 4. I'm pretty certain that Milner, Ings, Clyne and Benteke are players that Mr Rodgers wanted. I think you're holding out that the committee manage to bring in a Coutinho equivalent striker and central midfielder. I'm pretty certain that those 4 player will be pretty much all we're getting that will feature in the match day squad.
Think with Milner's signing on fee those 4 will cost us c50 million. That'll be covered by the sale of Sterling, Lambert, Aspas and Borini.
I'll never think Rodgers is a fraud or have your venom towards him so think again on that bit.
You are right about my take on your bet - If we sign someone I think is better than the 4 you mention then I will take it, if we don't then I won't.
My offer of the 1K to charity if cut back on your repetitive posts stands by the way.
RedTrident said:
jammy_basturd said:
RT, two questions:
1 - If FSG are money grabbing scumbags can you tell us all how much money they've taken out of the club?
2 - Do you think we can compete with Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and City for players?
Sure Jammy. You can answer my questions also1 - If FSG are money grabbing scumbags can you tell us all how much money they've taken out of the club?
2 - Do you think we can compete with Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and City for players?
1. FSG are cleverer than the previous owners. They'll triple their money when they sell. They're just keeping things ticking along and after buying the club they've increased income by sorting the marketing, sponsorship, refurbishment (when they originally committed to a new) stadium, reduced wages and also had the benefit of the new tv money. They have a 5 year plan I think of selling the club where they'll make a huge profit.
2. I think Rafa competed with at least 3 of those 4 teams for players. I think a manager with stature will attract players. I also think that our transfers on the whole under FSG and Mr Rodgers has been very poor. I also think Mr Rodgers dismantling of the academy structure was criminal.
So my questions
1. If Klopp or Ancelotti were available at Xmas and our form continues as last season would you agree that Mr Rodgers should be sacked?
2. You have £1,000 for a charity of your choice bet that Mr Rodgers will finish top 4?
2a) Rafa had CL football & no City dominating the top four , we also had a world class Stevie G & a few other top players at the time. We are at a different shop now despite what people like to think.
1b) Ancelotti would be a good choice but would not come to us I don't think, Klopp is not really an improvement over Rogers IMHO, you can point at him winning the German league but it's far less competitive than our league. When he lost his best players his team was pretty poor, as with Rogers!
2b) if we sign a very good striker or two, & maybe another few solid additions then top 4 should be an achievable aim, but top 7 is now a hugely competetive task.
desolate - we both know that you also think Mr Rodgers won't win us any trophies and short of some superstar signings won't get us top 4. He's a mid table manager that has got Liverpool pretty much to a mid table team. Lets not pretend you think any differently on this matter.
Your offer of a different bet is just a sideshow. Bet on the football, not what I'll post. If you honestly think he's good enough put up £1,000.
What was it he said about where a team should be finishing after spending £100 million?
Your offer of a different bet is just a sideshow. Bet on the football, not what I'll post. If you honestly think he's good enough put up £1,000.
What was it he said about where a team should be finishing after spending £100 million?
RWD cossie wil said:
1a) FSG have not got the financial muscle of the oil billionaires to just chuck 200m a season at the team. If we tick over whilst slowly improving stadiums/facility's , sponsors etc that's not a bad thing?
2a) Rafa had CL football & no City dominating the top four , we also had a world class Stevie G & a few other top players at the time. We are at a different shop now despite what people like to think.
1b) Ancelotti would be a good choice but would not come to us I don't think, Klopp is not really an improvement over Rogers IMHO, you can point at him winning the German league but it's far less competitive than our league. When he lost his best players his team was pretty poor, as with Rogers!
2b) if we sign a very good striker or two, & maybe another few solid additions then top 4 should be an achievable aim, but top 7 is now a hugely competetive task.
1a) Of course increasing our revenue is not a bad thing. Its why they're doing it for me. They are playing the fans imo. They measure success by ££ and the profit they'll make at the end of their ownership. Ticking over leaves us further behind. And yes we're not the team we once were, Mr Rodgers is not blameless here is he? After all he's had 3 full seasons2a) Rafa had CL football & no City dominating the top four , we also had a world class Stevie G & a few other top players at the time. We are at a different shop now despite what people like to think.
1b) Ancelotti would be a good choice but would not come to us I don't think, Klopp is not really an improvement over Rogers IMHO, you can point at him winning the German league but it's far less competitive than our league. When he lost his best players his team was pretty poor, as with Rogers!
2b) if we sign a very good striker or two, & maybe another few solid additions then top 4 should be an achievable aim, but top 7 is now a hugely competetive task.
2a) Even with Champions League Rafa had built a reputation. Players wanted to play for him because of his achievements on the pitch, not his smile, taste in watches or envelopes
1b) Klopp has won trophies and competed in the Champions League, a competition with far richer teams in it than the German league. His domestic achievements have also got to be measured from where he picked the team up from to where he took them to (winning the league). Saying it is far less competitive is unfair in this context.
2b) The striker thing. Benteke will be it and/or expect some swap deal with Sterling for Walcott. As for another few solid additions. For what position? All I see left as a potential is a left back to compete with Moreno and maybe another keeper. The other positions are full.
I don't agree that a club that has spent the kind of money we have should be competing for top 7. If thats the case the manager is not operating at the level that he should be. I think losing 6-1 to Stoke will not be the worst result at the start of next season.
RedTrident said:
desolate - we both know that you also think Mr Rodgers won't win us any trophies and short of some superstar signings won't get us top 4. He's a mid table manager that has got Liverpool pretty much to a mid table team. Lets not pretend you think any differently on this matter.
Your offer of a different bet is just a sideshow. Bet on the football, not what I'll post. If you honestly think he's good enough put up £1,000.
What was it he said about where a team should be finishing after spending £100 million?
If he had a couple of superstar signings he would have a level playing field with the top 4. I said a while ago I would take Ancelotti tomorrow. I said after the first UTD game that he deserved everything that was coming his way. I have also said I would prefer Pochetino. But you don't actually read anyone's posts other than to find an angle to argue.Your offer of a different bet is just a sideshow. Bet on the football, not what I'll post. If you honestly think he's good enough put up £1,000.
What was it he said about where a team should be finishing after spending £100 million?
My bet is no more of a sideshow than yours, and would actually do this forum some good.
I'll try to go back to ignoring you - your posting style is intensely irritating.
My posting style is irritating because you find yourself now having to admit that you agree with me i think. Thats fine by me, ignore away. I'll sleep well knowing that we're really on the same side and expect the same things under the tenure of Mr Rodgers and FSG. Sweet dreams desolate 
RedTrident said:
My posting style is irritating because
As recently posted:People with narcissistic personality disorder are characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance. They have a sense of entitlement and demonstrate grandiosity in their beliefs and behavior. They have a strong need for admiration, but lack feelings of empathy.
Just tone it down RT and let us enjoy the forum as opposed to grandstanding.
Edited by Pommygranite on Wednesday 3rd June 02:57
I'll take those well constructed words to mean I was right and its hard for some to accept Pommy. As for enjoying the forum, I'm enjoying it plenty at the moment thanks. Other posters have asked my opinion, I've asked there's. Some openly agree, others perhaps struggle to admit they agree and then there are those that are eternal optimists (though exercising financial prudence). Join in the debate or ignore it by all means but I'll carry on having these conversations with those that want to about why the manager was kept on, the quality of his signings and how we might improve for the coming season.
I'll come back and have a giggle (else I'd cry) when we buy Benteke for 30 million whilst Southampton or Swansea buy somebody far more dynamic for a third of the price. Have a pleasant day.
I'll come back and have a giggle (else I'd cry) when we buy Benteke for 30 million whilst Southampton or Swansea buy somebody far more dynamic for a third of the price. Have a pleasant day.
Edited by RedTrident on Wednesday 3rd June 06:29
Think it's best we move on from bets and people not taking them.
Ancelotti turns down AC Milan because he needs a rest and that operation...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32935485
Ancelotti turns down AC Milan because he needs a rest and that operation...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32935485
This decision changes nothing although it would be nice to know what improvements are foreseen. A director of football is most certainly on the cards.
Ah wee Brendan. Your future now lies with the people who matter most, the fans who pay on the gate. At the first sign of silly excuses, hyperbole to describe the ordinary, square peg round hole and nonsensical team selections we will down on you like a ton of bricks.
As it should be, the fans will decide and FSG will follow.
Ah wee Brendan. Your future now lies with the people who matter most, the fans who pay on the gate. At the first sign of silly excuses, hyperbole to describe the ordinary, square peg round hole and nonsensical team selections we will down on you like a ton of bricks.
As it should be, the fans will decide and FSG will follow.
It is a reality check that we are now a 5-7 place team, a sad reality but true.
We don't have as much money as the top 4 due to not having multi-billionaire owners and we will struggle to get as much matchday revenue/sponsorship money as the top 4 (although we do very well for sponsorship) Arsenal may not have hugely rich owners but are very well run, as a London club will always generate more matchday income than us and their new ground was partly funded by the value of the their old ground when turned into flats.
Chelsea and City have owners who buy players and will fund huge spends on players as the club was their personal plaything- no one can compete with that, until the owners get bored.
Utd have invested in a huge stadium with matchday income to match. We must not forget that their owners have saddled them with huge amounts of debt as well though, something we don't have.
In terms of the top 4, there will always be one or two clubs in 'transition' and there for the taking, when they have a new manager or a lot of new players. Utd when Moyes took over we there for the taking and we replaced them in the top 4, Utd were last season but we were not good enough to get past them, when we should have done.
next season, I believe City will be the team to beat to get 4th, they have an aging squad and any new players will take time to settle in. So I feel we can get back into the top 4, but not every season and we have to accept that there is no other way. Football is ruled so much by money and that will not change. We may have the odd season, once in 5/10 years when we compete for the title, but I cannot see it getting any better than that.
we have to do well in the Europa League so when we have the odd season in the CL, we can compete
We don't have as much money as the top 4 due to not having multi-billionaire owners and we will struggle to get as much matchday revenue/sponsorship money as the top 4 (although we do very well for sponsorship) Arsenal may not have hugely rich owners but are very well run, as a London club will always generate more matchday income than us and their new ground was partly funded by the value of the their old ground when turned into flats.
Chelsea and City have owners who buy players and will fund huge spends on players as the club was their personal plaything- no one can compete with that, until the owners get bored.
Utd have invested in a huge stadium with matchday income to match. We must not forget that their owners have saddled them with huge amounts of debt as well though, something we don't have.
In terms of the top 4, there will always be one or two clubs in 'transition' and there for the taking, when they have a new manager or a lot of new players. Utd when Moyes took over we there for the taking and we replaced them in the top 4, Utd were last season but we were not good enough to get past them, when we should have done.
next season, I believe City will be the team to beat to get 4th, they have an aging squad and any new players will take time to settle in. So I feel we can get back into the top 4, but not every season and we have to accept that there is no other way. Football is ruled so much by money and that will not change. We may have the odd season, once in 5/10 years when we compete for the title, but I cannot see it getting any better than that.
we have to do well in the Europa League so when we have the odd season in the CL, we can compete
Well UTD have bid 110m for Bale and Verane so we can safely say the best we can ever hope for with Rodgers or God at the relm is 5th
Chelsea will spend, City will and I think Arsenal will this year too
We need to start forgetting 4th and hope for good cup runs - We need to go all out for Europa,Facup, League cup - 4th is just a pipe dream for me now
Chelsea will spend, City will and I think Arsenal will this year too
We need to start forgetting 4th and hope for good cup runs - We need to go all out for Europa,Facup, League cup - 4th is just a pipe dream for me now
Benitez to be confirmed as Real Madrid's boss...
Rick Parry said:
"I think it's a great appointment for Rafa at his home club.
In many ways it's his dream job. It was one that he kept telling us was on the cards whilst he was at Liverpool.
Good luck to Rafa. I'll be sending him a message today assuming it is confirmed and I hope it works out for both of them."
Interesting comments. Also if doesn't succeed at Real next season (and by success, that probably means winning both La Liga and CL)... I wonder where he could end up?In many ways it's his dream job. It was one that he kept telling us was on the cards whilst he was at Liverpool.
Good luck to Rafa. I'll be sending him a message today assuming it is confirmed and I hope it works out for both of them."
London424 said:
Just as a note, I'm pretty sure Liverpool have a higher Gross and Net spend on transfers than Arsenal over the last 5 years.
Probably do - but that has been whilst they have not been spending , they now have ability to spend a lot more than us - did they not have around 135m in the bank ??Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff