The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
Discussion
Black can man said:
Alfahorn said:
Good post and spot on.
I have nothing but complete contempt for him, I won't even use his name anymore.
The latest rumour on the Telegraph is he's stalling on the Mustafi deal as he's yet to make an increased bid. It's deplorable what is going on at this club and I feel the individual shareholders should be demanding an EGM as questions really need to be asked of the Manager and the board.
I'm surprised any Arsenal fan think that the board wants success , things seem to be ticking over nicely for their pockets.I have nothing but complete contempt for him, I won't even use his name anymore.
The latest rumour on the Telegraph is he's stalling on the Mustafi deal as he's yet to make an increased bid. It's deplorable what is going on at this club and I feel the individual shareholders should be demanding an EGM as questions really need to be asked of the Manager and the board.
Why would the Shareholders care ? Wenger is a dream for them.
king everything because the board let him. He interviewed his theoretical boss for his job! The current board and indeed the previous board who all sold out to Kronke or Usmanov all made tens of millions because Wenger pulled Top 4 out of the hat every year. So they worship the ground he walks oN. Raygun said:
Them Man Utd fans who kept slating the Glazer's don't know when their well off,I do a swap with Stan Kroenke any day of the week.
So would I....especially when this is his attitude.http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/stan-kroe...
amgmcqueen said:
Looking back at AW last 20 years, who do you think is the better Arsenal manager....George Graham or Arsene Wenger?
George. All day every day.When he arrived we hadn't won the league in 14/15 years he made us competitive. He brought through players like Paul Merson, Kevin Campbell and Ray Parlour, built the famous back four which lasted a further 7 years after he left and were the bedrock of our success in the early years of the current 'Manager'.
George wasn't without his faults and the last year or 2 of his reign were a difficult watch but he left his mark and the foundations for future success.
The current Manager tasted success but will leave behind complete and utter carnage.
Who can blame him? He owns a big stake in one of the world's wealthiest football clubs and he can do nothing with it. He has no say in how things are run because they won't let him anywhere near the board. Who realisticly is going to buy those sharesponsible in exchange for the wonderful way they would get treated. The only way I can see it happening is Kroenke tales out a loan to buy said shares and lumps it onto the club a large Glaziers and that really would be a disaster.
aeropilot said:
Raygun said:
Them Man Utd fans who kept slating the Glazer's don't know when their well off,I do a swap with Stan Kroenke any day of the week.
So would I....especially when this is his attitude.http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/stan-kroe...
king Hodgson and those two cowboy s who took liverpool to within hours of going into administration.You're solvent, you've got a great stadium, big fan base, rich owners and experienced manager who gets you European football EVERY season. Most PL clubs would be f
king delighted with that litte lot!Turquoise said:
aeropilot said:
Raygun said:
Them Man Utd fans who kept slating the Glazer's don't know when their well off,I do a swap with Stan Kroenke any day of the week.
So would I....especially when this is his attitude.http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/stan-kroe...
king Hodgson and those two cowboy s who took liverpool to within hours of going into administration.You're solvent, you've got a great stadium, big fan base, rich owners and experienced manager who gets you European football EVERY season. Most PL clubs would be f
king delighted with that little lot!After 10 years of essentially treading water, with zero ambition being showed, and the same mistakes being repeated year after year after year after year after year etc, I'm sure even they would begin feeling the same frustrations.
Particularly when the recruitment issues are so apparent to absolutely everyone, the finances are there to make it happen, and yet the manager decides to allow us to go into a season with no senior centrebacks fit and with the same deficiencies in the squad that he himself had publicly acknowledged way back in May!
Supporters of every club want their team to improve, regardless of the position they are in. Supporters of the team that finished second want their team to win the league, supporters of teams in the Europa league places want their team to get top 4, supporters of teams finishing mid table want their team to get into Europe etc.
Just because Arsenal have consistently made it into the Champions League and have a ton of money doesn't mean we should simply be content and happy with our lot- that is exactly the mentality that seems to be manifesting itself at the higher levels of the club and the reason so many of it's supporters are currently unhappy!
I think most of us would be happy just to see the club show a shred of ambition, commensurate with the resources available. Rather than acting like a cash-strapped club, when even the team that finishes bottom of the league are in line to make £97m in tv revenue alone.
Glassman said:
Two seasons ago, Wenger stated that he would win the PL within three seasons.
This is his time to deliver, and he should be judged on his word.
The one chance he had of doing that was last season - and he blew it.This is his time to deliver, and he should be judged on his word.
Not a hope he'll deliver on that empty promise this season.
I'll be amazed if we finish as high as 4th this season...!!
Turquoise said:
And Arsenal fans don't know when they're well off either, compared to having to endure Roy fking Hodgson and those two cowboy s who took liverpool to within hours of going into administration.
You're solvent, you've got a great stadium, big fan base, rich owners and experienced manager who gets you European football EVERY season. Most PL clubs would be fking delighted with that litte lot!
If you were an Arsenal fan had to endure the frustration we have around the lack of investment, the failure season upon season to address issues with the team which have been the same for most of the last decade and had to pay the most expensive tickets in Europe you'd understand.king Hodgson and those two cowboy s who took liverpool to within hours of going into administration.You're solvent, you've got a great stadium, big fan base, rich owners and experienced manager who gets you European football EVERY season. Most PL clubs would be f
king delighted with that litte lot!Liverpool aren't without fault, however they've tried to make changes for the right reasons and all the Managers there have been backed financially.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederi...
Shamelessly stolen from Arseblog, which i know many of you follow, but still, interesting reading. Not just on Kroenke, but the stupidity of buying a home on land you dont own.
Chilling for our future, with Wenger his golden boy of financial return underneath him, we wont see change until he hangs up his boots. I also expect a contract renewal at the end of this one, for what it is worth...
Shamelessly stolen from Arseblog, which i know many of you follow, but still, interesting reading. Not just on Kroenke, but the stupidity of buying a home on land you dont own.
Chilling for our future, with Wenger his golden boy of financial return underneath him, we wont see change until he hangs up his boots. I also expect a contract renewal at the end of this one, for what it is worth...
Alfahorn said:
If you were an Arsenal fan had to endure the frustration we have around the lack of investment, the failure season upon season to address issues with the team which have been the same for most of the last decade and had to pay the most expensive tickets in Europe you'd understand.
Liverpool aren't without fault, however they've tried to make changes for the right reasons and all the Managers there have been backed financially.
Liverpool have spent an absolute fortune and have gone backwards. Liverpool aren't without fault, however they've tried to make changes for the right reasons and all the Managers there have been backed financially.
There's no lack of investment at Arsenal they just don't spend as much as the biggest club in the league and the two financially doped clubs. After that year on year they pretty much spend the next most.
You want lack of investment look down the road at Tottenham, Net over the last 6 or 7 years we've spent less than every other club in the prem and a fair bit of the championship.
The fact that Leicester, Arse and Spurs finished 1,2,3 last year and clubs like Liverpool Chelsea and manyoo finished mid table proves that spunking money left right and centre doesn't always mean titles.
ascayman said:
Alfahorn said:
If you were an Arsenal fan had to endure the frustration we have around the lack of investment, the failure season upon season to address issues with the team which have been the same for most of the last decade and had to pay the most expensive tickets in Europe you'd understand.
Liverpool aren't without fault, however they've tried to make changes for the right reasons and all the Managers there have been backed financially.
Liverpool have spent an absolute fortune and have gone backwards. Liverpool aren't without fault, however they've tried to make changes for the right reasons and all the Managers there have been backed financially.
There's no lack of investment at Arsenal they just don't spend as much as the biggest club in the league and the two financially doped clubs. After that year on year they pretty much spend the next most.
You want lack of investment look down the road at Tottenham, Net over the last 6 or 7 years we've spent less than every other club in the prem and a fair bit of the championship.
The fact that Leicester, Arse and Spurs finished 1,2,3 last year and clubs like Liverpool Chelsea and manyoo finished mid table proves that spunking money left right and centre doesn't always mean titles.
Plus on the other hand continue to charge the fans a pretty penny to watch the club, who every season promise so much, have a meltdown after Xmas, exit the cups, champions league and the make sure you can never win the title.
Would you rather spend a couple of season spunking some money, show intent to win something, and then fail? Or be like Wenger who is comfortable in the top 4 collecting his wages making excuses.
mylesmcd said:
Chilling for our future, with Wenger his golden boy of financial return underneath him, we wont see change until he hangs up his boots. I also expect a contract renewal at the end of this one, for what it is worth...
I agree about AW getting a contract renewal too......Unless, of course we finish outside top 4 this season (bigger chance of that happening this season than in many previous one IMHO) in which case, they might not re-new?
Challo said:
But is that what is frustrating? Knowing that you have the basis of a squad that can compete in the top 4 on minimal outlay every season, but its obvious to all the fans that if you bought another striker(s) a central defender (s) then you can win the titles and challenge for the champions league. Not talking a huge outlay but easily spend 60-80m on 2/3 world class players that can make the difference.
Plus on the other hand continue to charge the fans a pretty penny to watch the club, who every season promise so much, have a meltdown after Xmas, exit the cups, champions league and the make sure you can never win the title.
Would you rather spend a couple of season spunking some money, show intent to win something, and then fail? Or be like Wenger who is comfortable in the top 4 collecting his wages making excuses.
You've spent £40m already this summer and still two weeks to go. Plus on the other hand continue to charge the fans a pretty penny to watch the club, who every season promise so much, have a meltdown after Xmas, exit the cups, champions league and the make sure you can never win the title.
Would you rather spend a couple of season spunking some money, show intent to win something, and then fail? Or be like Wenger who is comfortable in the top 4 collecting his wages making excuses.
Last 5 seasons only behind manyoo and the doped clubs.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-las...
Ozil, Sanchez etc etc. Its hardly lack of investment is it?
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