The Official Arsenal - 14 x FA Cup winners thread - Vol 4
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ascayman said:
Liverpool have spent an absolute fortune and have gone backwards.
There's no lack of investment at Arsenal they just don't spend as much as the biggest club in the league and the two financially doped clubs. After that year on year they pretty much spend the next most.
You want lack of investment look down the road at Tottenham, Net over the last 6 or 7 years we've spent less than every other club in the prem and a fair bit of the championship.
The fact that Leicester, Arse and Spurs finished 1,2,3 last year and clubs like Liverpool Chelsea and manyoo finished mid table proves that spunking money left right and centre doesn't always mean titles.
My argument is that we don't address the needs of the team or the mistakes we make year on year. I've have repeatedly said and explained what feels like a million times over a 3 or 4 year period on here and still have to explain it over and over again.There's no lack of investment at Arsenal they just don't spend as much as the biggest club in the league and the two financially doped clubs. After that year on year they pretty much spend the next most.
You want lack of investment look down the road at Tottenham, Net over the last 6 or 7 years we've spent less than every other club in the prem and a fair bit of the championship.
The fact that Leicester, Arse and Spurs finished 1,2,3 last year and clubs like Liverpool Chelsea and manyoo finished mid table proves that spunking money left right and centre doesn't always mean titles.
Winning titles is not guaranteed, however with the infrastructure and resources we have we should be more competitive than we have been, that is clear for all to see.
ascayman said:
Ozil, Sanchez etc etc. Its hardly lack of investment is it?
When I last checked neither of them play in the centre of defence and neither of them is a centre forward either. We've bought a kid from Bolton (all be it a promising one) who is miles away from being ready to compete in the Premier League but had to come in against Liverpool and used an equally inexperienced player alongside him in Chambers.
What we need all summer long before we even got the injuries to Gabriel and Mertesacker was another established and experienced centre back.
So, again I highlight the investment in the team has been carried out.
Alfahorn said:
When I last checked neither of them play in the centre of defence and neither of them is a centre forward either.
We've bought a kid from Bolton (all be it a promising one) who is miles away from being ready to compete in the Premier League but had to come in against Liverpool and used an equally inexperienced player alongside him in Chambers.
What we need all summer long before we even got the injuries to Gabriel and Mertesacker was another established and experienced centre back.
So, again I highlight the investment in the team has been carried out.
but that's not lack of investment is it, you may be buying the wrong players but there is certainly no lack of investment. We've bought a kid from Bolton (all be it a promising one) who is miles away from being ready to compete in the Premier League but had to come in against Liverpool and used an equally inexperienced player alongside him in Chambers.
What we need all summer long before we even got the injuries to Gabriel and Mertesacker was another established and experienced centre back.
So, again I highlight the investment in the team has been carried out.
ascayman said:
Alfahorn said:
When I last checked neither of them play in the centre of defence and neither of them is a centre forward either.
We've bought a kid from Bolton (all be it a promising one) who is miles away from being ready to compete in the Premier League but had to come in against Liverpool and used an equally inexperienced player alongside him in Chambers.
What we need all summer long before we even got the injuries to Gabriel and Mertesacker was another established and experienced centre back.
So, again I highlight the investment in the team has been carried out.
but that's not lack of investment is it, you may be buying the wrong players but there is certainly no lack of investment. We've bought a kid from Bolton (all be it a promising one) who is miles away from being ready to compete in the Premier League but had to come in against Liverpool and used an equally inexperienced player alongside him in Chambers.
What we need all summer long before we even got the injuries to Gabriel and Mertesacker was another established and experienced centre back.
So, again I highlight the investment in the team has been carried out.
Alfahorn said:
mylesmcd said:
Chilling for our future, with Wenger his golden boy of financial return underneath him, we wont see change until he hangs up his boots. I also expect a contract renewal at the end of this one, for what it is worth...
I fear you're right.He has already been dropping the hints.
mylesmcd said:
Alfahorn said:
mylesmcd said:
Chilling for our future, with Wenger his golden boy of financial return underneath him, we wont see change until he hangs up his boots. I also expect a contract renewal at the end of this one, for what it is worth...
I fear you're right.He has already been dropping the hints.
I therefore have zero reason to believe that should the club offer him another contract extension, he will bite their hand off.
mylesmcd said:
ascayman said:
Alfahorn said:
When I last checked neither of them play in the centre of defence and neither of them is a centre forward either.
We've bought a kid from Bolton (all be it a promising one) who is miles away from being ready to compete in the Premier League but had to come in against Liverpool and used an equally inexperienced player alongside him in Chambers.
What we need all summer long before we even got the injuries to Gabriel and Mertesacker was another established and experienced centre back.
So, again I highlight the investment in the team has been carried out.
but that's not lack of investment is it, you may be buying the wrong players but there is certainly no lack of investment. We've bought a kid from Bolton (all be it a promising one) who is miles away from being ready to compete in the Premier League but had to come in against Liverpool and used an equally inexperienced player alongside him in Chambers.
What we need all summer long before we even got the injuries to Gabriel and Mertesacker was another established and experienced centre back.
So, again I highlight the investment in the team has been carried out.
aeropilot said:
mylesmcd said:
Alfahorn said:
mylesmcd said:
Chilling for our future, with Wenger his golden boy of financial return underneath him, we wont see change until he hangs up his boots. I also expect a contract renewal at the end of this one, for what it is worth...
I fear you're right.He has already been dropping the hints.
I therefore have zero reason to believe that should the club offer him another contract extension, he will bite their hand off.
“I asked: ‘Do you miss it?’ He said: ‘Not at all.’
“I didn’t understand that"
the figures in that transfer table spend are skewed somewhat by the huge monies received for the likes of Bale/Suarez etc.
Bottom line is that unlike some of the other bigger clubs Arsenal have not dipped their toe in the market for the required amount of players - bringing in Sanchez/Ozil for example still left in those seasons another 1-2 players/positions where we were short of quality cover.
Big IF, if we had bought right during those seasons we might well have got away with just buying 1-2 players this time around, but because Wenger has never addressed sorting out quality throughout the team we are perpetually 'short'.
Buying Wellbeck at the 11th hour was hardly a quality move, more a desperate one, Gabriel was never the finished article etc etc.
AW is just a boring windbag who pretty much argues against himself with any statement that he makes; First he tells us that there's only a limited amount of players that will improve the team, and then he tells everyone that the other clubs have bought them.....he's known for more than a year that we're short of cover/quality in key areas. The injury to Mert & Gabriel merely highlighted that lack of depth in defence and its been plain to see for ages that Giraud is too inconsistent.
Potentially having a porr start to the season could well cost what £20-50m in revenue if the club ends up finishing 5-7th? so surely its arguable that there's merit in paying a few mill over the top for a player that could/should make the difference - and having him join in time for pre-season?
the bloke is a dinosaur.
Bottom line is that unlike some of the other bigger clubs Arsenal have not dipped their toe in the market for the required amount of players - bringing in Sanchez/Ozil for example still left in those seasons another 1-2 players/positions where we were short of quality cover.
Big IF, if we had bought right during those seasons we might well have got away with just buying 1-2 players this time around, but because Wenger has never addressed sorting out quality throughout the team we are perpetually 'short'.
Buying Wellbeck at the 11th hour was hardly a quality move, more a desperate one, Gabriel was never the finished article etc etc.
AW is just a boring windbag who pretty much argues against himself with any statement that he makes; First he tells us that there's only a limited amount of players that will improve the team, and then he tells everyone that the other clubs have bought them.....he's known for more than a year that we're short of cover/quality in key areas. The injury to Mert & Gabriel merely highlighted that lack of depth in defence and its been plain to see for ages that Giraud is too inconsistent.
Potentially having a porr start to the season could well cost what £20-50m in revenue if the club ends up finishing 5-7th? so surely its arguable that there's merit in paying a few mill over the top for a player that could/should make the difference - and having him join in time for pre-season?
the bloke is a dinosaur.
I cannot believe he is still relying on Mertesacker, he might of been alright 10 years ago, he's days at the top level are long gone.
We all know players are overpriced but as a rule if you don't spend on overpriced players you don't win f
k all, for the Arsenal fan now the season ends in February all down to his reluctance to spend, making sure he gets his fat salary.
It's all getting long in the tooth now.
We all know players are overpriced but as a rule if you don't spend on overpriced players you don't win f
k all, for the Arsenal fan now the season ends in February all down to his reluctance to spend, making sure he gets his fat salary.It's all getting long in the tooth now.
Wenger declares he is happy with our strikers and says he would rather bring through club developed players.
...and in completely unrelated news, Lacazette scored another 2 goals making it FIVE in just two games for him so far this season.
Whilst a striker isn't so much of a priority as a center back, it was a position that Wenger himself declared (back in May) that we needed to strengthen in. One failed bid for Jamie Vardy later, and apparently he is now happy with his options in that position.
We are going to end up starting a major prem/champions league game with Yaya Sanago up front at some point this season aren't we
Arsene Wenger said:
"It is an important season for Theo, because last year he had a difficult period.
He can play as a striker and his numbers are excellent when he plays up front, we have Giroud, Sanchez, Walcott, Akpom and (Yaya) Sanogo who is still here but is injured at the moment – the players we buy have to be better.
I guess he's saying he hasn't found a striker that is better than any of those...He can play as a striker and his numbers are excellent when he plays up front, we have Giroud, Sanchez, Walcott, Akpom and (Yaya) Sanogo who is still here but is injured at the moment – the players we buy have to be better.
...and in completely unrelated news, Lacazette scored another 2 goals making it FIVE in just two games for him so far this season.
Whilst a striker isn't so much of a priority as a center back, it was a position that Wenger himself declared (back in May) that we needed to strengthen in. One failed bid for Jamie Vardy later, and apparently he is now happy with his options in that position.
We are going to end up starting a major prem/champions league game with Yaya Sanago up front at some point this season aren't we
Cupramax said:
Yet another woefull clueless display, Walcott needs sending to play with the under 18's. The only good thing to come out of today was 90 mins for Koscielny, the rest of the team, fking clueless.
Koscielny was immense, showed exactly what was missing last weekend. I thought Xhaka had a good game too, managed to be everywhere he needed to be and most of his tackles he got spot on. I couldn't work out why he was subbed instead of the very-lucky-to-still-be-on-the-pitch Coquelin.king clueless.Walcott was useless. Sanchez flitted between looking knackered and uninterested, either way he was nowhere near the pace. Chamberlain at least looked to try and make things happen now and again, but with zero end-product. I still thought he was unlucky to be subbed ahead of Walcott though. It was certainly the bluntest an Arsenal front-3 have looked for a while, and that's saying something.
Until the introduction of the subs it was just sideways passing in front of the Leicester box. Sanchez was the notional forward but was playing so deep most of the time we were essentially playing with no forward.
The 0-0 looked likely from about 15 minutes in, but with Coquelin getting extremely luckky and the stonewall late penalty not being given, I'd say Arsenal were quite fortunate in the end to come away with a point.
Certainly didn't look like any progress has been made from last season whatsoever
Edit: In determination to find a positive from the game (Koscielny aside), the one thing I was pretty happy with was the Coquelin/Xhaka partnership in midfield. It certainly seemed to give the back 4 more protection than they've had in a long time. I can see that being the preferred choice in some of the big games this season.
Edited by Squirrelofwoe on Saturday 20th August 19:43
As a Liverpool fan I'll never forget your 40 mil and a quid offer for Suarez. Sums up Arsenals lack of ambition perfectly in my opinion. We're absolute garbage right now but at least we take gambles on players sometimes, and reach the occasional Mickey Mouse cup final. I genuinely feel for you lot, especially with your disgusting ticket prices. Wenger and kroenke are fking laughing at you.
king laughing at you.RKi said:
As a Liverpool fan I'll never forget your 40 mil and a quid offer for Suarez.
The purported clause (which turned out to be bks) was for OIEO £40m. If had any truth in it, and Wenger pulled off the deal he would have been hailed as a shrewd businessmen (by many) but as it was all a bit erroneous, Wenger got slated for the derisory offer (on the basis that there was no clause all along). He was damned if he did, and damned if he didn't.
In fairness, I think Suarez wanted Barca all along.
Glassman said:
RKi said:
As a Liverpool fan I'll never forget your 40 mil and a quid offer for Suarez.
The purported clause (which turned out to be bks) was for OIEO £40m. If had any truth in it, and Wenger pulled off the deal he would have been hailed as a shrewd businessmen (by many) but as it was all a bit erroneous, Wenger got slated for the derisory offer (on the basis that there was no clause all along). He was damned if he did, and damned if he didn't.
In fairness, I think Suarez wanted Barca all along.
If Arsenal had offered £60 or £70m, Suarez might have thought "this club mean business, and they really want me badly."
And you might have got him.
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