The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]
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Be mad to sell lallana we need a squad not just a team...
Bacca and Clyne would be superb additions and would represent a fantastic summer
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
Bacca and Clyne would be superb additions and would represent a fantastic summer
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/foot...
Aye, one thing we can all agree on (ok, ANOTHER thing) is we need competition for places. And quality cover. Transfer window looking promising this summer so far. But let's see what happens in August. I doubt they'll all be thrown into the team at the same time.
I'm on holiday at the moment. Has the Sterling to City thing gone quiet?
I'm on holiday at the moment. Has the Sterling to City thing gone quiet?
RedTrident said:
I'm not sure where Allen gets in to the team, regardless of what I think of him. Henderson, Milner and Can will be ahead of him I think. One of Allen and Lucas will be sold. I'd prefer it to be Joe Allen for no other reason than that Lucas provides much better defensive cover and I think him an Can can compete for this position. Joe Allen is just too much of a limited footballer. In a 3 man midfielder every player needs to be able to tackle. I've seen Coutinho tackle and compete for the ball in a way I've yet to see Allen do.
I think the style of football that Mr Rodgers originally thought he could play at a team like Liverpool, and hence the signing of Joe Allen, will be the death of him at Liverpool if he tries it next season rather than the death by football he spoke of when he arrived.
As for who is in charge of transfers. I think the more important observation is the clear shift from the premier league proven nonsense that was first used and then the more recent buying potential stuff of recent times. Milner, Clyne, Firmino, Bacca and to a lesser extent Ings are all 'proven' and much more than just potential. Hopefully, Mr Rodgers knows how to play professionals like these. I'd hate to see Firmino as a wing back.
I don't think we'll be playing him as a first choice, just I see him staying to provide a bit more depth in a place where we are relatively weak (compared to attacking midfielders). I would agree Lucas should stay, as we cannot afford for the defense to be worse than it has been. That said, the signings so far have generally been about getting more goals than the opposition again. Could be a fun season if we start getting goals again!I think the style of football that Mr Rodgers originally thought he could play at a team like Liverpool, and hence the signing of Joe Allen, will be the death of him at Liverpool if he tries it next season rather than the death by football he spoke of when he arrived.
As for who is in charge of transfers. I think the more important observation is the clear shift from the premier league proven nonsense that was first used and then the more recent buying potential stuff of recent times. Milner, Clyne, Firmino, Bacca and to a lesser extent Ings are all 'proven' and much more than just potential. Hopefully, Mr Rodgers knows how to play professionals like these. I'd hate to see Firmino as a wing back.
I had a look over last summer and it's quite interesting that a lot of the players were talked about positively when we signed them too. It's just over time hindsight comes in (and some of the players have not had the chance to shine properly with the positions they have been played in). That said, there is more depth to the promise of the players we are signing now, rather than just a decent one season.
The Sterling thing seems to have gone quiet. Wonder how the team shapes up if we don't get a £50M offer for Sterling? Will FSG sell him for less to offset the spending this summer, or will they hope he changes his mind about our intent and potential with the new players arriving (but would he get in the team)? His career is even more at risk now with the new signings, with him potentially being a bench warmer on a small amount of money per week for 2 years.
NRS said:
The Sterling thing seems to have gone quiet. Wonder how the team shapes up if we don't get a £50M offer for Sterling? Will FSG sell him for less to offset the spending this summer
For sure they will sell him. Apparently Chelsea are also interested according to Sky Sports but dont want to pay more than £40m. Signing Firmino might restrict FSG's ability to get 50m now so I would think low to mid 40's might be more realistic would be my guess.Time will tell if he works out at Liverpool, but this article is a good comparison between Sterling and Firmino and backs up the 'pre 2013-14 Suarez' player someone on here likened him to - http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/9893...
type-r said:
For sure they will sell him. Apparently Chelsea are also interested according to Sky Sports but dont want to pay more than £40m. Signing Firmino might restrict FSG's ability to get 50m now so I would think low to mid 40's might be more realistic would be my guess.
Why would we have to take less for Sterling now?That would only be true if other clubs knew we had to sell in order to recoup some of this outlay. Which we don't.
Also, even though Firmino plays no 10, I don't think we'll use him there, I think we'll either put him on the right of a forward three, or as part of two up front. It makes no sense to buy a player of his quality only to have him compete with Coutinho, our other best player, for position.
Be good to press on and buy Bacca, but to be honest I won't be too disappointed if we don't. I'd be happy with Ings, Firmino and Sturridge.
jammy_basturd said:
Why would we have to take less for Sterling now?
That would only be true if other clubs knew we had to sell in order to recoup some of this outlay. Which we don't.
Also, even though Firmino plays no 10, I don't think we'll use him there, I think we'll either put him on the right of a forward three, or as part of two up front. It makes no sense to buy a player of his quality only to have him compete with Coutinho, our other best player, for position.
Be good to press on and buy Bacca, but to be honest I won't be too disappointed if we don't. I'd be happy with Ings, Firmino and Sturridge.
Because Firmino will ultimately play in his role. I too don't see him taking Coutinho's position but rather complement it as part of front 3 or play him as a striker. Which effectively makes Sterling surplus to requirements. FSG are not going to let £40m+ sit on the bench or rot in the reserves. It is for me anyway, a Catch 22. You lose a player, teams know you need to sign a replacement. Premium added. You sign a player to effectively replace a player you know to want away, that helps erode the fee for the buying party when trying to determine a fee, unless you have two competing clubs with a real desire to sign that player. I would be really surprised if he ends up going for £50m.That would only be true if other clubs knew we had to sell in order to recoup some of this outlay. Which we don't.
Also, even though Firmino plays no 10, I don't think we'll use him there, I think we'll either put him on the right of a forward three, or as part of two up front. It makes no sense to buy a player of his quality only to have him compete with Coutinho, our other best player, for position.
Be good to press on and buy Bacca, but to be honest I won't be too disappointed if we don't. I'd be happy with Ings, Firmino and Sturridge.
We've already turned down a £40m+ bid. How stupid are FSG going to look if they go back to City and say that they'll now accept it.
They might now accept £45m, but I wouldn't be surprised, given their stance so far, if they held out for the full £50m. And I honestly do think they'd keep him if their valuation isn't met. We can still play him in the same team as Firmino - left side of a front three, RWB or LWB!
They might now accept £45m, but I wouldn't be surprised, given their stance so far, if they held out for the full £50m. And I honestly do think they'd keep him if their valuation isn't met. We can still play him in the same team as Firmino - left side of a front three, RWB or LWB!
sydneybridge said:
signing players before we have sold their replacement....
Signing a better (hopefully...) player than their replacement...
signing a player quickly and smoothly
I like this new style of buying.. different but better
Most of the players were signed early and pretty quickly last season too. Just this season we have replaced someone we need replacing quickly, unless the striker situation last year.Signing a better (hopefully...) player than their replacement...
signing a player quickly and smoothly
I like this new style of buying.. different but better
type-r said:
Because Firmino will ultimately play in his role. I too don't see him taking Coutinho's position but rather complement it as part of front 3 or play him as a striker. Which effectively makes Sterling surplus to requirements. FSG are not going to let £40m+ sit on the bench or rot in the reserves. It is for me anyway, a Catch 22. You lose a player, teams know you need to sign a replacement. Premium added. You sign a player to effectively replace a player you know to want away, that helps erode the fee for the buying party when trying to determine a fee, unless you have two competing clubs with a real desire to sign that player. I would be really surprised if he ends up going for £50m.
That's partly assuming a player on a big wage though. Since Sterling is on such a small wage (relatively!) there is no need to get rid of him quickly. It avoids him potentially improving the competition we will (hopefully) be competing against next season. If Sterling moved and played very well for them then us paying the £1.8M a year for his wage is worth it. Whatever else you can say about FSG they don't sell off our best talent to the competition cheaply.sydneybridge said:
signing players before we have sold their replacement....
Signing a better (hopefully...) player than their replacement...
signing a player quickly and smoothly
I like this new style of buying.. different but better
In all fairness this post could have been posted this time last year too.Signing a better (hopefully...) player than their replacement...
signing a player quickly and smoothly
I like this new style of buying.. different but better
I'm like nearly everyone else on here having not heard of him at all ..
Mr Rodgers obviously knows something that the rest of us don't . I suppose we'll know if it's Mr Rodgers signing or not come the outcome of his debut season.
DSLiverpool said:
Hmm a jigsaw with several pieces the same.
Firmino, who scored the winner for Brazil against Venezuela on Sunday, has been in the Bundesliga since 2011, scoring 35 goals in 140 appearances for Hoffenheim, playing a traditional number 10 style role.
You could change Firmino for Coutinho in the paragraph - they appear very similar.
I hope we sell either little Joe or Lala as both are not needed now, in fact I doubt Joe will get a game - maybe the cups?
Joe Allen will be gone mate. With the number of attacking midfielders we have we need 2 to sit back, tackle, distribute and control the tempo. I think these two positions will be filled by Can/Lucas and Milner/Henderson.Firmino, who scored the winner for Brazil against Venezuela on Sunday, has been in the Bundesliga since 2011, scoring 35 goals in 140 appearances for Hoffenheim, playing a traditional number 10 style role.
You could change Firmino for Coutinho in the paragraph - they appear very similar.
I hope we sell either little Joe or Lala as both are not needed now, in fact I doubt Joe will get a game - maybe the cups?
If we were to try a 433 I'd even be tempted to play Coutinho at the front of the midfield 3. Then in front of him we have a front 3 of Firmiho Sturridge and another striker.
Lallana is now a squad player and will have to force himself in to the team. Be interesting to see if he has what it takes to do this. He'll have to get in ahead of Coutinho and Firmino.
I agree with you though, far too many similar players or players that just don't fit. All a bit of a mess and I expect a clear out that starts this summer and is completed by the end of next season. Out for me are
Enrique, Lovren, Toure, Allen, Alberto, possibly Lallana, possibly Mario, Laser, Borini and Lambert.
Anyway, just got the headline prices for the new stand, ticket more or less the same as yours on the front row of the Main Stand. £7,000.
RedTrident said:
Anyway, just got the headline prices for the new stand, ticket more or less the same as yours on the front row of the Main Stand. £7,000.
What planet ? football is starting to make me sick, I think this may be my last season using one of my tickets, I will just lay it off season by season.Black can man said:
In all fairness this post could have been posted this time last year too.
I'm like nearly everyone else on here having not heard of him at all ..
Mr Rodgers obviously knows something that the rest of us don't . I suppose we'll know if it's Mr Rodgers signing or not come the outcome of his debut season.
I'd hope a manager getting paid millions of pounds a year knows a lot I don't! I'm like nearly everyone else on here having not heard of him at all ..
Mr Rodgers obviously knows something that the rest of us don't . I suppose we'll know if it's Mr Rodgers signing or not come the outcome of his debut season.
RedTrident said:
Joe Allen will be gone mate. With the number of attacking midfielders we have we need 2 to sit back, tackle, distribute and control the tempo. I think these two positions will be filled by Can/Lucas and Milner/Henderson.
If we were to try a 433 I'd even be tempted to play Coutinho at the front of the midfield 3. Then in front of him we have a front 3 of Firmiho Sturridge and another striker.
Lallana is now a squad player and will have to force himself in to the team. Be interesting to see if he has what it takes to do this. He'll have to get in ahead of Coutinho and Firmino.
I agree with you though, far too many similar players or players that just don't fit. All a bit of a mess and I expect a clear out that starts this summer and is completed by the end of next season. Out for me are
Enrique, Lovren, Toure, Allen, Alberto, possibly Lallana, possibly Mario, Laser, Borini and Lambert.
Anyway, just got the headline prices for the new stand, ticket more or less the same as yours on the front row of the Main Stand. £7,000.
Rightly or wrongly I expect Lucas to be sold in favour of keeping Allen - BR's golden boy and all that.If we were to try a 433 I'd even be tempted to play Coutinho at the front of the midfield 3. Then in front of him we have a front 3 of Firmiho Sturridge and another striker.
Lallana is now a squad player and will have to force himself in to the team. Be interesting to see if he has what it takes to do this. He'll have to get in ahead of Coutinho and Firmino.
I agree with you though, far too many similar players or players that just don't fit. All a bit of a mess and I expect a clear out that starts this summer and is completed by the end of next season. Out for me are
Enrique, Lovren, Toure, Allen, Alberto, possibly Lallana, possibly Mario, Laser, Borini and Lambert.
Anyway, just got the headline prices for the new stand, ticket more or less the same as yours on the front row of the Main Stand. £7,000.
Also, no way we'll get rid of Toure, he's only just signed a new contract. Might as well keep Lallana too, need half decent squad players. I'd like to see Markovic go out on loan, preferably to another Prem club or Championship team.
I'm really struggling not to get over excited about Firmino 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/football/video-11...
I'm not convinced we'll be buying another striker now, not with Ings and Firminos coming in, and Mario likely to stay.
If BR can't get a tune out of our squad for 2015-16 then he needs to go IMO.
In fact, I am most worried about the Manager rather than the Players, especially after the way we capitulated at the end of last season.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/football/video-11...
I'm not convinced we'll be buying another striker now, not with Ings and Firminos coming in, and Mario likely to stay.
If BR can't get a tune out of our squad for 2015-16 then he needs to go IMO.
In fact, I am most worried about the Manager rather than the Players, especially after the way we capitulated at the end of last season.
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