The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]
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Mothersruin said:
ORD said:
We do have a player who can beat his man and do something special- Rashford. But, in the England pecking order, he is behind someone who can barely run he is so knackered (Kane), a woefully inconsistent talent (Sturridge) and an excellent pub team player (Vardy) .
I genuinely believe that we would have won all 3 games if Rashford had played in them all. He is very well suited to teams sitting back and letting his side have the ball (because that is what he sees at Man U). England actually play quite a lot like Man U - lots of possession and f
k-all creativity except from the young lads.
LvG and Woy have lots in common.I genuinely believe that we would have won all 3 games if Rashford had played in them all. He is very well suited to teams sitting back and letting his side have the ball (because that is what he sees at Man U). England actually play quite a lot like Man U - lots of possession and f
k-all creativity except from the young lads.London424 said:
By far my favourite sports writer.Turquoise said:
London424 said:
By far my favourite sports writer.London424 said:
Don't disagree but who is the Eddie Jones of football that should have been chosen instead of Woy, and who was willing and available at the time? Serious questionGot to say that the draw doesn't look too bad. Italy Vs Spain eliminates one of two strong teams who then go on to face (likely) Germany which eliminates another strong team. An easier path is sometimes welcomed, but it's knockout time and beating a good team on the way to the final (a place we haven't been to for a very, very long time) will only serve to build confidence. Rather this way than easy matches and suddenly face a strong team who have been playing top level footie and are brimming with confidence.
I think we've got a reasonable chance. There, I said it.
I think we've got a reasonable chance. There, I said it.
mr sagman said:
Mothersruin said:
ORD said:
We do have a player who can beat his man and do something special- Rashford. But, in the England pecking order, he is behind someone who can barely run he is so knackered (Kane), a woefully inconsistent talent (Sturridge) and an excellent pub team player (Vardy) .
I genuinely believe that we would have won all 3 games if Rashford had played in them all. He is very well suited to teams sitting back and letting his side have the ball (because that is what he sees at Man U). England actually play quite a lot like Man U - lots of possession and fk-all creativity except from the young lads.
LvG and Woy have lots in common.I genuinely believe that we would have won all 3 games if Rashford had played in them all. He is very well suited to teams sitting back and letting his side have the ball (because that is what he sees at Man U). England actually play quite a lot like Man U - lots of possession and f
k-all creativity except from the young lads.I know everyone is supposed to love him (not sure why, he's a nasty piece of work as a person), but he is really not a very good footballer. He is a counter-attacking striker (and a very good one) in a possession team.
Nothing to add but seriously 
at the "we needed the Eddie Jones of football" comments. He's won a hat full of games against depleted team's going through transition periods (6 Nations). He's then beaten a pretty average, depleted Australian team who can't kick goals and judging by the second test - can't catch the ball. These feats have also been made easier by the fact that they have a number of player's who's morale is probably through the roof having been part of a club team that has won everything in Europe.
It's comparable to winning the SPL with the England Football team, beating Portugal (missing Ronaldo) twice away from home and then claiming your world beaters and the coach is a genius. To prove anything, Eddie Jones and England have to win the 6 Nations again this time around, remembering they have to travel to Cardiff and Dublin where both teams will be much, much stronger....
Also, them comments are ridiculously harsh on Lancaster, they are seriously deluded if they think that Eddie Jones has solely turned around the English Fortunes. I think it's more a case of players coming of age, having key players in the form of their lives and playing without expectation and the pressures that come with it - which is now changing incredibly quickly as the heading of the original article indicates
Back OT: I said the tournament had been a disaster for England, looking at how the route to the final is developing, I think I was right too. Chopping and changing the team at a tournament is mental. I would play the strongest XI every game and cross my fingers that no one gets injured. If someone gets injured, I expect the person coming in to be professional and prepared enough to hit the ground running. I don't really get this idea of "game time" or "match fitness", they are professional footballers at the end of a season, they should be warmed up and ready to go, it's not like they've been stuffing their faces in Dubai for four weeks in pre-season.
at the "we needed the Eddie Jones of football" comments. He's won a hat full of games against depleted team's going through transition periods (6 Nations). He's then beaten a pretty average, depleted Australian team who can't kick goals and judging by the second test - can't catch the ball. These feats have also been made easier by the fact that they have a number of player's who's morale is probably through the roof having been part of a club team that has won everything in Europe.It's comparable to winning the SPL with the England Football team, beating Portugal (missing Ronaldo) twice away from home and then claiming your world beaters and the coach is a genius. To prove anything, Eddie Jones and England have to win the 6 Nations again this time around, remembering they have to travel to Cardiff and Dublin where both teams will be much, much stronger....
Also, them comments are ridiculously harsh on Lancaster, they are seriously deluded if they think that Eddie Jones has solely turned around the English Fortunes. I think it's more a case of players coming of age, having key players in the form of their lives and playing without expectation and the pressures that come with it - which is now changing incredibly quickly as the heading of the original article indicates
Back OT: I said the tournament had been a disaster for England, looking at how the route to the final is developing, I think I was right too. Chopping and changing the team at a tournament is mental. I would play the strongest XI every game and cross my fingers that no one gets injured. If someone gets injured, I expect the person coming in to be professional and prepared enough to hit the ground running. I don't really get this idea of "game time" or "match fitness", they are professional footballers at the end of a season, they should be warmed up and ready to go, it's not like they've been stuffing their faces in Dubai for four weeks in pre-season.
There's so much rubbish above I'm not sure it's worth picking apart but I'll just mention a few points.
England hadn't won a 6 nations for 13 years, losing the crucial game a number of times in that period.
Oz reached the WC final, losing to an AB team containing some of the greatest players to ever play the game.
England have never won a series on Oz soil...ever.
If you don't think the manager has been an influence on this then I'm not sure what else to say.
England hadn't won a 6 nations for 13 years, losing the crucial game a number of times in that period.
Oz reached the WC final, losing to an AB team containing some of the greatest players to ever play the game.
England have never won a series on Oz soil...ever.
If you don't think the manager has been an influence on this then I'm not sure what else to say.
krunchkin said:
But my god watch the Germans in action compared to England. The control, the awareness, the lack of selfish play. They're playing a different game
The only consolation is that with the results/draw now, 2 out of Spain/Italy & Germany won't be in the semi's.
I wouldn't bet against it being a Germany-Croatia final now.
London424 said:
1.) England hadn't won a 6 nations for 13 years, losing the crucial game a number of times in that period.
2.) Oz reached the WC final, losing to an AB team containing some of the greatest players to ever play the game.
3.) If you don't think the manager has been an influence on this then I'm not sure what else to say.
1.) And that's purely the coaches fault? Nothing to do with not having a good enough team or the other countries being stronger?2.) Oz reached the WC final, losing to an AB team containing some of the greatest players to ever play the game.
3.) If you don't think the manager has been an influence on this then I'm not sure what else to say.
2.) What has that got to do with anything, seriously? Wales beat England at Twickenham, they've lost there twice since
3.) That's not what I said, I said "they are seriously deluded if they think that Eddie Jones has solely turned around the English Fortunes".
We'll see how the English Invincible's do in the 6N. Anyway, apologies for going off subject....
Tuvra said:
London424 said:
1.) England hadn't won a 6 nations for 13 years, losing the crucial game a number of times in that period.
2.) Oz reached the WC final, losing to an AB team containing some of the greatest players to ever play the game.
3.) If you don't think the manager has been an influence on this then I'm not sure what else to say.
1.) And that's purely the coaches fault? Nothing to do with not having a good enough team or the other countries being stronger?2.) Oz reached the WC final, losing to an AB team containing some of the greatest players to ever play the game.
3.) If you don't think the manager has been an influence on this then I'm not sure what else to say.
2.) What has that got to do with anything, seriously? Wales beat England at Twickenham, they've lost there twice since
3.) That's not what I said, I said "they are seriously deluded if they think that Eddie Jones has solely turned around the English Fortunes".
We'll see how the English Invincible's do in the 6N. Anyway, apologies for going off subject....
Teams often take on the attitude and demeanor of their coach. The margins at the elite level of sport are often pretty slim and small tweaks in how a manager/coach interacts and gets the best out of the team very often makes the difference.
Look at SAF. Winning was all that mattered. Coming second wasn't acceptable. Look at the squad he won the league with the year he retired.
Coaches/Managers do have a significant influence on how teams play. If you hire 'steady hands' type coaches don't expect to win things.
Roy has a 42.6% win rate as club manager. The average win rate of the top 6 manager's in last year's EPL is 50.2%.
Roy is very, very average. Why anyone employing him would expect after 900+ games, for him to deliver teams and performances that were in any way above average, has always been a mystery to me.
Roy is very, very average. Why anyone employing him would expect after 900+ games, for him to deliver teams and performances that were in any way above average, has always been a mystery to me.
Antony Moxey said:
^^ It's a rare talent to be able to write that many words and get nearly every one of them wrong.
You really should read more of his posts, Seems a nice guy but so biased and rose tinted towards Man U it is unreal.. Pretty much all other players except Man U one's are all pub players apparently. 
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