The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 2]
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mickk said:
But once the season starts again we'll get behind our teams and turn them into World beaters again. In 2 years time will be expecting to reach the semi finals again
If only we can have 8 foreign superstars on the pitch at any one time playing for us in an England game we'd be fine 
t.Is the person who appointed Hodgson still at the FA? If so, they need sacking aswell. While the league are appointing great young(ish), technically astute, forward looking managers such as Klopp, Pep, Poch, Conte etc , the FA appointed the dinosaur that is Hodgson. Even at the time we could all see it was a backward step and it would blow up in our faces.
Let's just go back to a committee picking the team like in the 50 - 60s. At least we won't suffer with a manager picking his favourites and playing everyone out of position to accommodate them.
The six changes for Slovakia never would have happened if there had been a room of sane voices to put Hodgson right.
The six changes for Slovakia never would have happened if there had been a room of sane voices to put Hodgson right.
No questions eh Woy? Here's some for you;
1.) Why did you keep trying to play a system that depended on wingers and then not take any on the bus?
2.) Why did you take one player who has played 45 minutes for his club all season and is clearly not match fit?
3.) Why was one of natural goal poachers taking all the corners and free kicks, when he has spent most of the season in the box scoring goals?
4.) How could you not tailor the team properly so you could start the leading English player in the Premier League this season, one whose passion for the game burns brightly?
5.) Why would you start a player who everyone in the western world could see was having a massive crisis of confidence, which wasn't going to be helped playing from the start in a game of this importance?
6.) Why did you clearly put out your B team against Slovakia? Was it because you believed that we would walk past them and that belief was carried forward into last nights game?
7.) Could you not see that the Spurs players were knackered, both physically and mentally when they turned up for pre-tournament training, having clearly been through the mill at the end of the season and then tailored their preparation for the tournament accordingly?
8.) With all this talk of you having favourites, how could you not have taken one player who has scored in nearly every England game he's played in when you've picked him regularly (despite not having first team football for his club.)? The same player who nearly saved his new club single-handily and would have given us the width we might have needed?
9.) That resignation speech seemed suspiciously well rehearsed, Woy. Had the decision already been made?
And finally, the question that I have been banging on about for years..
10.) Were you or any other previous England manager told by the FA to either play or at least take on the bus, certain players because of their links to the advertising campaigns of England sponsors, despite their lack of fitness or their inability to play in the system that you as manager wanted to play?
I have been banging on about this for years and to me, when you see the decisions that the England managers have made over the last 20 years, it is something that needs serious investigation.
Oh and Stirling? Two words. Jason Lee.
1.) Why did you keep trying to play a system that depended on wingers and then not take any on the bus?
2.) Why did you take one player who has played 45 minutes for his club all season and is clearly not match fit?
3.) Why was one of natural goal poachers taking all the corners and free kicks, when he has spent most of the season in the box scoring goals?
4.) How could you not tailor the team properly so you could start the leading English player in the Premier League this season, one whose passion for the game burns brightly?
5.) Why would you start a player who everyone in the western world could see was having a massive crisis of confidence, which wasn't going to be helped playing from the start in a game of this importance?
6.) Why did you clearly put out your B team against Slovakia? Was it because you believed that we would walk past them and that belief was carried forward into last nights game?
7.) Could you not see that the Spurs players were knackered, both physically and mentally when they turned up for pre-tournament training, having clearly been through the mill at the end of the season and then tailored their preparation for the tournament accordingly?
8.) With all this talk of you having favourites, how could you not have taken one player who has scored in nearly every England game he's played in when you've picked him regularly (despite not having first team football for his club.)? The same player who nearly saved his new club single-handily and would have given us the width we might have needed?
9.) That resignation speech seemed suspiciously well rehearsed, Woy. Had the decision already been made?
And finally, the question that I have been banging on about for years..
10.) Were you or any other previous England manager told by the FA to either play or at least take on the bus, certain players because of their links to the advertising campaigns of England sponsors, despite their lack of fitness or their inability to play in the system that you as manager wanted to play?
I have been banging on about this for years and to me, when you see the decisions that the England managers have made over the last 20 years, it is something that needs serious investigation.
Oh and Stirling? Two words. Jason Lee.
Thankyou4calling said:
Tuvra said:
I agree and was surprised by this attitude. The English media/pundits are not helping the situation "Ohh it's fine, we got all the possession, all the territory, we are playing well, just not taking our chances....", Ian Wright talks as if England have a right to qualify as they are so good and when needs be they will flick a switch and the goals will come pouring in, truth of the matter is, its now knock out football and England are not producing whats needed in major tournaments - results.
England drew with the worst Russian team I have ever seen and probably the worst team in the tournament, beat Wales (just about) when Wales didn't really show up and then couldn't score against a toothless Slovakia who successfully parked the bus. The tournament has been a disaster for England and yet the aforementioned pundits and media are still talking as if everything is fine and England are cruising. In truth, they probably are just going through the motions, and that's the problem.....
Personally I think the "we'll cruise until we reach the big boys" attitude is going to bite you English in the backside
I don't the tournament has been a disaster for England.England drew with the worst Russian team I have ever seen and probably the worst team in the tournament, beat Wales (just about) when Wales didn't really show up and then couldn't score against a toothless Slovakia who successfully parked the bus. The tournament has been a disaster for England and yet the aforementioned pundits and media are still talking as if everything is fine and England are cruising. In truth, they probably are just going through the motions, and that's the problem.....
Personally I think the "we'll cruise until we reach the big boys" attitude is going to bite you English in the backside
They are through to the knockout section and from there it's game on.
I've not seen a team that we need to fear, far from it.
Fully accept that we have not shone but one goal will decide the knockout games on the whole.
One of my main fears though is that we look like an accident waiting to happen with Hart in goal, that could cost us.
zygalski said:
mickk said:
But once the season starts again we'll get behind our teams and turn them into World beaters again. In 2 years time will be expecting to reach the semi finals again
If only we can have 8 foreign superstars on the pitch at any one time playing for us in an England game we'd be fine Challo said:
zygalski said:
mickk said:
But once the season starts again we'll get behind our teams and turn them into World beaters again. In 2 years time will be expecting to reach the semi finals again
If only we can have 8 foreign superstars on the pitch at any one time playing for us in an England game we'd be fine SWoll said:
Challo said:
zygalski said:
mickk said:
But once the season starts again we'll get behind our teams and turn them into World beaters again. In 2 years time will be expecting to reach the semi finals again
If only we can have 8 foreign superstars on the pitch at any one time playing for us in an England game we'd be fine Looking at their squad there are 14 out of 39 players who are English. Most of the 14 were on the subs bench or not even picked for most games.
amare32 said:
The only players worth keeping for the next major tournament is Rashford and Dyer. Everyone else should be sent straight to the abattoir. Past their sell by date especially Shrek 
Whilst I agree Rooney should hang up his boots at international level I think it's ridiculous to suggest the rest should be scrapped. Kane, Ali, Vardy, Lallana, Sturridge, Smalling, Walker, Rose are all good players but you can't expect them to perform without any plan, tactics or system in place. I'm not for a second suggesting they are world class but we need to find a way of getting performances out of them as they are the best we've got. Trabi601 said:
Rashford is the only one to come home, reputation intact.
I think it just shows that the Premier League isn't as good as we often think it is.
I don't think Vardy did much wrong. His style works when the systems suits his style, we just didn't play to his or our strengths. I think it just shows that the Premier League isn't as good as we often think it is.
Rooney and Hart should be finished. Walker doesn't seem to know how to defend at that level. Sterling is out of his depth.
I thought Rashford when he played looked talented, but ultimately gave the ball away more often than not and didn't have any real end product. Exactly what you'd expect of a young talented kid with no real experience. Which is why he shouldn't have been in the squad in the first place. One for the future, but showed he isn't the answer now.
I missed all of the build-up and sat down bang on kick off, was very surprised to see Sterling, Kane and Wilshere on the pitch. A little surprised that Clyne didn't play too.
Then I remembered it was Roy. Funny thing is, the media is going on about it being the worst defeat in our history, but I wasn't even surprised when they scored and scored again.
I missed all of the build-up and sat down bang on kick off, was very surprised to see Sterling, Kane and Wilshere on the pitch. A little surprised that Clyne didn't play too.
Then I remembered it was Roy. Funny thing is, the media is going on about it being the worst defeat in our history, but I wasn't even surprised when they scored and scored again.
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