Discussion
Any thoughts on what can be done to strengthen our defence and midfield with the options available to Nuno?
Once Boly is back.
Play a back three of Boly, Omobamidele and Niakate.
Wing backs as normal
Push Murillo into the CDM replacing Yates supporting MGW and Dominguez.
Nuno obviously sees the defensive issues we are having, so surely is going to have to try something different.
Once Boly is back.
Play a back three of Boly, Omobamidele and Niakate.
Wing backs as normal
Push Murillo into the CDM replacing Yates supporting MGW and Dominguez.
Nuno obviously sees the defensive issues we are having, so surely is going to have to try something different.
One thing I spotted was the amount of times Niakhaté turned back inside rather than pass to Williams, especially when he was coming under pressure. This can only be because he favours his left foot.
I don’t know whether any manager is wedded to having a right and a left footed centre back these days, plenty have had two right footed defenders. But now all players are expected to play the ball comfortably it’s noticeable if there’s a gap.
After Felipe joined in Jan he was a definite starter for me. So when fully fit I’d probably go for Felipe and Murillo which is coincidentally a good blend of youth and experience as well as being a right footed and a left footed player.
At the moment you can’t really drop Murillo but I think he will need to be rested at times. Omabamadele looks good but is also inexperienced. He and Murillo have played well together but that’s a pairing that’s been forced on us rather than developed. Maybe that’s the pairing further down the line.
The mistakes haven’t always been the defenders though.
CHO let his man go in a recent game which meant he had a running jump against a standing Murillo who was out jumped. Not Murillo’s fault.
On Saturday first goal, well worked corner as analysed in detail by MOTD. And when Newcastle use those highly dubious blocking tactics can you really say it’s an error? I don’t know.
One of Arsenal’s goals came from what should’ve been a Forest free kick so you could argue the players switched off. Arsenal took a quick throw and scored. I think Turner was unlucky rather than made a mistake. If the ref had made the correct decision then we wouldn’t be discussing the goal.
To be honest I’d have to look at every goal and see the cause. On Saturday I wouldn’t say defensive errors stood out as factors. Newcastle are good going forward, no question. They’re also awful at the back, Burn especially. The 4-4 home draw with Luton. The 3-0 loss to us cases in point. The referee certainly helped them cover their mistakes on Saturday though. Burn wrestled Taiwo down several times and nothing was given.
I don’t know whether any manager is wedded to having a right and a left footed centre back these days, plenty have had two right footed defenders. But now all players are expected to play the ball comfortably it’s noticeable if there’s a gap.
After Felipe joined in Jan he was a definite starter for me. So when fully fit I’d probably go for Felipe and Murillo which is coincidentally a good blend of youth and experience as well as being a right footed and a left footed player.
At the moment you can’t really drop Murillo but I think he will need to be rested at times. Omabamadele looks good but is also inexperienced. He and Murillo have played well together but that’s a pairing that’s been forced on us rather than developed. Maybe that’s the pairing further down the line.
The mistakes haven’t always been the defenders though.
CHO let his man go in a recent game which meant he had a running jump against a standing Murillo who was out jumped. Not Murillo’s fault.
On Saturday first goal, well worked corner as analysed in detail by MOTD. And when Newcastle use those highly dubious blocking tactics can you really say it’s an error? I don’t know.
One of Arsenal’s goals came from what should’ve been a Forest free kick so you could argue the players switched off. Arsenal took a quick throw and scored. I think Turner was unlucky rather than made a mistake. If the ref had made the correct decision then we wouldn’t be discussing the goal.
To be honest I’d have to look at every goal and see the cause. On Saturday I wouldn’t say defensive errors stood out as factors. Newcastle are good going forward, no question. They’re also awful at the back, Burn especially. The 4-4 home draw with Luton. The 3-0 loss to us cases in point. The referee certainly helped them cover their mistakes on Saturday though. Burn wrestled Taiwo down several times and nothing was given.
Hackney said:
One thing I spotted was the amount of times Niakhaté turned back inside rather than pass to Williams, especially when he was coming under pressure. This can only be because he favours his left foot.
I don’t know whether any manager is wedded to having a right and a left footed centre back these days, plenty have had two right footed defenders. But now all players are expected to play the ball comfortably it’s noticeable if there’s a gap.
After Felipe joined in Jan he was a definite starter for me. So when fully fit I’d probably go for Felipe and Murillo which is coincidentally a good blend of youth and experience as well as being a right footed and a left footed player.
At the moment you can’t really drop Murillo but I think he will need to be rested at times. Omabamadele looks good but is also inexperienced. He and Murillo have played well together but that’s a pairing that’s been forced on us rather than developed. Maybe that’s the pairing further down the line.
The mistakes haven’t always been the defenders though.
CHO let his man go in a recent game which meant he had a running jump against a standing Murillo who was out jumped. Not Murillo’s fault.
On Saturday first goal, well worked corner as analysed in detail by MOTD. And when Newcastle use those highly dubious blocking tactics can you really say it’s an error? I don’t know.
One of Arsenal’s goals came from what should’ve been a Forest free kick so you could argue the players switched off. Arsenal took a quick throw and scored. I think Turner was unlucky rather than made a mistake. If the ref had made the correct decision then we wouldn’t be discussing the goal.
To be honest I’d have to look at every goal and see the cause. On Saturday I wouldn’t say defensive errors stood out as factors. Newcastle are good going forward, no question. They’re also awful at the back, Burn especially. The 4-4 home draw with Luton. The 3-0 loss to us cases in point. The referee certainly helped them cover their mistakes on Saturday though. Burn wrestled Taiwo down several times and nothing was given.
Still feel he has to bring Boly back in to give the defence more solidity.I don’t know whether any manager is wedded to having a right and a left footed centre back these days, plenty have had two right footed defenders. But now all players are expected to play the ball comfortably it’s noticeable if there’s a gap.
After Felipe joined in Jan he was a definite starter for me. So when fully fit I’d probably go for Felipe and Murillo which is coincidentally a good blend of youth and experience as well as being a right footed and a left footed player.
At the moment you can’t really drop Murillo but I think he will need to be rested at times. Omabamadele looks good but is also inexperienced. He and Murillo have played well together but that’s a pairing that’s been forced on us rather than developed. Maybe that’s the pairing further down the line.
The mistakes haven’t always been the defenders though.
CHO let his man go in a recent game which meant he had a running jump against a standing Murillo who was out jumped. Not Murillo’s fault.
On Saturday first goal, well worked corner as analysed in detail by MOTD. And when Newcastle use those highly dubious blocking tactics can you really say it’s an error? I don’t know.
One of Arsenal’s goals came from what should’ve been a Forest free kick so you could argue the players switched off. Arsenal took a quick throw and scored. I think Turner was unlucky rather than made a mistake. If the ref had made the correct decision then we wouldn’t be discussing the goal.
To be honest I’d have to look at every goal and see the cause. On Saturday I wouldn’t say defensive errors stood out as factors. Newcastle are good going forward, no question. They’re also awful at the back, Burn especially. The 4-4 home draw with Luton. The 3-0 loss to us cases in point. The referee certainly helped them cover their mistakes on Saturday though. Burn wrestled Taiwo down several times and nothing was given.
Toffolo at left back as he is a better defender than Tavares, but then we loose the pace on the left a bit. Maybe Aina on the right instead of Neco?
Sangare in for Yates.
Just watched MOTD, thought we looked really good and apart from Felipe's first half error much tighter at the back.
Could easily have had another couple of goals and how Neco's penalty wasn't given I will never know.
There does seem a significant improvement since Nuno took over from Coops.
Could easily have had another couple of goals and how Neco's penalty wasn't given I will never know.
There does seem a significant improvement since Nuno took over from Coops.
JurassicGTS said:
Just watched MOTD, thought we looked really good and apart from Felipe's first half error much tighter at the back.
Could easily have had another couple of goals and how Neco's penalty wasn't given I will never know.
There does seem a significant improvement since Nuno took over from Coops.
Agreed - the team seem more settled, we aren't changing five players and formation every week. Could easily have had another couple of goals and how Neco's penalty wasn't given I will never know.
There does seem a significant improvement since Nuno took over from Coops.
MGW, Awoniyi, Elanga and CHO is a strong forward line, they are firing about 50% right now, I really think there is more to come. In Origi and Wood we have some back up - I think Origi needs more game time.
I thought Danilo was immense on Saturday, so good at being in the right position and plays forward quickly.
Gargamel said:
Agreed - the team seem more settled, we aren't changing five players and formation every week.
MGW, Awoniyi, Elanga and CHO is a strong forward line, they are firing about 50% right now, I really think there is more to come. In Origi and Wood we have some back up - I think Origi needs more game time.
I thought Danilo was immense on Saturday, so good at being in the right position and plays forward quickly.
Origi's flick to Neco on Saturday was sublime. MGW, Awoniyi, Elanga and CHO is a strong forward line, they are firing about 50% right now, I really think there is more to come. In Origi and Wood we have some back up - I think Origi needs more game time.
I thought Danilo was immense on Saturday, so good at being in the right position and plays forward quickly.
The G Kid said:
JurassicGTS said:
Not sure what the best result would be for us tonight probably a draw or an Everton win 
It's a tricky one, as could argue the merits of all 3 results. I get that Palace would be dragged in (*)
But you've got to deal with the very real prospect of a big points deduction and Everton getting some points back and either facing NFA, or a lesser punishment (due to 2 of the 3 years already been punished for, and positive cash flow re FFP in the last year- I really don't see how we get punished for that)
(*) which takes Palace out of your equation regardless (IMO)
And to add, I have massive sympathy for your plight re FFP. You hardly had a team when you came up, OFC you were going to buy some players. And that rule about promoted teams being able to lose less seems deeply unfair. I believe the new implementation of the rules set to come in this summer is that "small" clubs can spend a greater, not lesser, percentage of revenue. Which still means less overall due to the vast sums generated by the champions League etc etc
johnboy1975 said:
Surely an Everton win would have been terrible for you? It's a 3 way fight with Everton, You and Luton.
I get that Palace would be dragged in (*)
But you've got to deal with the very real prospect of a big points deduction and Everton getting some points back and either facing NFA, or a lesser punishment (due to 2 of the 3 years already been punished for, and positive cash flow re FFP in the last year- I really don't see how we get punished for that)
(*) which takes Palace out of your equation regardless (IMO)
And to add, I have massive sympathy for your plight re FFP. You hardly had a team when you came up, OFC you were going to buy some players. And that rule about promoted teams being able to lose less seems deeply unfair. I believe the new implementation of the rules set to come in this summer is that "small" clubs can spend a greater, not lesser, percentage of revenue. Which still means less overall due to the vast sums generated by the champions League etc etc
And to add, I have massive sympathy for your plight re FFP. You hardly had a team when you came up, OFC you were going to buy some players. And that rule about promoted teams being able to lose less seems deeply unfair. I believe the new implementation of the rules set to come in this summer is that "small" clubs can spend a greater, not lesser, percentage of revenue. Which still means less overall due to the vast sums generated by the champions League etc etcI get that Palace would be dragged in (*)
But you've got to deal with the very real prospect of a big points deduction and Everton getting some points back and either facing NFA, or a lesser punishment (due to 2 of the 3 years already been punished for, and positive cash flow re FFP in the last year- I really don't see how we get punished for that)
(*) which takes Palace out of your equation regardless (IMO)
And to add, I have massive sympathy for your plight re FFP. You hardly had a team when you came up, OFC you were going to buy some players. And that rule about promoted teams being able to lose less seems deeply unfair. I believe the new implementation of the rules set to come in this summer is that "small" clubs can spend a greater, not lesser, percentage of revenue. Which still means less overall due to the vast sums generated by the champions League etc etc
johnboy1975 said:
Surely an Everton win would have been terrible for you? It's a 3 way fight with Everton, You and Luton.
I get that Palace would be dragged in (*)
But you've got to deal with the very real prospect of a big points deduction and Everton getting some points back and either facing NFA, or a lesser punishment (due to 2 of the 3 years already been punished for, and positive cash flow re FFP in the last year- I really don't see how we get punished for that)
(*) which takes Palace out of your equation regardless (IMO)
And to add, I have massive sympathy for your plight re FFP. You hardly had a team when you came up, OFC you were going to buy some players. And that rule about promoted teams being able to lose less seems deeply unfair. I believe the new implementation of the rules set to come in this summer is that "small" clubs can spend a greater, not lesser, percentage of revenue. Which still means less overall due to the vast sums generated by the champions League etc etc
It's a tricky one. If Everton get points back then I think our punishment will be less severe than 10 points, and perhaps Everton's second punishment will also be less severe. But who really can be confident of any outcome??? My feeling is that once the dust has settled we will have a similar points deduction each, or Everton's will be slightly worse. I get that Palace would be dragged in (*)
But you've got to deal with the very real prospect of a big points deduction and Everton getting some points back and either facing NFA, or a lesser punishment (due to 2 of the 3 years already been punished for, and positive cash flow re FFP in the last year- I really don't see how we get punished for that)
(*) which takes Palace out of your equation regardless (IMO)
And to add, I have massive sympathy for your plight re FFP. You hardly had a team when you came up, OFC you were going to buy some players. And that rule about promoted teams being able to lose less seems deeply unfair. I believe the new implementation of the rules set to come in this summer is that "small" clubs can spend a greater, not lesser, percentage of revenue. Which still means less overall due to the vast sums generated by the champions League etc etc
I think it's a fight between Everton, Luton, Forest, Palace and Brentford for the final relegation place.
The G Kid said:
It's a tricky one. If Everton get points back then I think our punishment will be less severe than 10 points, and perhaps Everton's second punishment will also be less severe. But who really can be confident of any outcome??? My feeling is that once the dust has settled we will have a similar points deduction each, or Everton's will be slightly worse.
I think it's a fight between Everton, Luton, Forest, Palace and Brentford for the final relegation place.
In the end they (the PL) are going to be under enormous legal pressure from any club they try to dock points for in this season. They have already said the rules are changing in the summer, so of course all the inconsistencies will be open to challenge. I think it's a fight between Everton, Luton, Forest, Palace and Brentford for the final relegation place.
I stand by my previous comments, we will get a fine, potentially Everton will also only get a fine now too.
Gargamel said:
In the end they (the PL) are going to be under enormous legal pressure from any club they try to dock points for in this season.
It almost unimaginable that the season will end on the pitch but the relegated teams won't be confirmed due to pending appeals. Therefore it would seem that not docking points would make sense. However....isn't the punishment decided independently of the PL? Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff