The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 9]
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revrange said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/li...
Excellent from Chris Bascombe. Let RT have e his way,he will be repeating himself again in 2018.
Changing the manager will not resolve the problems, its the transfers stupid.
That is probably the most sensible football article I have ever read. Excellent from Chris Bascombe. Let RT have e his way,he will be repeating himself again in 2018.
Changing the manager will not resolve the problems, its the transfers stupid.
Ignoring the rampant hysteria on here & around the media, generally Rogers has taken us forward, our attacking football last season was worldwide news. We have much the same team in reality, but we need to find a quality striker or that fits our system...
Cie said:
I think the talk of Klopp is a bit ambitious, I just can't see it. Who knows.
Where do you see him going? rumours I am hearing are Real want Zidane in charge, city want Carlo - I think the prem and Klopp are made for each other and I dont see any top 4 club replacing their manager .RedTrident said:
Nothing to do with a sense of humour. The outcry when I described him as Big Watch Bodge. That was a sense of humour!
The man's a fraud and I have little sympathy for those who just keep on blindly backing him.
No. The outcry happens when you call someone the same stupid thing for the thousandth time and other posters' patience runs out - or you roundly accuse everyone else who doesn't agree with your negative opinion of 'blindly' backing or following... It's not representative of a sense of humour; it's just fThe man's a fraud and I have little sympathy for those who just keep on blindly backing him.
king boring.No one on here ever thought BR was the messiah and, even when we were winning, I'm sure most thought he was far from perfect, had serious shortcomings in some areas or just found him to be plain irritating when he spoke to the media. In short, no one is blind. And because of that no one, apart from you, called ad nauseum for him to be sacked. There were even posts recently (sorry, guys, can't remember from whom) who along the lines of 'having given BR the benefit of the doubt, but after (insert game) he's lost me now'. That's a reasoned approach and doesn't mean they were blind before.
Still, you know all of this. It's been said by others before. And still you carry on doing it. If you're doing it just to deliberately piss people off then, well done, it's working. As to why you do it or what pleasure you get from doing it, we will never understand.
"Brendan Rodgers' season at Liverpool is a failure"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32515766
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32515766
BBC said:
Their specialist strikers (Daniel Sturridge, Mario Balotelli, Rickie Lambert and Fabio Borini) have scored eight Premier League goals between them this season. Everton's back four (Leighton Baines, Seamus Coleman, Phil Jagielka and John Stones) have scored nine
Ouch!type-r said:
Dan_1981 said:
How many truly world class players have we had recently?
Gerrard
Torres
Suarez
Reina
Alonso
Carra(?)
Mascherano? Hyypia but maybe not that recent.Gerrard
Torres
Suarez
Reina
Alonso
Carra(?)
Turning potential into world class is one thing going out and buying players already generally judged to be world class is something different.
type-r said:
Your post is very reasoned and has a lot of the emotion removed, so is very rational and I agree with all of it. The normal distribution point around quality whilst in theory is correct - I just think the odds are better than bringing in constant potential. I have always said potential must be supplemented with quality - the difficulty is finding that fine balance. The framework is there with the team; with 3 highly experienced players will be leaving in Johnson, Gerrard and Toure, they must be replaced with players with experience and proven quality.
I think we have done well this year, [u]IF[/u] you look at it as a building year. Even if you don't look at it that way it's a pretty normal year anyway. Look at the bigger depth to our squad now (at least in regards to potential) and the age of them. We have a lot of people who could be very good players, and a very young squad. So if we give them a bit more time, and change our strategy from buying potential to buying a few good players we could do very well next season I think. A few new good players to give experience, get some goals and pull up the performance of players around and we could be up there. Some of the young players will fail, but we have a lot of options and time for them too since they are so young.Edited by type-r on Wednesday 29th April 09:37
If you look at the experienced players leaving they've not actually that good. Gerrard was, but isn't there now. The main thing he would be good for now is his experience and passion, not so much the actual football. Johnston has been not great for a while, and most people on here wouldn't want him in the squad anyway. Toure hasn't played much anyway. So if we can replace them with a good striker and strong midfielder (perhaps defender) they will do a lot of good for the team.
As RT says, it was Suarez who took the squad to second, so if you get another decent player (or two) we're going to do well I think,
However the main question I would have next year assuming we get those needed good experienced strikers is the motivation from BR - the team do seem to have flopped a bit in the few big games, but then again how much has been a mix of injuries and having to rotate things a lot? The second point is the strange squad selection sometimes from him too, but is some of that experiments for next year to see where players do best, knowing it was going to be a poor year?
SydneyBridge said:
Cie said:
This is even better Keyser:
Liverpool's specialist strikers (Daniel Sturridge, Mario Balotelli, Rickie Lambert and Fabio Borini) have scored eight Premier League goals between them this season. Everton's back four (Leighton Baines, Seamus Coleman, Phil Jagielka and John Stones) have scored nine.
with those stats, its a wonder how we are in 5th place- they are relegation stats...Liverpool's specialist strikers (Daniel Sturridge, Mario Balotelli, Rickie Lambert and Fabio Borini) have scored eight Premier League goals between them this season. Everton's back four (Leighton Baines, Seamus Coleman, Phil Jagielka and John Stones) have scored nine.
I don't think BR is in danger of losing his job even if we lose all the last games- this time next season I think he will be
type-r said:
I agree it is not just about bringing in purely world class stars - I have always said you have to complement it with potential and also academy players. Just need to find the ideal balance. I think we have plenty of academy players knocking on the door (Wisdom, Ibe, Flannagan, Texeria) and potentials (Can, Illori, Origi, Sterling, Markovic). Time to bring in some proven quality and experience to support these guys, especially as Gerrard, Toure and Johnson are about to leave. Personally, we need a new spine. A decent keeper to challenge Mignolet, a good central defender, a good midfield general and a quality striker or TWO to complement Sturridge.
I would say we actually need to look for a number 1 striker, Sturridge simply cannot be relied upon. We have too much 'potential' now and need to spend on 3 or 4 quality experienced players.We arguably lost our entire front three from last season.
Suarez was sold, Sturridge has only played a handful of times and Sterling has had his head up his arse all season.
Add to that the fact that we brought in so many new faces at once which we know doesn't work (after seeing Spurs try it) I'm amazed we are even in the European places.
Suarez was sold, Sturridge has only played a handful of times and Sterling has had his head up his arse all season.
Add to that the fact that we brought in so many new faces at once which we know doesn't work (after seeing Spurs try it) I'm amazed we are even in the European places.
The manager manages, if he leaves himself with one sick note striker and 3 numptys its the managers fault end of and no excuses cut it.
He failed to spend our cash in a productive manner and failed to instil any confidence in the team in the final crucial games of the season.
He failed to manage his boss and co workers, he failed to convince them that what they were doing was nuts.
Imagine as an IT guy the finance guy says you can have Sinclair spectrums to run the company database and you meekly agree knowing it will fail spectacularly.
Would Jose or Arsen or even the Spurs bloke put up with it ? doubt it.
He failed to spend our cash in a productive manner and failed to instil any confidence in the team in the final crucial games of the season.
He failed to manage his boss and co workers, he failed to convince them that what they were doing was nuts.
Imagine as an IT guy the finance guy says you can have Sinclair spectrums to run the company database and you meekly agree knowing it will fail spectacularly.
Would Jose or Arsen or even the Spurs bloke put up with it ? doubt it.
DaveR said:
RedTrident said:
Nothing to do with a sense of humour. The outcry when I described him as Big Watch Bodge. That was a sense of humour!
The man's a fraud and I have little sympathy for those who just keep on blindly backing him.
No. The outcry happens when you call someone the same stupid thing for the thousandth time and other posters' patience runs out - or you roundly accuse everyone else who doesn't agree with your negative opinion of 'blindly' backing or following... It's not representative of a sense of humour; it's just fThe man's a fraud and I have little sympathy for those who just keep on blindly backing him.
king boring.No one on here ever thought BR was the messiah and, even when we were winning, I'm sure most thought he was far from perfect, had serious shortcomings in some areas or just found him to be plain irritating when he spoke to the media. In short, no one is blind. And because of that no one, apart from you, called ad nauseum for him to be sacked. There were even posts recently (sorry, guys, can't remember from whom) who along the lines of 'having given BR the benefit of the doubt, but after (insert game) he's lost me now'. That's a reasoned approach and doesn't mean they were blind before.
Still, you know all of this. It's been said by others before. And still you carry on doing it. If you're doing it just to deliberately piss people off then, well done, it's working. As to why you do it or what pleasure you get from doing it, we will never understand.
You get the message. I'm sure Big Watch Bodge will be gone soon and you'll see me stop. Never have I despised a manager in charge of Liverpool as this deluded fool. Tactical genius is what he describes himself as.
DSLiverpool said:
The manager manages, if he leaves himself with one sick note striker and 3 numptys its the managers fault end of and no excuses cut it.
He failed to spend our cash in a productive manner and failed to instil any confidence in the team in the final crucial games of the season.
He failed to manage his boss and co workers, he failed to convince them that what they were doing was nuts.
Imagine as an IT guy the finance guy says you can have Sinclair spectrums to run the company database and you meekly agree knowing it will fail spectacularly.
Would Jose or Arsen or even the Spurs bloke put up with it ? doubt it.
You do realise there is only so much you can do if your boss tells you "you can only get this"? Newcastle are a prime example of this, if the boss with the money says no there isn't much you can do, no matter how many times you change the manager. Now I don't FSG are exactly the same, but I do suspect they will set out quite strict rules (witness the moneyball strategy). I don't think they are aiming to try and challange Chelsea, Man City on the money spending route, and so they won't expect us to be challenging for the top place each year. But if they say you can only spend "x" on a player and you should get young potential to develop and sell at profit the manager has to do that or will go (check Jose at Chelsea first time round).He failed to spend our cash in a productive manner and failed to instil any confidence in the team in the final crucial games of the season.
He failed to manage his boss and co workers, he failed to convince them that what they were doing was nuts.
Imagine as an IT guy the finance guy says you can have Sinclair spectrums to run the company database and you meekly agree knowing it will fail spectacularly.
Would Jose or Arsen or even the Spurs bloke put up with it ? doubt it.
Put it this way, would you walk out of his job if it was you after last season?
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