Orion Launch Today

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Eric Mc

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266 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Kateg28 said:
I wasn't that bothered about space flight until I went to Florida in the Summer and we went to KSC. It was awesome. We attended an astronaut training experience and actually did a shuttle mission simulation and I was the Public Address Officer (they liked my British accent) in Mission Control. I now feel I could phone up and help with this mission.
Me first.

I've been a space nut since before Apollo. I find then whole thing fascinating and have loved every minute of the 50 odd years I've been following NASA's space adventure.

RizzoTheRat

25,247 posts

193 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Nice dive from a Pelican off the left there, most interesting thing happened for the last few minutes.

MrCarPark

528 posts

142 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Eric Mc said:
I was just thinking how reliable the Saturn family was. I can't remember a single Apollo flight of any sort being delayed seriously because of holds such as this.
I was wondering what Gene Krantz must be making of it smile

rhysenna

689 posts

187 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Sorry for all the questions but has NASA got a rocket that can take Orion into outer space?

RizzoTheRat

25,247 posts

193 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Currently this is the biggest launcher, but they're working on a bigger one as part of the Orion programme

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System

jmorgan

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285 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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rhysenna said:
Sorry for all the questions but has NASA got a rocket that can take Orion into outer space?
They lost that when they stopped Saturn. Politics.

monamimate

838 posts

143 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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35 mins left... not looking good frown

LordGrover

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213 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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UAV looks neat.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 4th December 2014
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rhysenna said:
Sorry for all the questions but has NASA got a rocket that can take Orion into outer space?
This one smile

Only joking.

The sensible answer is "not yet". The Delta IV Heavy is not powerful enough (nor is it "man rated") to allow it to carry a fully kitted out and manned Orion Command Module and definitive Service Module combination.
The rocket that is being designed to do this is called the "Space Launch System" or SLS. The SLS will be built in a number of versions, one of which will be even more powerful than the Saturn V. The SLS is built from components developed for the Space Shuttle.

It has FOUR Shuttle Main Engine Derivatives (SMEs) and two Solid Rocket Boosters similar to the Shuttle's but consisting of five segments rather than the Shuttle booster's three.



Eric Mc

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Thursday 4th December 2014
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MrCarPark said:
Eric Mc said:
I was just thinking how reliable the Saturn family was. I can't remember a single Apollo flight of any sort being delayed seriously because of holds such as this.
I was wondering what Gene Krantz must be making of it smile
The Saturn wasn't really Kranz's department.

I was thinking of people like Von Braun and his team who are probably looking down and saying "I told you zat ve vere better off with ze kerosene".

MrRee145

158 posts

164 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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What are the odds on a no-go for today?

rhysenna

689 posts

187 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Eric Mc said:
rhysenna said:
Sorry for all the questions but has NASA got a rocket that can take Orion into outer space?
This one smile

Only joking.

The sensible answer is "not yet". The Delta IV Heavy is not powerful enough (nor is it "man rated") to allow it to carry a fully kitted out and manned Orion Command Module and definitive Service Module combination.
The rocket that is being designed to do this is called the "Space Launch System" or SLS. The SLS will be built in a number of versions, one of which will be even more powerful than the Saturn V. The SLS is built from components developed for the Space Shuttle.

It has FOUR Shuttle Main Engine Derivatives (SMEs) and two Solid Rocket Boosters similar to the Shuttle's but consisting of five segments rather than the Shuttle booster's three.

More powerful than Saturn V! What sort of thrust are we talking about ?

MartG

20,719 posts

205 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Not looking good - sounds like the valves are still frozen and they are going to try and jar them loose by pumping more fuel through them in the hope the vibration will unstick them

timbob

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253 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Sounds like they're turning off the automatic wind sensor and letting a man monitor it. Presumably to stop a silly momentary rogue gust setting the alarm off, and having a bit of common sense over it?

jmorgan

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285 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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14:44..... and hold?

MrRee145

158 posts

164 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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New T0 14:45ish

Eric Mc

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Thursday 4th December 2014
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rhysenna said:
More powerful than Saturn V! What sort of thrust are we talking about ?
8 million pounds plus.

Back in the early 1960s, when it was assumed that they way to get to the moon was simply by fitting the Apollo Command and Service module with legs and landing it directly (what was known as Direct Ascent), Von Braun and his team proposed a monster rocket called Nova, which had EIGHT F1 engines (the Saturn V had five F1s). The Nova would have developed 12 million pounds of thrust.

Gandahar

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129 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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MartG said:
Not looking good - sounds like the valves are still frozen and they are going to try and jar them loose by pumping more fuel through them in the hope the vibration will unstick them
That's a very untechnical solution.

Have they not heard of WD40?


MartG

20,719 posts

205 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Scrubbed for today frown

Gandahar

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129 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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scrub a dub dub.... see you tomorrow