If the UK had ever been nuked...

If the UK had ever been nuked...

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tank slapper

7,949 posts

285 months

Friday 13th January 2012
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I remember the air-raid sirens local to me when I was young. There was one just round the corner to my house on top of a pole, and another a mile or so down the road. They were tested every now and then, which was a bit disconcerting when you weren't expecting it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESlAhH9pVXs

They were all removed around 1992 when the cold war infrastructure was dismantled.

There's quite a detailed overview of the system here: http://www.ringbell.co.uk/ukwmo/Page211.htm

Edited by tank slapper on Friday 13th January 17:20

RizzoTheRat

25,308 posts

194 months

Friday 13th January 2012
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tank slapper said:
There's quite a detailed overview of the system here: http://www.ringbell.co.uk/ukwmo/Page211.htm
Yep, that's what we had, it used to make pinging noises if you pressed the test lever


C3BER

4,714 posts

225 months

Friday 13th January 2012
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Zaxxon said:
I thought that the base was now used for very special training....not sure tbh, it may have been info from a mate of a mate etc.
it's used by JSIW, Joint Services Interrogation Wing. So your mate of a mate is correct. smile

C3BER

4,714 posts

225 months

Friday 13th January 2012
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Since a nuclear blast would cause so much magnetic damage there was a radio system to keep contact between agency's. It's name was MOLD and I once mended one whilst using it with a kitkat wrapper.

tank slapper

7,949 posts

285 months

Friday 13th January 2012
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C3BER said:
It's name was MOLD and I once mended one whilst using it with a kitkat wrapper.
MOULD?

C3BER

4,714 posts

225 months

Friday 13th January 2012
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That could be the one :-) . Long long time since I used it.

C3BER

4,714 posts

225 months

Friday 13th January 2012
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Very interesting reading. The mobile station was slightly smaller than a briefcase. Things have come a long way since those early days of radio defence.

JohneeBoy

503 posts

177 months

Sunday 15th January 2012
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tmk2 said:
Vieste said:
Why Newport Pagnall Service Station ? i know it is crap but ffs i lived 5 miles from that in the mid 80s/90s.
I now live 5 miles from there and have lived closer during the 80s/90s yikes
If true, could it be anything to do with Hanslope Park "Her Majesty's Government Communications Centre" (HMGCC)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMGCC

I also reckon MK sewage works is actually a secret military installation. /Joke.

Pot Bellied Fool

2,132 posts

239 months

Monday 16th January 2012
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Le TVR said:
Giant Lance was nothing more than extreme provocation on the part of Nixon and the panic that caused inside the V force in autumn of 69 has been referred to by some as 'not the RAF's finest hour'...
yikes There's not a lot of info out there on Giant Lance but one of the bits I found said This was the only moment we know of when a president decided that it made strategic sense to pretend to launch World War III.

Chuffin' Nora!! yikes

So what went on within the RAF when this escapade kicked off?

Seeker UK

1,442 posts

160 months

Monday 16th January 2012
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Pot Bellied Fool said:
So what went on within the RAF when this escapade kicked off?
Page 57 of this book at link explains a bit more:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wdM5wJlVhpcC&am...


And Post 55 here:
http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/1...

Edited by Seeker UK on Monday 16th January 09:19

Vieste

10,532 posts

162 months

Monday 16th January 2012
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JohneeBoy said:
tmk2 said:
Vieste said:
Why Newport Pagnall Service Station ? i know it is crap but ffs i lived 5 miles from that in the mid 80s/90s.
I now live 5 miles from there and have lived closer during the 80s/90s yikes
If true, could it be anything to do with Hanslope Park "Her Majesty's Government Communications Centre" (HMGCC)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMGCC

I also reckon MK sewage works is actually a secret military installation. /Joke.
Yup i know about Hanslope Park and have been down most of the sewage drains in mk smile

DoctorX

7,331 posts

169 months

Monday 16th January 2012
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This thread gives me unpleasant memories of these things. Scared the crap out of me as a kid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXx5Y2Fr2bk&fea...


Edited by DoctorX on Monday 16th January 17:17

Farmerlad

70 posts

150 months

Monday 16th January 2012
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Im pretty glad I dodnt have to live through the worst stages of the cold war. It sounds awful. I think that the best way to go would be right next door to where the bomb fell, at least that way you wouldn't have to live through the hell afterwards.

Maybe it would look something like this? (it was sunrise but I thought it was pretty cool under the nuclear bomb guise)


Seeker UK

1,442 posts

160 months

Monday 16th January 2012
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Farmerlad said:
Maybe it would look something like this?
A bit but a lot brighter. A heck of lot brighter. Evaporate your retina brighter.

Farmerlad

70 posts

150 months

Monday 16th January 2012
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Seeker UK said:
A bit but a lot brighter. A heck of lot brighter. Evaporate your retina brighter.
Definatley, somehow I dont think i would be taking a photo f it either for some reason.

jurbie

2,350 posts

203 months

Monday 16th January 2012
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JohneeBoy said:
tmk2 said:
Vieste said:
Why Newport Pagnall Service Station ? i know it is crap but ffs i lived 5 miles from that in the mid 80s/90s.
I now live 5 miles from there and have lived closer during the 80s/90s yikes
If true, could it be anything to do with Hanslope Park "Her Majesty's Government Communications Centre" (HMGCC)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMGCC

I also reckon MK sewage works is actually a secret military installation. /Joke.
There seems to be some confusion regarding the strategic nature of Newport Pagnall services. This stems from Rizzotherats earlier post which stated:

rizzotherat said:
My propulsion lecturer at uni reckoned the first place to be hit in the event of nuclear war would have been Newport Pagnall Service Station. If an ICBM was launched out of Greenham Common and the main engine failed to start, that's how far the booster that lifts it out of the silo should get it.
HTH



Brigand

2,544 posts

171 months

Tuesday 17th January 2012
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When I was a little lad in the 80's living at RAF Binbrook where my dad was based at the time, there was a lot of nuclear war exercises going on.

The air raid sirens would be tested regularly; they scared the crap out of me at the time, if I was in the garden playing then as soon as they fired up I'd start to panic, collect my toys and run into the house, much to my parents amusement!

I also have vague memories of RAF police cars driving around the married quarters, lights flashing, shouting down a tannoy system telling all the men to get onto base and prepare the Lightning jets for take off, or whatever else jobs needed doing. At least I presume that's what was going on, my memory only accounts for the police cars, flashing lights and shouting on a tannoy as they drove through the streets, so I'll presume it was to scramble the jets.

I think the air raid sirens were being tested at RAF Brize Norton when I was living there from '88 onwards, I seem to remember hearing them blasting out too.

One thing I was a little surprised to hear about is the small nuclear or fallout observation shelters that are scattered around the UK.
I'm sure you've all seen the underground reservoirs that are usually spotted by some pipes sticking out of the ground, but some of those, usually out in the sticks or on hills were small bunkers made for a couple of people to sit in and take notes of radiation readings, that sort of thing. I think someone posted a link to a page that had photos and info on them on here somewhere.

rovermorris999

5,203 posts

191 months

Tuesday 17th January 2012
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rizzotherat said:
My propulsion lecturer at uni reckoned the first place to be hit in the event of nuclear war would have been Newport Pagnall Service Station. If an ICBM was launched out of Greenham Common and the main engine failed to start, that's how far the booster that lifts it out of the silo should get it.
HTH
No ICBMs at Greenham. Only cruise missiles.

Snoggledog

7,347 posts

219 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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High Wycombe would have received a proper pasting as RAF Naphill (Strike Command) is about 2 miles away from the US airbase which apparently would relay the signal to US subs to fire.

Hooli

32,278 posts

202 months

Wednesday 18th January 2012
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Brigand said:
One thing I was a little surprised to hear about is the small nuclear or fallout observation shelters that are scattered around the UK.
I'm sure you've all seen the underground reservoirs that are usually spotted by some pipes sticking out of the ground, but some of those, usually out in the sticks or on hills were small bunkers made for a couple of people to sit in and take notes of radiation readings, that sort of thing. I think someone posted a link to a page that had photos and info on them on here somewhere.
Lots of info on those here http://www.subbrit.org.uk/