UFO Thread

[duckson]

The Wookie said:

duckson said:

The camera is static.

If it was on the camera lens then it would be in the same place on the video all the time when it isn't, I would expect?

In that case it’s clearly an Imperial Probe Droid

Could be right.

FYI the camera is on a blimp above the base.

[tuscaneer]

duckson said:

NRG1976 said:

Guvernator said:

duckson said:

What about when it entered the water and reappeared a number of minutes later and flew off at a 45deg angle?

Where's the footage of it doing that?

Apparently he doesn’t have it, but his wording reads like it was an explosive video revelation that he had seen and one which was going to change all our minds.

It's mentioned in the 3 part series.

So you've not even seen it yet are citing it as some sort of proof??? You people are comedy gold pal

[duckson]

tuscaneer said:

duckson said:

NRG1976 said:

Guvernator said:

duckson said:

What about when it entered the water and reappeared a number of minutes later and flew off at a 45deg angle?

Where's the footage of it doing that?

Apparently he doesn’t have it, but his wording reads like it was an explosive video revelation that he had seen and one which was going to change all our minds.

It's mentioned in the 3 part series.

So you've not even seen it yet are citing it as some sort of proof??? You people are comedy gold pal

I think you need to add the word 'apparently' to everything in this thread!
I was initially of the understanding the people commentating had actually seen the documentary, guess not.

What strikes me the most with this subject is the momentum that has gathered in the last 6 months, US Congress and Senate seemingly pulling in the same direction (well a numner of members from either side of the divide) and there is no smoke without fire! Interesting 2024 coming up.

[tuscaneer]

duckson said:

I think you need to add the word 'apparently' to everything in this thread!
I was initially of the understanding the people commentating had actually seen the documentary, guess not.

What strikes me the most with this subject is the momentum that has gathered in the last 6 months, US Congress and Senate seemingly pulling in the same direction (well a numner of members from either side of the divide) and there is no smoke without fire! Interesting 2024 coming up.

I'll not wait with baited breath. Of course it would be very interesting if there was some big reveal but that's not happening

[duckson]

tuscaneer said:

duckson said:

I think you need to add the word 'apparently' to everything in this thread!
I was initially of the understanding the people commentating had actually seen the documentary, guess not.

What strikes me the most with this subject is the momentum that has gathered in the last 6 months, US Congress and Senate seemingly pulling in the same direction (well a numner of members from either side of the divide) and there is no smoke without fire! Interesting 2024 coming up.

I'll not wait with baited breath. Of course it would be very interesting if there was some big reveal but that's not happening

Agreed, I think if anything it will be a slow 'drip, drip' over many years as that diminishes any sudden 'shock' factor.

[tuscaneer]

duckson said:

Agreed, I think if anything it will be a slow 'drip, drip' over many years as that diminishes any sudden 'shock' factor.

Hmmm....not sure you could ever "ease into" such a monumental reveal.....

[Mr Whippy]

NRG1976 said:

Mr Whippy said:

dukeboy749r said:

Mr Whippy said:

dukeboy749r said:

I deleted my previous post as it seemed overly disengeous but the post above. OMG.

Surely, you aren’t suggesting that travel across the vastness of Space is possible instantaneously?

And if you are, that these same creatures then present themselves in small tic tac-shaped objects?

Look, everything is theoretically possible.

The chances that it is though. Not so much.

I’m suggesting there are more options for possible explanations than you’ve had hit dinners.

So to go around like billy big bks pretending you know with near certainty that long distance travel is and always will be time consuming, is nonsense.

We simply don’t have a clue how the universe works, and what forms of life or intelligences are possible.

Well, there are a number of points I could raise with your response, but the funniest is the one I have bolded.

We do know enough about physics to determine that the vastness of Space is well just that. HUGE.

So, as much as my answer may disappoint or even infuriate you, it's a rational point and one that your assertion as to my gonads, is not going to alter.

Merry Christmas.

Yes space as measured is ‘huge’

But relative to what?

Roger Penrose suggests that the end of our universe, vast and dead with diffused energy may indeed be the next universe’s “big bang” state.

The universe is “1” unit of universe “across”, if you measure in spatial dimensions and traverse the universe using spatial offsets.


In Flat Land the 2D people exist in a space where they have to travel around things.
The 3D observers and inter-actors can avoid these obstacles and also appear to just move from one point to another.
Indeed if the scales were vastly different, the 3D person might ‘intersect’ the 2D world and appear in two distant places at the same time.

What if a 4D or higher entity exists across the entire universe, or entities have figured out how to move out of the universe proper and reappear somewhere else in it?

Or or or… the list goes on until infinity.


Our understanding of the universe is limited to what we can see/measure… and even the mathematical models we use are models matched to fit observations… which causes problems over time as we can observe in improved ways.

Ie, JWST on the large planets/accretion disc/system creation ideas, and JWST on galaxy development rates after big bang.
We’re also still trying to understand what is missing to make the universe’s matter appear the way it does… ie, large scale distribution of matter doesn’t even-out to appear diffuse.


Yet we’re here saying we know for certain that distances are big and everything will always be constrained by them.

To make that statement with authority you’d need to be certain about a great many more things than we are.

Think you’re being slightly disingenuous in relation to models, for example many Einstein theorised up front before then seeking to prove or otherwise.

We have to keep an open mind but that doesn’t mean we should completely ignore common sense.

If we ignore common sense then we can get really silly. So let’s say all the UFO sightings could be the spirit of cars which have been scrapped, and they are being driven by fairies. Do we really think there is a chance that it could be that in the absence of our ability to disprove due to lack of evidence?

If intelligent beings (inter-dimensional or otherwise) wanted to play tag with fighter jets, or steal cows , build pyramids or put on a light display, it doesn’t stand up to logic that they then haven’t revealed themselves. Unfortunately logic and intelligence do tend to go hand in hand after a while.

But you’re doing it again.

Common sense? What is that? It’s your constrained thinking and imagination to fit what you see in your perception of the universe.
It’s a heavily biased perspective.

Yes really silly. Keep using that logic to theorise and eventually you’ll end up with utterly bizarre but arguably possible explanations.

Intelligent beings? What about creatures like amoeba? Or ants? Do they need motives that ‘stack up’ with something acting with our version of intelligence?


Logic and intelligence constrain imagination, and there is likely a near infinity of options out there that that don’t fit what we know already.

One day we’ll categorise and explain it, fit it into our models and rationalise it.
But it won’t stop us being constrained in our lack of imagination to see what has been right in front of our faces all along.



I’ve often just meditated watching Maths Town fractals on YouTube.
Is our reality just a big look up table? All universes, all outcomes of every interaction just taking us down different paths?
Do we all choose our reality, and sufficient paths exist to satisfy them all?
Do we need to travel around a universe based on rules? Or can we just rationally conclude what we’d see when we got there?
Is our imagination the universe?
The more we allow ourselves to imagine the more interesting our universe becomes?
Are we each individually and as a society limiting our understanding of the universe and the very nature of it, by collectively viewing it in the way we are?

[annodomini2]

tuscaneer said:

duckson said:

Agreed, I think if anything it will be a slow 'drip, drip' over many years as that diminishes any sudden 'shock' factor.

Hmmm....not sure you could ever "ease into" such a monumental reveal.....

Finding single cellular life in other parts of the solar system would be a good start.

If other complex life exists in the solar system, show that.

Then maybe observing ET's moving around in their own solar system.

Then first contact further out in the solar system

Then here on earth.


This is why I love the film MIB, it gets it so right.

"Humans, for the most part, don't have a clue. They don't want one or need one, either. They're happy. They think they have a good bead on things."

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet."

I'm not saying they are here, but it makes a lot of sense that your "Regular Joe" as the yanks would say just wouldn't understand, panic and jump to some extreme conclusion.

I hate to think what some religious extremists would do, I mean see what the Taliban were doing, to their own countrymen, who follow mostly the same religion and they are killing them for not wanting to follow their particular flavour of the religion or accept them as their "leaders".

[Whoozit]

I'm told my grandfather had access to the UK govt official UFO files in the 60s as part of his RAF job. He was convinced there were things not explained by normal events. BUT.... We're taking about grainy film cameras from a long way away.

I'm more of the opinion that the light speed limit makes it amazingly unlikely we've been visited by ET.

[duckson]

'The Phenomenom' documentary on youtube, pretty good round up (well put together) of quite alot of older UFO related events that many have probably heard of before.

https://youtu.be/xc_fmXy949g?si=MerUenm4OQK2Q0QS

[Whoozit]

QJumper said:

If we never had sight we'd have no concept of what "visibility" was, and things could move around us not only without our knowledge, but without us even knowing we lacked that knowledge. We wouldn't even be able to build machines to see them, because we wouldn't be aware that something like sight existed. What if there were other, unknown senses?

Some creatures have extra senses we don't have, like the ability to see infrared ultraviolet wavelengths, feel electricity pulses, and feel wet. Just because humans don't have those doesn't mean we can't understand and analyse.

Human bodies can't sense gravity, or the rate of passage of time, or most of the electromagnetic spectrum, but human beings have developed ways to measure these.

If you're interested in the challenges created by missing senses, the Andy Weir book "Hail Mary" is a great read.

[NRG1976]

Mr Whippy said:

But you’re doing it again.

Common sense? What is that? It’s your constrained thinking and imagination to fit what you see in your perception of the universe.
It’s a heavily biased perspective.

Yes really silly. Keep using that logic to theorise and eventually you’ll end up with utterly bizarre but arguably possible explanations.

Intelligent beings? What about creatures like amoeba? Or ants? Do they need motives that ‘stack up’ with something acting with our version of intelligence?

But why would such lifeforms be in “metallic” spaceships with flashing lights? The whole concept of having to fly in spaceship is a human generated idea that has they been used in countless movies and embedded into the minds of the population (confirmation bias).

So if we’re ruling out anything reported as being in a spaceship as not really being a UFO, as such a form of travel would suggest intelligence and hence logic, that doesn’t leave much else that has been observed?

Yes aliens could exist, yes inter-dimensional travel could be possible, but these shiny ships with flashing lights appear to be confirmation bias.

Edited by NRG1976 on Monday 15th January 19:23

[Mr Whippy]

NRG1976 said:

Mr Whippy said:

But you’re doing it again.

Common sense? What is that? It’s your constrained thinking and imagination to fit what you see in your perception of the universe.
It’s a heavily biased perspective.

Yes really silly. Keep using that logic to theorise and eventually you’ll end up with utterly bizarre but arguably possible explanations.

Intelligent beings? What about creatures like amoeba? Or ants? Do they need motives that ‘stack up’ with something acting with our version of intelligence?

But why would such lifeforms be in “metallic” spaceships with flashing lights? The whole concept of having to fly in spaceship is a human generated idea that has they been used in countless movies and embedded into the minds of the population (confirmation bias).

So if we’re ruling out anything reported as being in a spaceship as not really being a UFO, as such a form of travel would suggest intelligence and hence logic, that doesn’t leave much else that has been observed?

Yes aliens could exist, yes inter-dimensional travel could be possible, but these shiny ships with flashing lights appear to be confirmation bias.

Edited by NRG1976 on Monday 15th January 19:23

Confirmation bias works both ways though.

Metallic is inferred from the reflection intensities.

It could be organic and interact with light in a way that looks metallic.

I have no idea but that’s the point. No one does.

[Fast and Spurious]

[QJumper]

Whoozit said:

Some creatures have extra senses we don't have, like the ability to see infrared ultraviolet wavelengths, feel electricity pulses, and feel wet. Just because humans don't have those doesn't mean we can't understand and analyse.

Human bodies can't sense gravity, or the rate of passage of time, or most of the electromagnetic spectrum, but human beings have developed ways to measure these.

If you're interested in the challenges created by missing senses, the Andy Weir book "Hail Mary" is a great read.

I wouldn't class those as extra sense, and instead just enhanced versions of the senses we already have. As such, we can measure such things because we're aware of the sense that detects them. I was more thinking along the lines of possible senses we we don't have and so can't possibly imagine.

Thanks for the tip on the book.

[duckson]

Latest episode of Weaponized is out spending a fair amount of time talking about the ‘Jellyfish’ UAP and interviewing one of the guys who was on base after the incident.
There is also another video of it but it’s at a greater distance so nothing new.

Few take aways are that the ‘something on the lense’ explanation is debunked as the thing is spinning slightly on its own axis (when you’ve zoomed right into it).
The system was unable to get a lock onto it so unlikely to be mere ‘balloons’.
When it was initially seen and recorded there was some personnel who turned up and took the recording (on disc) away, apparently this hadn’t happened before. Also the staff had to sign another NDA even though they had already signed one for being at the base (or that might of just been in general in the past as standard practice ie being a serving military employee), I don’t recall exactly).

[jonm01]

RichTT said:

Thanks, he did go into some of those things in the newer video but missed a few that were pointed out.

The shifting contrails in the stabilised IR footage is pretty damning, and the similarities in the 'portal' imagery to the other stuff.

Oh well. Was a fun idea.

The guy who's pushing this, Ashton Forbes, is still going, despite the cloud pics having been found on a stock site and the guy who took them stating exactly when and where they were taken (coming in to Japan)

He's built up a band of followers and simply won't let it go..

[Pupp]

Well, they’re now in touch with their femme side at least…

https://apple.news/A6rkzW25yQF6crjzG_lG-Iw

[Scabutz]

Pupp said:

Well, they’re now in touch with their femme side at least…

https://apple.news/A6rkzW25yQF6crjzG_lG-Iw

Today we are visiting Earth.

Are we making contact ? No the primitive Earth beings won't be able to handle it.

OK so should I turn the pink LED running lights off. Nah they look fking cool and no one will notice them.

[Fast and Spurious]

God help us!