Explain Water divining
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Ali G said:
When $1m is at stake, together with reputational loss, TV sales etc. etc. let's be clear, these are not experiments where there is dispassionate view as to the outcome.
You realise that very few have been done in front of an audience? It is taken very seriously. Could you please show us how it has been tinkered in favour of the RF? In fact, here... Can you tell us what is dubious about this test?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_qiG9PUiaQ
Edited by TheHeretic on Monday 20th February 22:32
Ali G said:
When $1m is at stake, together with reputational loss, TV sales etc. etc. let's be clear, these are not experiments where there is dispassionate view as to the outcome.
I don't know what you mean. There is no reputational loss or TV sales (?). My problem with the experiments I've read about is actually that they're not stringent enough and the odds against the participant 'succeeding' through pure chance are not great enough. What's your evidence that they're biased?carmonk said:
Ali G said:
When $1m is at stake, together with reputational loss, TV sales etc. etc. let's be clear, these are not experiments where there is dispassionate view as to the outcome.
I don't know what you mean. There is no reputational loss or TV sales (?). My problem with the experiments I've read about is actually that they're not stringent enough and the odds against the participant 'succeeding' through pure chance are not great enough. What's your evidence that they're biased?Halb said:
How does the test work? Is the water running water?
They are buggered when it is raining then. Around here I would think the chances are high in hitting water quite quickly due to the geology. And its a housing estate so there are pipes everywhere.Edit. Do the rods point up when the heavens open?
This claim.
Ali G said:
$1m says that this is not a scientific experiment in the first place!
And this one...Ali G said:
When $1m is at stake, together with reputational loss, TV sales etc. etc. let's be clear, these are not experiments where there is dispassionate view as to the outcome.
TheHeretic said:
This claim.
Seems like an irrefutable statement of fact to me!Ali G said:
$1m says that this is not a scientific experiment in the first place!
And this one...Ali G said:
When $1m is at stake, together with reputational loss, TV sales etc. etc. let's be clear, these are not experiments where there is dispassionate view as to the outcome.
Ali G said:
TheHeretic said:
This claim.
Seems like an irrefutable statement of fact to me!Ali G said:
$1m says that this is not a scientific experiment in the first place!
And this one...Ali G said:
When $1m is at stake, together with reputational loss, TV sales etc. etc. let's be clear, these are not experiments where there is dispassionate view as to the outcome.
Not interested in a test to get a million an I think what water divining I can do is only the most basic end of the art but it does happen
We must have a PH member on here with a field with a few hidden pipes ? lets have a little Pistonheads field meet an lets see what we can find and what happens ???
Im norfolk based but travel to wales very regular and a large part of southern england so anywhere in there would be ok,rather busy till the season kicks off but sure we can sort somthing out
What do you do then if science cant explain it but you see it with your own eyes ?
Its also BLOODY annoying when people who have never met you dont belive what you/other people have done ? what reason have i got to lie ???
We must have a PH member on here with a field with a few hidden pipes ? lets have a little Pistonheads field meet an lets see what we can find and what happens ???
Im norfolk based but travel to wales very regular and a large part of southern england so anywhere in there would be ok,rather busy till the season kicks off but sure we can sort somthing out
What do you do then if science cant explain it but you see it with your own eyes ?
Its also BLOODY annoying when people who have never met you dont belive what you/other people have done ? what reason have i got to lie ???
f1rob said:
Not interested in a test to get a million an I think what water divining I can do is only the most basic end of the art but it does happen
We must have a PH member on here with a field with a few hidden pipes ? lets have a little Pistonheads field meet an lets see what we can find and what happens ???
Im norfolk based but travel to wales very regular and a large part of southern england so anywhere in there would be ok,rather busy till the season kicks off but sure we can sort somthing out
What do you do then if science cant explain it but you see it with your own eyes ?
Its also BLOODY annoying when people who have never met you dont belive what you/other people have done ? what reason have i got to lie ???
Science can explain it. It's almost certainly the ideomotor effect - google it, it's fascinating. It 'works' but not for the reason you think. We must have a PH member on here with a field with a few hidden pipes ? lets have a little Pistonheads field meet an lets see what we can find and what happens ???
Im norfolk based but travel to wales very regular and a large part of southern england so anywhere in there would be ok,rather busy till the season kicks off but sure we can sort somthing out
What do you do then if science cant explain it but you see it with your own eyes ?
Its also BLOODY annoying when people who have never met you dont belive what you/other people have done ? what reason have i got to lie ???
I suspect that you don't actually believe that strongly. If I believed I had a skill which could earn me a million for maybe a day or twos effort I'd be on the phone immediately.
f1rob said:
Not interested in a test to get a million an I think what water divining I can do is only the most basic end of the art but it does happen
We must have a PH member on here with a field with a few hidden pipes ? lets have a little Pistonheads field meet an lets see what we can find and what happens ???
Im norfolk based but travel to wales very regular and a large part of southern england so anywhere in there would be ok,rather busy till the season kicks off but sure we can sort somthing out
What do you do then if science cant explain it but you see it with your own eyes ?
Its also BLOODY annoying when people who have never met you dont belive what you/other people have done ? what reason have i got to lie ???
Nobody said you're lying, although of course you might be. There are several other explanations including selective memory, conformation bias, undefined experimental goals and luck. All the evidence points to one of these. It shouldn't be annoying to see people on a forum be skeptical of a claim that they possess a supernatural ability that has never been validated by experimental test. Many dowsers have been so convinced by their 'power' they've stepped up to take the challenge but on every occasion they've failed the test, invariably with dismal results no better than chance alone.We must have a PH member on here with a field with a few hidden pipes ? lets have a little Pistonheads field meet an lets see what we can find and what happens ???
Im norfolk based but travel to wales very regular and a large part of southern england so anywhere in there would be ok,rather busy till the season kicks off but sure we can sort somthing out
What do you do then if science cant explain it but you see it with your own eyes ?
Its also BLOODY annoying when people who have never met you dont belive what you/other people have done ? what reason have i got to lie ???
f1rob said:
Not interested in a test to get a million an I think what water divining I can do is only the most basic end of the art but it does happen
We must have a PH member on here with a field with a few hidden pipes ? lets have a little Pistonheads field meet an lets see what we can find and what happens ???
Im norfolk based but travel to wales very regular and a large part of southern england so anywhere in there would be ok,rather busy till the season kicks off but sure we can sort somthing out
What do you do then if science cant explain it but you see it with your own eyes ?
Its also BLOODY annoying when people who have never met you dont belive what you/other people have done ? what reason have i got to lie ???
I don't doubt that you can detect water in fields which contain hidden pipes. But I don't think you are using paranormal abilities to do so. We must have a PH member on here with a field with a few hidden pipes ? lets have a little Pistonheads field meet an lets see what we can find and what happens ???
Im norfolk based but travel to wales very regular and a large part of southern england so anywhere in there would be ok,rather busy till the season kicks off but sure we can sort somthing out
What do you do then if science cant explain it but you see it with your own eyes ?
Its also BLOODY annoying when people who have never met you dont belive what you/other people have done ? what reason have i got to lie ???
I've got a 17 acre field with underground drainage pipes. To a townie, it would be a complete mystery as to how someone could walk into the field, grab a hazel twig, and within 5 minutes or so detect where the pipes were and which way the water would be running in them. But to anyone with a bit of countryside experience, who knows even a morsel about geography, geology, botany, and has got a reasonable eye for breaks of slope, spring lines and such, it wouldn't even take 5 minutes. I certainly wouldn't bet against you being able to quickly point out the drainage lines in my field, or spot where the water table is likely to be closest to the surface. so yes, I accept that you can dowse water. But it's not inexplicable.
I know that many dowsers honestly believe that what they are doing is using some kind of mysterious skill. But the evidence, alas, just isn't there.
This is not to say that dowsing is automatically a con - far from it. It's a very useful skill. It uses the ideomotor effect to amplify subliminal subconscious movements into useful information. But it's not woo, it's a learned skill which operates in the realm of 'unconscious competence'. What is a con is where purveyors of woo reckon that dowsing can be done remotely, or can be used to detect other stuff like cancer. That's b
ks, that is.No one is saying you lie. I have little doubt that the people that took part in the test Dawkins set up believed they could. It was just that when pointed out they were not as accurate they thought they were the interesting reactions set in.
Personally if I thought I could I would be after the million. No small amount of loot for me but we are all different.
Personally if I thought I could I would be after the million. No small amount of loot for me but we are all different.
carmonk said:
Nobody said you're lying, although of course you might be. There are several other explanations including selective memory, conformation bias, undefined experimental goals and luck. All the evidence points to one of these. It shouldn't be annoying to see people on a forum be skeptical of a claim that they possess a supernatural ability that has never been validated by experimental test. Many dowsers have been so convinced by their 'power' they've stepped up to take the challenge but on every occasion they've failed the test, invariably with dismal results no better than chance alone.
Please show me where I said I possess a supernatural ability ? I dont know what the hell it is the only thing I know is the rods do move in your handsf1rob said:
carmonk said:
Nobody said you're lying, although of course you might be. There are several other explanations including selective memory, conformation bias, undefined experimental goals and luck. All the evidence points to one of these. It shouldn't be annoying to see people on a forum be skeptical of a claim that they possess a supernatural ability that has never been validated by experimental test. Many dowsers have been so convinced by their 'power' they've stepped up to take the challenge but on every occasion they've failed the test, invariably with dismal results no better than chance alone.
Please show me where I said I possess a supernatural ability ? I dont know what the hell it is the only thing I know is the rods do move in your handsGassing Station | Science! | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff